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Anth said:

Translation : I can't be arsed reading your book.

Why should I bother reading a spammer's book?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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<[email hidden]>, Peter

Blackman said:

David what is your problem? You sound frustrated.

I'm only frustrated by people like you, who use something
I wrote to launch into a completely unrelated tirade. In
your case, your tirade is intended to push people into
reading your book.

I don't "sound frustrated" in my posting you quoted.
That's just your imagination.

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Michele said:

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In article <[email hidden]>, Anth

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Kaposi's sarcoma is an depleted immune system cancer.

It's also caused by a virus, which is not true of most
cancers. (Cervical cancer is another.)

Try again.

Indeed, the occurence of Kaposi's sarcoma in patients with
HIV/AIDS was one of the red flags that had docs baffled
when AIDS was still a complete mystery 25 years ago -- it
is a cancer that used to be found in a far different
demographic group than the folks who were coming in to MD
offices with it.

Yep -- in the pre-AIDS days, Kaposi's was quite rare. In
fact, my uncle, who was a doctor, told me he passed his
dermatology class by identifying a case of Kaposi's. The
patient, if I remember this right, was an elderly man
from the north of Italy (a region where Kaposi's was
relatively common).

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Maybe there's truth in there? Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>, Anth

Quoted message said:

Translation : I can't be arsed reading your book.

Why should I bother reading a spammer's book?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article
<[email hidden]>, Peter
Blackman <[email hidden]> wrote:
>David what is your problem? You sound frustrated.

I'm only frustrated by people like you, who use
something I wrote to launch into a completely unrelated
tirade. In your case, your tirade is intended to push
people into reading your book.

I don't "sound frustrated" in my posting you quoted.
That's just your imagination.

So you admit cancer rates are on the increase thank you.
Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>, Anth

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Yes I have - I responded to Jan's post, and yes cancer
rates are

increasing

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in the younger generation also - go look it up - the
information is

there..

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Ignore all you wish.

As the BBC web story pointed out, yes, pediatric cancer
rates have been rising very slowly.

You then assert that this is due to "weakened immune
systems." In fact, nobody knows what's causing it.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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In article <[email hidden]>, Anth
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>By the same reasoning diabetes is caused by high blood
>sugars. The other argument about intelligent design
>invokes Occam's razor

You're still putting the cart before the horse, Anth.
You haven't shown that cancers are generally rising and
you haven't shown that any rise in cancers is due to
the "weakened immune systems" of the people getting the
cancers. You're basically assuming your conclusion and
then claiming you've proved something.

And since you didn't quote any material relating to
intelligent design, I'm going to ignore you on that
point.

(re-post for lazy liars)

Immunity and Cancer When normal cells turn into cancer
cells, some of the antigens on their surface change.

These new or altered antigens flag immune defenders,
including cytotoxic T cells, natural killer cells, and
macrophages. According to one theory, patrolling cells of
the immune system provide continuing bodywide surveillance,
spying out and eliminating cells that undergo malignant
transformation. Tumors develop when the surveillance system
breaks down or is overwhelmed.

research.vt.educancer97.htmlOpen ↗
Recently, it was discovered that Mfs help regulate
infections and tumors through the production of interleukin
(IL)-12, a vital communication molecule between Mfs and
other immune cells. What if Mfs don't produce enough IL-12?
Elgert's research has demonstrated that Mfs in animals with
tumors make less IL-12.

In addition, the researchers have discovered that the impact
is not just limited to the tumor, but the immune system
throughout the body is compromised, Elgert says.

Cancer is a compromised immune system (Elgert)

David you are wrong about 2 things
(1) Cancer rates are on the increase (at an alarming rate
amoungst the younger population also)
(2) Cancer is the result of a weaked immune system.

Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>, Anth

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Yes I have - I responded to Jan's post, and yes cancer
rates are

increasing

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Quoted message said:

in the younger generation also - go look it up - the
information is

there..

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Ignore all you wish.

As the BBC web story pointed out, yes, pediatric cancer
rates have been rising very slowly.

You then assert that this is due to "weakened immune
systems." In fact, nobody knows what's causing it.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>, Anth
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>By the same reasoning diabetes is caused by high blood
>sugars. The other argument about intelligent design
>invokes Occam's razor

You're still putting the cart before the horse, Anth.
You haven't shown that cancers are generally rising and
you haven't shown that any rise in cancers is due to
the "weakened immune systems" of the people getting the
cancers. You're basically assuming your conclusion and
then claiming you've proved something.

And since you didn't quote any material relating to
intelligent design, I'm going to ignore you on that
point.

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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So you admit cancer rates are on the increase thank you.

Idiot. He admit's no such thing in then way you mean. You
are using, by selective citation, indefensible
interpretations of his posts. You are an intellectually
dishonest non-combatant with nothing to say.

"To criticize is to volunteer." - A. Schwartz

Le M.

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Anth

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>, Anth

Quoted message said:

Yes I have - I responded to Jan's post, and yes cancer
rates are

increasing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in the younger generation also - go look it up - the
information is

there..

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Ignore all you wish.

As the BBC web story pointed out, yes, pediatric cancer
rates have been rising very slowly.

You then assert that this is due to "weakened immune
systems." In fact, nobody knows what's causing it.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are
my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because
giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson,
MIT)

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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> In article <[email hidden]>, Anth
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >By the same reasoning diabetes is caused by high
> >blood sugars. The other argument about intelligent
> >design invokes Occam's razor
>
> You're still putting the cart before the horse, Anth.
> You haven't shown that cancers are generally rising
> and you haven't shown that any rise in cancers is due
> to the "weakened immune systems" of the people
> getting the cancers. You're basically assuming your
> conclusion and then claiming you've proved something.
>
> And since you didn't quote any material relating to
> intelligent design, I'm going to ignore you on that
> point.

You're an idiot asehole, all you can do is yell at people
and call people names Anth

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"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QPWdnUYUuco2gePdRVn-
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So you admit cancer rates are on the increase thank you.

Idiot. He admit's no such thing in then way you mean. You
are using, by selective citation, indefensible
interpretations of his posts. You are an intellectually
dishonest non-combatant with nothing to say.

"To criticize is to volunteer." - A. Schwartz

Le M.

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Anth

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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In article <[email hidden]>, Anth
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>Yes I have - I responded to Jan's post, and yes
>cancer rates are

increasing

Quoted message said:

>in the younger generation also - go look it up - the
>information is

there..

Quoted message said:

>Ignore all you wish.

As the BBC web story pointed out, yes, pediatric
cancer rates have been rising very slowly.

You then assert that this is due to "weakened immune
systems." In fact, nobody knows what's causing it.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These
are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is
because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal
Abelson, MIT)

>"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>message
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>> In article <[email hidden]>,
>> Anth <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >By the same reasoning diabetes is caused by high
>> >blood sugars. The other argument about intelligent
>> >design invokes Occam's razor
>>
>> You're still putting the cart before the horse,
>> Anth. You haven't shown that cancers are generally
>> rising and you haven't shown that any rise in
>> cancers is due to the "weakened immune systems" of
>> the people getting the cancers. You're basically
>> assuming your conclusion and then claiming you've
>> proved something.
>>
>> And since you didn't quote any material relating to
>> intelligent design, I'm going to ignore you on that
>> point.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Maybe there's truth in there?

Like I'm going to go register on a spammer's web site
to find out.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>, Anth

Quoted message said:

Translation : I can't be arsed reading your book.

Why should I bother reading a spammer's book?

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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> In article
> <[email hidden]>,
> Peter Blackman <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >David what is your problem? You sound frustrated.
>
> I'm only frustrated by people like you, who use
> something I wrote to launch into a completely
> unrelated tirade. In your case, your tirade is
> intended to push people into reading your book.
>
> I don't "sound frustrated" in my posting you quoted.
> That's just your imagination.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

So you admit cancer rates are on the increase thank you.

Yeah -- and you are still about 500 km from proving that it
has anything whatever to do with "weakened immune systems."

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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In article <[email hidden]>, Anth

Quoted message said:

Yes I have - I responded to Jan's post, and yes cancer
rates are

increasing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in the younger generation also - go look it up - the
information is

there..

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Ignore all you wish.

As the BBC web story pointed out, yes, pediatric cancer
rates have been rising very slowly.

You then assert that this is due to "weakened immune
systems." In fact, nobody knows what's causing it.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These
are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is
because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal
Abelson, MIT)

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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message
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> In article <[email hidden]>, Anth
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >By the same reasoning diabetes is caused by high
> >blood sugars. The other argument about intelligent
> >design invokes Occam's razor
>
> You're still putting the cart before the horse, Anth.
> You haven't shown that cancers are generally rising
> and you haven't shown that any rise in cancers is due
> to the "weakened immune systems" of the people getting
> the cancers. You're basically assuming your conclusion
> and then claiming you've proved something.
>
> And since you didn't quote any material relating to
> intelligent design, I'm going to ignore you on that
> point.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

(re-post for lazy liars)

Immunity and Cancer When normal cells turn into cancer
cells, some of the antigens on their surface change.

These new or altered antigens flag immune defenders,
including cytotoxic T cells, natural killer cells, and
macrophages. According to one theory, patrolling cells of
the immune system provide continuing bodywide surveillance,
spying out and eliminating cells that undergo malignant
transformation. Tumors develop when the surveillance system
breaks down or is overwhelmed.

research.vt.educancer97.htmlOpen ↗
Recently, it was discovered that Mfs help regulate
infections and tumors through the production of interleukin
(IL)-12, a vital communication molecule between Mfs and
other immune cells. What if Mfs don't produce enough IL-12?
Elgert's research has demonstrated that Mfs in animals with
tumors make less IL-12.

In addition, the researchers have discovered that the
impact is not just limited to the tumor, but the immune
system throughout the body is compromised, Elgert says.

Cancer is a compromised immune system (Elgert)

David you are wrong about 2 things
(1) Cancer rates are on the increase (at an alarming rate
amoungst the younger population also)

I have conceded this. But what's interesting is that it's
not all types of cancers, just some. Which is odd.

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(2) Cancer is the result of a weaked immune system.

Sorry, Anth, but you haven't shown this. It's just one
theory.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Anth

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>, Anth

Quoted message said:

Yes I have - I responded to Jan's post, and yes cancer
rates are

increasing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in the younger generation also - go look it up - the
information is

there..

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Ignore all you wish.

As the BBC web story pointed out, yes, pediatric cancer
rates have been rising very slowly.

You then assert that this is due to "weakened immune
systems." In fact, nobody knows what's causing it.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These
are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is
because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal
Abelson, MIT)

Quoted message said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message
"]news:[email hidden]...
> In article <[email hidden]>, Anth
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >By the same reasoning diabetes is caused by high
> >blood sugars. The other argument about intelligent
> >design invokes Occam's razor
>
> You're still putting the cart before the horse, Anth.
> You haven't shown that cancers are generally rising
> and you haven't shown that any rise in cancers is due
> to the "weakened immune systems" of the people getting
> the cancers. You're basically assuming your conclusion
> and then claiming you've proved something.
>
> And since you didn't quote any material relating to
> intelligent design, I'm going to ignore you on that
> point.