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  1. Last weekend I decided that my chain was grinding too much as I hadn't
    cleaned it since it was new. Got the bike (Specialized Hardrock Comp Disk)
    last June. Cleaned the chain and and sprockets with Simple green and a
    brush then lightly hosed off the excess. I lubed my chain with some purple
    stuff (forgot the name) that I got at the LBS. I also shot a little around
    the derailer and in the bearings. The noise from the chain has
    significantly improved and seems to be running quite well except now the
    rear gears jump from 3rd to 4th no matter which front gear I'm running. I
    didn't change any adjustments....I swear. What is wrong? I am reluctant to
    make any adjustments but live over 100 miles from the LBS so I might have
    too. Any advice or good web sites that may guide me through adjustments?

    Any help appreciated

    Tom

  2. tommyboy said:

    Last weekend I decided that my chain was grinding too much as I hadn't
    cleaned it since it was new. Got the bike (Specialized Hardrock Comp Disk)
    last June. Cleaned the chain and and sprockets with Simple green and a
    brush then lightly hosed off the excess. I lubed my chain with some purple
    stuff (forgot the name) that I got at the LBS. I also shot a little around
    the derailer and in the bearings. The noise from the chain has
    significantly improved and seems to be running quite well except now the
    rear gears jump from 3rd to 4th no matter which front gear I'm running. I
    didn't change any adjustments....I swear. What is wrong? I am reluctant to
    make any adjustments but live over 100 miles from the LBS so I might have
    too. Any advice or good web sites that may guide me through adjustments?

    Any help appreciated

    Tom

    Don't be afraid to jump in, Tom. If you can approach this sort of thing
    logically and arm yourself with good advice, I'm sure you can do what
    you need to here.

    A very useful page: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/derailer-adjustment.html

    You likely did change some adjustment, by simply using the bike. Things
    always slowly change as they wear: cable housing seating, pivot pins,
    etc. Most likely all you need to do is turn the index adjusting barrel
    at either end of the cable.

    Good luck.

    Ted

    --
    Ted Bennett

  3. tommyboy said:

    didn't change any adjustments....I swear. What is wrong? I am reluctant to
    make any adjustments but live over 100 miles from the LBS so I might have
    too. Any advice or good web sites that may guide me through adjustments?

    If you live that far from a bike shop, you need to know how to fix your
    own bike. As far as adjustments of the derailleur go, it's largely a
    trial-and-error thing. Use a stand if you have one, and adjust the
    tension on the cable until it shifts perfectly on the stand. Then go
    riding, and if needed adjust it again. You can adjust the cable tension
    while riding, by twisting the barrel adjusters on the downtube.

    --

    David L. Johnson

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  4. "tommyboy" wrote: (clip) Any help appreciated
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    It shifts from 3rd to 4th on its own? IOW, to a taller gear? You may just
    need slightly more cable tension. Give the adjuster, maybe, from 1/8 to 1/4
    turn and see whether it helps. If you are careful to turn it a known
    amount, you can return it if you don't like the outcome. If you turn it too
    much, you may start to affect the shifting in gears that are working okay
    now.

  5. Thanks guys. I'm going to jump in tonight and give it a go. Strong
    thunderstorms predicted here this evening so don't know if I'll get a road
    test in or not.

    Tom
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    Last weekend I decided that my chain was grinding too much as I hadn't
    cleaned it since it was new. Got the bike (Specialized Hardrock Comp
    Disk) last June. Cleaned the chain and and sprockets with Simple green
    and a brush then lightly hosed off the excess. I lubed my chain with some
    purple stuff (forgot the name) that I got at the LBS. I also shot a
    little around the derailer and in the bearings. The noise from the chain
    has significantly improved and seems to be running quite well except now
    the rear gears jump from 3rd to 4th no matter which front gear I'm
    running. I didn't change any adjustments....I swear. What is wrong? I
    am reluctant to make any adjustments but live over 100 miles from the LBS
    so I might have too. Any advice or good web sites that may guide me
    through adjustments?

    Any help appreciated

    Tom

  6. tommyboy said:

    Last weekend I decided that my chain was grinding too much as I hadn't
    cleaned it since it was new. Got the bike (Specialized Hardrock Comp Disk)
    last June. Cleaned the chain and and sprockets with Simple green and a
    brush then lightly hosed off the excess. I lubed my chain with some purple
    stuff (forgot the name) that I got at the LBS. I also shot a little around
    the derailer and in the bearings. The noise from the chain has
    significantly improved and seems to be running quite well except now the
    rear gears jump from 3rd to 4th no matter which front gear I'm running. I
    didn't change any adjustments....I swear. What is wrong? I am reluctant to
    make any adjustments but live over 100 miles from the LBS so I might have
    too. Any advice or good web sites that may guide me through adjustments?

    Any help appreciated

    Tom

    If you've been riding the bike a lot (more than 1500 miles) since you
    bought it you may need to get a new chain and cassette. You'll be
    amazed how a dirty chain and cassette can work together seamlessly for
    ages and it's the cleaning that exposes that they're worn out. Plus if
    the chain has been 'grinding' for a while you may have shark toothed
    your 3rd and 4th gears on the cassette.

    Laters,

    Marz

  7. I wondered about that. Sure hope that's not the case. I have about 500
    miles on the bike and it isn't as if I'ver never lubed the chain. I have a
    couple of times but never did a really good cleaning.

    Thanks

    Tom
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    tommyboy said:

    Last weekend I decided that my chain was grinding too much as I hadn't
    cleaned it since it was new. Got the bike (Specialized Hardrock Comp
    Disk)
    last June. Cleaned the chain and and sprockets with Simple green and a
    brush then lightly hosed off the excess. I lubed my chain with some
    purple
    stuff (forgot the name) that I got at the LBS. I also shot a little
    around
    the derailer and in the bearings. The noise from the chain has
    significantly improved and seems to be running quite well except now the
    rear gears jump from 3rd to 4th no matter which front gear I'm running.
    I
    didn't change any adjustments....I swear. What is wrong? I am reluctant
    to
    make any adjustments but live over 100 miles from the LBS so I might have
    too. Any advice or good web sites that may guide me through adjustments?

    Any help appreciated

    Tom

    If you've been riding the bike a lot (more than 1500 miles) since you
    bought it you may need to get a new chain and cassette. You'll be
    amazed how a dirty chain and cassette can work together seamlessly for
    ages and it's the cleaning that exposes that they're worn out. Plus if
    the chain has been 'grinding' for a while you may have shark toothed
    your 3rd and 4th gears on the cassette.

    Laters,

    Marz

  8. tommyboy said:

    I wondered about that. Sure hope that's not the case. I have about 500
    miles on the bike and it isn't as if I'ver never lubed the chain. I have a
    couple of times but never did a really good cleaning.

    Thanks

    Then it's probably the gear cable settling into it's outer cable
    housing. If you give the cable adjuster on the rear derailleur a couple
    of tweaks anti clockwise you should fix the problem. Try a quarter turn
    and then ride the bike, if the chain still jumps try another quarter
    turn. Don't turn it too far, you want the chain to just sit in the
    right gear. After you're happy that it's not jumping between 3rd and
    4th make sure you can still shift down to the smallest cog and back up
    to 1st. As other folks have said, by reading this site
    http://sheldonbrown.com/derailer-adjustment.html you can't go far
    wrong.

    Laters,

    Marz

  9. If you ride the bike alot and you haven't cleaned the drivetrain, you
    may not be jumping cogs as much as skipping cogs. As the drivetrain
    wears, the chain can actually skip over the teeth. I'd start out with a
    new chain and new cassette.

    In the meantime, the best way to set up the shifting is to leave the
    front in the middle chainring, then set the rearr to the smallest cog.
    There really is no better way to learn how to fix you bike that just
    doing it.

    (I hate to have to have to say this, but make sure you're turning the
    pedals while shifting)

    Shift up to the next cog. If it doesn't make it shift back down on give
    one of the barrel adjusters one _full_ turn OUT. Then shift up again.
    Repeat until the shift up is successful.

    Once the up shift works, make sure it still shifts down ok. If, in the
    2nd smallest cog, the chain does not fully down shift to the smallest
    cog, turn the barrell adjuster one _half_ turn IN. Shift up to #2, then
    back to #1 and adjust the barrel 1/4 turn (or less) either way to
    accomplish a crisp shift going one up and one down. When this works,
    start working your way up the gears. As you get towards the big cogs,
    you'll probably find that the shift either does not complete or is
    noisy after the shift. Stay in the offending gear, shifting one cog
    back and forth and adjusting the barrel 1/8 turn or less either way
    until the shift completes.

    When the shifting works at the big cog to 2nd biggest cog, go back to
    the small cogs ad start over again. If the drive train is as worn as it
    sounds, you'll most likely endup with a noisy shift at one end of the
    range no matter what you do (because of excessively worn sideplates and
    shifting ramps). You have to comprimise and balance it out.

    Once you get the new chain and cassette, following the above process
    and it shift completely and smoothly no matter where you are in the
    range and no matter how many cogs you shift up or down.

  10. Hey guys:

    Took the bike out today and made the adjustments that you suggested and
    really helped. I think I really close. Really appreciate all your help.

    Tom

    "tommyboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Last weekend I decided that my chain was grinding too much as I hadn't
    cleaned it since it was new. Got the bike (Specialized Hardrock Comp
    Disk) last June. Cleaned the chain and and sprockets with Simple green
    and a brush then lightly hosed off the excess. I lubed my chain with some
    purple stuff (forgot the name) that I got at the LBS. I also shot a
    little around the derailer and in the bearings. The noise from the chain
    has significantly improved and seems to be running quite well except now
    the rear gears jump from 3rd to 4th no matter which front gear I'm
    running. I didn't change any adjustments....I swear. What is wrong? I
    am reluctant to make any adjustments but live over 100 miles from the LBS
    so I might have too. Any advice or good web sites that may guide me
    through adjustments?

    Any help appreciated

    Tom

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