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  1. The other day I am coming to a "T" interesection and I want to turn left, from the straight through
    road. I get into the middle of the lane and signal. Along comes this guy on a bike coming into the
    intersection , he obviously wants to turn cause his road ends, but he moves closer to the sidwalk on
    his left ... his daughter is behind him, i could see she was concerned, he made no effort to stop or
    yield . It was as if he was trying to get out of the way by moving into my lane!

    I sometimes see him and his daughter riding on the wrong side of the street. Here's my question...
    should I say something to this guy? Say something to his daughter? Step off the sidewalk infront of
    him... ? Get in my car and run him over? Get on my bike and show him how to ride?

    oh well, take care Liz

  2. In article said:

    Here's my question... should I say something to this guy? Say something to his daughter? Step off
    the sidewalk infront of him... ? Get in my car and run him over? Get on my bike and show him how
    to ride?

    The road to hell is paved with intentions. And maybe a few wrong way riders.

    I'd get out of danger's way as well as I could until it's past, even if it means getting off the
    road or parking for a moment. I'm not gonna risk my neck in a showdown with a wrong way rider, let
    alone two of 'em. Especially if there's car traffic around.

    On the road, one's own preservation comes first.

    cheers, Tom

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  3. MisNomer said:

    I sometimes see him and his daughter riding on the wrong side of the street. Here's my question...
    should I say something to this guy? Say something over? Get on my bike and show him how to ride?

    I vote you say something; be very diplomatic. You are already showing him the right way to ride and
    it's not helping.

    Remind him that automotive drivers don't look for people approaching from the right in the near lane
    when turning onto the road.

    That is, I'm pulling out of my driveway, to turn left; I look left in the near lane and right in the
    far lane, but I may not notice somebody coming at me on a bicycle from the right in the near lane,
    which is what he is doing by using the wrong side.

    In fact, that's even worse when turning right, come to think of it. I look left, and if it's clear,
    I begin to go, looking right as I drive out...

    Personally, I actually try to be aware of this issue when driving, but sometimes do forget.

    Anyway, that is what scares me the most about wrong side riding.

    Quoted message said:

    oh well, take care Liz


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    Rick Onanian

  4. "MisNomer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The other day I am coming to a "T" interesection and I want to turn left,


    from

    Quoted message said:

    the straight through road. I get into the middle of the lane and signal.


    Along

    Quoted message said:

    comes this guy on a bike coming into the intersection , he obviously wants


    to

    Quoted message said:

    turn cause his road ends, but he moves closer to the sidwalk on his left


    ... his

    Quoted message said:

    daughter is behind him, i could see she was concerned, he made no effort


    to stop

    Quoted message said:

    or yield . It was as if he was trying to get out of the way by moving into


    my

    Quoted message said:

    lane!

    I sometimes see him and his daughter riding on the wrong side of the


    street.

    Quoted message said:

    Here's my question... should I say something to this guy? Say something to


    his

    Quoted message said:

    daughter? Step off the sidewalk infront of him... ? Get in my car and


    run him

    Quoted message said:

    over? Get on my bike and show him how to ride?

    oh well, take care Liz


    I think I would greet him warmly as a fellow cyclist and let him know about a cycling advocacy group
    of which I am a member. The group publishes guidelines on safe riding, including advising against
    wrong way cycling. You could carry something similar and give it to him the next time you see him.
    If you have the time you might direct him to the section on wrong way cycling and let him know why
    it is dangerous.

    Unfortunately, some people will ignore this advice and cling to their old misconceptions. If this is
    the case, follow Tom's advice to get out of the way and pray the Lord has mercy on his soul.

    Matthew

  5. Ordinarily I wouldn't say anything, but for his daughter's sake you might want to.

    "MisNomer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The other day I am coming to a "T" interesection and I want to turn left,


    from

    Quoted message said:

    the straight through road. I get into the middle of the lane and signal.


    Along

    Quoted message said:

    comes this guy on a bike coming into the intersection , he obviously wants


    to

    Quoted message said:

    turn cause his road ends, but he moves closer to the sidwalk on his left


    ... his

    Quoted message said:

    daughter is behind him, i could see she was concerned, he made no effort


    to stop

    Quoted message said:

    or yield . It was as if he was trying to get out of the way by moving into


    my

    Quoted message said:

    lane!

    I sometimes see him and his daughter riding on the wrong side of the


    street.

    Quoted message said:

    Here's my question... should I say something to this guy? Say something to


    his

    Quoted message said:

    daughter? Step off the sidewalk infront of him... ? Get in my car and


    run him

    Quoted message said:

    over? Get on my bike and show him how to ride?

    oh well, take care Liz

  6. Rick Onanian wrote (regarding wrong way cyclists):

    Quoted message said:

    I vote you say something; be very diplomatic. You are already showing him the right way to ride
    and it's not helping.

    Remind him that automotive drivers don't look for people approaching from the right in the near
    lane when turning onto the road.

    Since I was once hit by a wrong-way cyclist, this subject always resonates with me. I agree that you
    should say something. The problem is that you usually only have a few seconds to make your pitch.
    There's no time for a lengthy dissertation.

    My standard approach is to move well out of their path, and shout, "Hey, you're riding on the wrong
    side; you're going to cause an accident." Most often I get no response. Occasionally, someone will
    offer some lame excuse. But if it makes one in a hundred change their ways, I guess it's worth it.

    Art Harris

  7. In article said:

    Since I was once hit by a wrong-way cyclist, this subject always resonates with me. I agree that
    you should say something. The problem is that you usually only have a few seconds to make your
    pitch. There's no time for a lengthy dissertation.

    My standard approach is to move well out of their path, and shout, "Hey, you're riding on the
    wrong side; you're going to cause an accident." Most often I get no response. Occasionally,
    someone will offer some lame excuse. But if it makes one in a hundred change their ways, I guess
    it's worth it.

    I believe people just get resentful and obstinate when they (we) perceive they're being told what to
    do, whether it's a suggestion to get on their own durn side of the street, or occupying their
    country to shove democracy down their throats. All too often, direct interference, even if it's
    well-intentioned, just makes matters worse. And the people we try to "change" just cling all the
    more to their behaviour. That is, when they *know* we're trying to change them. As you say, the
    other (more manipulative) approaches require lots of time.

    cheers, Tom

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  8. Tom Keats said:
    Art Harris said:

    My standard approach is to move well out of their path, and shout, "Hey, you're riding on the
    wrong side; you're going to cause an accident."

    I believe people just get resentful and obstinate when they (we) perceive they're being told
    what to do,

    Some will resent it. But some casual riders (having been taught long ago to ride facing traffic) may
    not know what's right, or may not care. When a serious cyclist points out that they're wrong, at
    least a few may consider changing their ways.

    I think it's better to say something than nothing, even if the conversion rate is low.

    Art Harris

  9. Rick Onanian <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    MisNomer said:

    I sometimes see him and his daughter riding on the wrong side of the street. Here's my
    question... should I say something to this guy? Say something over? Get on my bike and show him
    how to ride?

    I vote you say something; be very diplomatic. You are already showing him the right way to ride
    and it's not helping.

    Remind him that automotive drivers don't look for people approaching from the right in the near
    lane when turning onto the road.

    And in fact, just a few weeks ago a garbage truck was turning right, not far from where Dane lives.
    The driver didn't look for the wrong-way cyclist coming into the intersection, and sent the young
    woman to the emergency room, last I heard, in critical condition.

    Warm Regards,

    Claire Petersky ([email hidden]) Home of the meditative cyclist:
    home.earthlink.netWelcome.htm

    Books just wanna be FREE! See what I mean at: bookcrossing.comCpetersky

  10. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Tom Keats

    BIn article said:

    Since I was once hit by a wrong-way cyclist, this subject always resonates with me. I agree that
    you should say something. The problem is that you usually only have a few seconds to make your
    pitch. There's no time for a lengthy dissertation.

    My standard approach is to move well out of their path, and shout, "Hey, you're riding on the
    wrong side; you're going to cause an accident." Most often I get no response. Occasionally,
    someone will offer some lame excuse. But if it makes one in a hundred change their ways, I guess
    it's worth it.

    I believe people just get resentful and obstinate when they (we) perceive they're being told what to
    do, whether it's a suggestion to get on their own durn side of the street, or occupying their
    country to shove democracy down their throats. All too often, direct interference, even if it's
    well-intentioned, just makes matters worse. And the people we try to "change" just cling all the
    more to their behaviour. That is, when they *know* we're trying to change them. As you say, the
    other (more manipulative) approaches require lots of time.

    cheers, Tom

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    [point] bc [point] ca [/B]

    Tom's exactly right - if your goal is really to help them become better riders (and not just to yell at them for being morons) then you have to say something diplomatically and quickly; you don't have time to give them a lecture or tell them about effective cycling websites.

    I sometimes just shout "WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD, BIMBO" but when I'm in a helpful mood I say "It's safer to ride on the right." Some of them will learn and others won't, but I've never had anybody get mad at me for saying it. It helps if you say it with a little music in your voice.

    One time there were three of us in the shoulder bike lane and this poor Asian immigrant woman was coming at us on her clunker in the wrong direction - all three of us called out something or other to her and she must have thought we were some kind of biker gang because she panicked and hit the curb, fell over, and ran away scared. I've always felt bad about that.

  11. Quoted message said:

    ...when I'm in a helpful mood I say "It's safer to ride on the right." Some of them will learn and
    others won't, but I've never had anybody get mad at me for saying it. It helps if you say it with a
    little music in your voice.

    I think it's easier to reinforce good behavior than chastise bad.

    It makes my day to be able to compliment another cyclist for their good moves, and it doesn't happen
    that often. People like to give and get positive feedback in general.

    If I ride with a "bike police" attitude, I'm souring my whole experience. It's very easy to find
    examples of poor traffic handling skills where I ride. If I decide that I have a responsibility to
    modify the behavior of every cyclist I encounter, I'm putting myself in a no-win situation, IMHO.

    Truthfully, I'm just trying to get around, not wave the flag.

    I've written here about how I'm getting used to the traffic patterns and streets on my new commute
    route. The four to five lane west one way I ride across town feeds southbound lefts at several
    points. There are arrows on the pavement to indicate this.

    At the same time the left curb lane is a pick up and drop off area for delivery vans, passenger
    cars, etc. The right side is worse. The traffic is dense enough that you can't see the lane
    markings, grates, or manhole covers if you haven't been there a time or two under light traffic
    conditions.

    The good thing is that the pedestrian signals have countdown timers on them rather than the typical
    red hand and white walk symbols.

    When the clock hits zero, the yellow light goes on. Very handy.

    At some of the feeder points the turn lane is doubled. OK, that's the scenario, except that in the
    morning the traffic in the center two lanes is going balls to the wall at 30-40 mph trying to beat
    the lights (M Street between 17th and 21st for you DC types).

    Tuesday last I observe three cyclists in file lanesplit into a two lane left, minivan door pops open
    and lead cyclist merges right in front of a left turning car, second cyclist breaks right, nowhere
    to go, comes back left and just misses door, third rider cuts behind the parked minivan and comes to
    a stop at the curb.

    Total chaos. Nobody dies. I'm in the third lane over, light turns red and I stop. I can see all
    three of these folks are a little shaken up, what am I supposed to do, give them a twelve paragraph
    lecture on how not to get splattered?

    Not today, I have to get to work.

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  12. DiabloScott <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    I sometimes just shout "WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD, BIMBO" but when I'm in a helpful mood I say "It's
    safer to ride on the right." Some of them will learn and others won't, but I've never had anybody
    get mad at me for saying it. It helps if you say it with a little music in your voice.

    Did you have any particular music in mind? Somehow Gilbert and Sullivan seems right to me: It's
    safer to ride on the right, the right, It's safer to ride on the right!

    Norman Wilson Toronto ON
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  13. On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 00:54:25 GMT in rec.bicycles.misc, [email hidden] (Norman

    Wilson) said:

    DiabloScott <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    I sometimes just shout "WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD, BIMBO" but when I'm in a helpful mood I say "It's
    safer to ride on the right." Some of them will learn and others won't, but I've never had anybody
    get mad at me for saying it. It helps if you say it with a little music in your voice.



    I always say "It's legal on THIS side! You're going to cause an accident because drivers won't be
    looking for you on the wrong side!

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