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  1. @onewheeldave (and some others)

    you are right in the most points you say about the motivation of
    youtube to dislike downloads. For sure they are only in it for the
    money and this flv stuff is mot only bad for downloading, its also
    worst for editing / converting it.

    But there exist another reason for some video pages to block
    downloading the videos. In most Countries they make a difference in
    copyright laws.
    They make a difference in:

    - streaming a video once
    - streaming a video on demand
    - offer an video for downloading it

    The last one is the most expensive and therefore most Video Pages don't
    have direct download links. Even if they are totally non commercial
    like we are.

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    olarf

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  2. I'm a little unclear what point you're making and how it relates to the
    videos in question, which are non-copyright, non-sale/profit and meant
    purely to spread knowledge/inspiration to the online community (feel
    free to clarify your point).

    As I understand it, the motivation behind Youtube making downloads
    impossible is primarily because this forces viewers to return to the
    webpage where the advertising is.

    I feel the only reason YouTube etc have become popular is that they
    provide, for free, a webspace where vids can be uploaded. A secondary
    reason is that those who take advantage of the free upload space,
    often are not aware that a portion of the online community will not be
    able to access the vid.

    I dislike YouTube strongly, partly because their ethos goes aganist
    that of free exchange of information and sharing that the internet is
    so useful for: partly because I am involved with several arts like
    unicycling and poi which, in years gone by, grew and benefitted from
    the easily accessible/downloadable vids posted by enthusiasts-
    recently I'm finding that more and more of these are now being put on
    YouTube etc, so I don't get to see them.

    Despite all that however, if people do wish to use YouTube, then that
    is their choice- I accept that, for some, it's more convenient: I just
    hope that they acknowledge the other side of the coin and, where
    possible, offer, in addition to the Youtube vid, a link to a version
    which -can- be downloaded.

    Just be aware that plenty of us do not use Youtube etc, either on
    principle, or because they are not practical (for example, those not
    on broadband).
    For the spinning videos I made and uploaded for people to watch, I took
    a certain amount of pride in them- I'm happy to know that, years
    later, those vids are on peoples harddrives or burnt onto CD/DVD
    collections where they can be viewed at will.

    I certainly wouldn't feel as much pride if I'd put them on YouTube
    where, to watch them the viewer would have to be online and return to
    the page where, according to YouTubes priorites, they would be
    susceptible to buying whatever is being advertised there: and where a
    certain portion of those who would like to view the vid can't, because
    they're on dial-up.

    Where the future of the vid is entirely dependant on whether, in
    Youtubes eyes, it's commercially worthwhile to keep it on their
    server.

    And that's before we even touch upon the ease with which ad/spy/malware
    can be slipped into the various plug-ins/viewers necessary to use some
    of these sites.

    There -are- issues with simple downloadable formats like wmv/mpeg (for
    example, I used to use Divx, then found out that its compression
    advatages were ofset by the fact that many couldn't get the codec to
    work and that there seemed to be some malware issues with it)- but at
    least they're old technology, so the downsides and workarounds are
    well-known.

    But for most, a basic codec pack and an alternate viewer (media player
    classic seems to work really well and play most of the stuff that wMP
    can't) will ensure that the vast majority WMV/MPEG/AVI will play.

    --
    onewheeldave

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    But you can make the [censored] work for it."

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  3. tomkarches said:

    I
    WMV in ASF format is BAD

    --Tom

    Actually, WMV is ASF... The Nautilus file manager in Linux used to
    complain everytime I tried playing a .wmv that it was actually an asf
    file... the file extension didn't match the content, was I sure I
    wanted to open the file? Renaming the file with a .asf extension fixed
    it.

    --
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    its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will
    remain.

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  4. @ onewheeldave:

    The copyright situation for videos like we used to see in the unicycle
    scene and also from jugglers, skaters, bmxer .... is not clear for
    now.
    Therefore people take care what they do.
    YOUTUBE is totaly different and I agree to 100% that they are only in
    it to make money and that all people should stop uploading their stuff
    to youtube.

    I just want to point out that not always a download is blocked for
    commercial reasons, it could be also for self perotection.

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