What Tandem, Then?

Not Responding said:

My offspring are at the stage where they are too big for bike seats or the trailer but not really
to be trusted to ride their own bikes on the road. In order that the now traditional summer family
rides can be maintained, I am thinking of getting a child-back sized tandem.

Is Thorn the only way to go or are there other options? Anyone have any experience of the
Thorn range?

You may want to consider modifying a normal tandem rather than using a kiddyback. Ours started on a
modified normal tandem when they were five and we've been able to keep the same tandem as they've
moved to teenagerdom. Depending on child size/parent size you may need kiddycranks and swept back
stoker bars but otherwise start with crank shorteners and a low profile saddle in its lowest
position. Then as they get older you can move to crankshorteners to normal tandem. The kiddycranks
if you need them are a bit expensive but much cheaper than having to sell a kiddyback tandem to get
the next size up. If you need crankshorteners I've got a couple of sets surplus to requirement now
sitting in the garage.

For tandems also have a look at the KHS range (excellent value and come in 20 x 16 which is ideal
for adapting for kids) and Dawes

Tony

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Not Responding said:

My offspring are at the stage where they are too big for bike seats or the trailer but not really
to be trusted to ride their own bikes on the road. In order that the now traditional summer family
rides can be maintained, I am thinking of getting a child-back sized tandem.

We have brought up our children through the trailer/tandem/solo route and it has proved perfect. but
I wouldn't go for a kiddie back tandem.

An alternative is to fit kiddie cranks, together with a rear stem extension and perhaps upright
bars, to a normal tandem.

Our children have all ridden this way from about 3 and a half years old and the cranks can be
adjusted downwards as the child grows, whereas a kiddie back tandem just becomes too small without
introducing enormous seatposts etc.

The kiddie-back designs we have occasonally tried also all seem to have a lot more whip in
the frames.

Be careful though, as choice of frame is important for kiddie cranks. Some tandems have an awkward
diagonal tube intersecting the seat tube which can either prevent fitting, or reduce the possible
future adjusment.

Quoted message said:

Is Thorn the only way to go or are there other options?

Contact the Tandem Club. There are usually tandems for sale, sometimes with fittings already
attached. There is also a useful spares service. tandem-club.org.uktandem-club.org.ukOpen ↗

Quoted message said:

Anyone have any experience of the Thorn range?

No first hand experience, but I've been put off by various reports.

John Buckley

Not Responding said:

My offspring are at the stage where they are too big for bike seats or the trailer but not really
to be trusted to ride their own bikes on the road. In order that the now traditional summer family
rides can be maintained, I am thinking of getting a child-back sized tandem. Is Thorn the only way
to go or are there other options? Anyone have any experience of the Thorn range?

Not the only ones by a long way - we're also checking out Orbit, Dawes, Bike Friday (in case we win
the lottery), KHS and anything else which the tandem list mentions in passing. If you like I could
get the wife to email you the list she's been building.

But the Thorn does look quite well sorted (as does the Dawes, of course - you can't go wrong with
Dawes is my motto). Try before you buy I guess - that's what we're doing this year anyway :-) The
Bike Friday is better than good. Really brilliant bike, but two grand is a lot of money (said the
man who paid that much for a recumbent).

All should have a healthy resale potential.

Guy
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Quoted message said:

In order that the now traditional summer family rides can be maintained, I am thinking of getting
a child-back sized tandem.

Try Mission at www.missioncycles.co.uk. I have 5 which I bought for hiring about this time last year
- probably the best hiring tandems which I have ever had. Expect to pay about £600-00 for a new one.
If you require any further info. send me an email.

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Quoted message said:

Not the only ones by a long way - we're also checking out Orbit,

The Orbit is vastly superior to the Orbita - IMVHO

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John B said:

Not Responding said:

My offspring are at the stage where they are too big for bike seats or the trailer but not really
to be trusted to ride their own bikes on the road. In order that the now traditional summer
family rides can be maintained, I am thinking of getting a child-back sized tandem.

We have brought up our children through the trailer/tandem/solo route and it has proved perfect.
but I wouldn't go for a kiddie back tandem.

An alternative is to fit kiddie cranks, together with a rear stem extension and perhaps upright
bars, to a normal tandem.

Don't they sell "child adapters" in the UK? These consist of a bottom bracket shell, bottom bracket
and small size crankset, made to bolt onto the seat tube of a tandem at a convenient height for a
child. The one I used back in the mid 1970s was custom made for me by the folks at Bud's Bike Shop
in Claremont CA - I bought the bike from a young fellow named Bill McCready, who later went on to
found Santana Cycles. Mine bolted onto the rear seat tube with muffler clamps, but the latest ones
are very well made, are easy to fit and remove, and do not damage the bike.

Quoted message said:

Our children have all ridden this way from about 3 and a half years old and the cranks can be
adjusted downwards as the child grows, whereas a kiddie back tandem just becomes too small without
introducing enormous seatposts etc.

Yes, you can adjust the kidback adapter downward, until at some point you can simply remove it. You
can also switch back and forth between a child stoker and a full sized one with the latest adapters.
With mine, it was a permanent commitment.

Quoted message said:

Be careful though, as choice of frame is important for kiddie cranks. Some tandems have an awkward
diagonal tube intersecting the seat tube which can either prevent fitting, or reduce the possible
future adjusment.

The "marathon" design is seldom encountered any more. It was much more expensive to make and harsher
on the stoker than the direct lateral design, which seems to be about the only type found on newer
tandems. With the direct lateral, the diagonal tube joins the back of the bike at the stoker's
bottom bracket -- perfect for kidback adapter use.

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Quoted message said:

Not the only ones by a long way - we're also checking out Orbit,

The Orbit is vastly superior to the Orbita - IMVHO

Well yes.... cheapest orbit 600+ but they have cut corners on some components (esp wheels). They do
some gooduns.

The orbita should be available at 400 quid. Its got SIS and stuff and seems to be similar quality to
a cheapo mtb. Having said that some of the bargain ones might be OK for a bit of family cycling.

Steve Palincsar said:

John B said:

Not Responding said:

My offspring are at the stage where they are too big for bike seats or the trailer but not
really to be trusted to ride their own bikes on the road. In order that the now traditional
summer family rides can be maintained, I am thinking of getting a child-back sized tandem.

We have brought up our children through the trailer/tandem/solo route and it has proved perfect.
but I wouldn't go for a kiddie back tandem.

An alternative is to fit kiddie cranks, together with a rear stem extension and perhaps upright
bars, to a normal tandem.

Don't they sell "child adapters" in the UK? These consist of a bottom bracket shell, bottom
bracket and small size crankset, made to bolt onto the seat tube of a tandem at a convenient
height for a child.

This is *exactly* what I am recommending. In the UK they are known as 'Kiddie-cranks'.

A case of different terminology across the Atlantic.

John Buckley

John B said:

Steve Palincsar said:

John B said:

"[Not Responding]" wrote:

> My offspring are at the stage where they are too big for bike seats or the trailer but not
> really to be trusted to ride their own bikes on the road. In order that the now traditional
> summer family rides can be maintained, I am thinking of getting a child-back sized tandem.

We have brought up our children through the trailer/tandem/solo route and it has proved
perfect. but I wouldn't go for a kiddie back tandem.

An alternative is to fit kiddie cranks, together with a rear stem extension and perhaps upright
bars, to a normal tandem.

Don't they sell "child adapters" in the UK? These consist of a bottom bracket shell, bottom
bracket and small size crankset, made to bolt onto the seat tube of a tandem at a convenient
height for a child.

This is *exactly* what I am recommending. In the UK they are known as 'Kiddie-cranks'.

A case of different terminology across the Atlantic.

Thank you. Bitten again.

In case there's any doubt about this, let me say riding with a small child on a tandem is the most
fun you can have on two wheels. It is also very special in that I can think of no other activity a
parent can do with a child where the child is an equal member of the team.

It's worth whatever it costs, and then some.

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In case there's any doubt about this, let me say riding with a small child on a tandem is the most
fun you can have on two wheels.

You've not heard of unicycle shagging, then?

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Quoted message said:

In case there's any doubt about this, let me say riding with a small child on a tandem is the most
fun you can have on two wheels.

You've not heard of unicycle shagging, then?

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about it perhaps you could think when we talk of bicycles, that you see them printing their proud
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Guy responded to:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In case there's any doubt about this, let me say riding with a small child on a tandem is the
most fun you can have on two wheels.

with:

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You've not heard of unicycle shagging, then?

Ahem, let's ignore the bit about small children, but I've never actually worked out a way to do that
with 2 unicycles (the saddles would get in the way - actually typing this I've just worked out a way
to do it, but it's way beyond my skills). I'm pretty sure I could manage it with both participants
on one unicycle, but I've never found a woman willing to try it - and now my wife won't even let me
try to find one :-(

BTW, this is commonly referred to on uk.rec.cycling as "level 11", following a thread a few months
ago about extending the International Unicycling Federation's 10 skill levels:
unicycling.orgskills.htmlOpen ↗ (FWIW, I'd probably be level 4 if I could be
bothered to get tested).

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Danny Colyer said:

Ahem, let's ignore the bit about small children, but I've never actually worked out a way to do
that with 2 unicycles (the saddles would get in the way - actually typing this I've just worked
out a way to do it, but it's way beyond my skills). I'm pretty sure I could manage it with both
participants on one unicycle, but I've never found a woman willing to try it - and now my wife
won't even let me try to find one :-(

BTW, this is commonly referred to on uk.rec.cycling as "level 11", following a thread a few months
ago about extending the International Unicycling Federation's 10 skill levels:
unicycling.orgskills.htmlOpen ↗ (FWIW, I'd probably be level 4 if I could
be bothered to get tested).

Surely dancing to American Beach Music on a Unicycle can't be that difficult ;-)

Tony

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