What say now Roche?

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As much as I liked him as a rider, what do you have to say about Tyler Hamilton now Stephen Roche?

Will be nice to hear about Roche eating crow. Roche wasn't half the racer Tyler is.

-Ken

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As much as I liked him as a rider, what do you have to say about Tyler Hamilton now Stephen Roche?

I saw a quote attributed to Roche today after Tyler's win. "It turns my stomach."

-WG

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As much as I liked him as a rider, what do you have to say about Tyler Hamilton now Stephen
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Will be nice to hear about Roche eating crow. Roche wasn't half the racer Tyler is.

-Ken

Why would he eat crow? He's doing great at his job now!

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As much as I liked him as a rider, what do you have to say about Tyler Hamilton now Stephen
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Will be nice to hear about Roche eating crow. Roche wasn't half the racer Tyler is.

-Ken

OK...how do you figure?

Roche was complaining about perception. Nothing he said had anything to do with how well or poorly
Tyler was expected to race.

Roche accomplished more in 1987 than Tyler has his whole career. Tyler seems to be a great character
but I don't see how anyone can argue that Tyler can compete with Roche's palmares. Roches remarks
had no impact on his race history, just the way people will think of him.

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As much as I liked him as a rider, what do you have to say about Tyler Hamilton now Stephen
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Will be nice to hear about Roche eating crow. Roche wasn't half the racer Tyler is.

-Ken

Obviously you have no idea of Roche's accomplishments so I will leave you in peace

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As much as I liked him as a rider, what do you have to say about Tyler Hamilton now Stephen
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Will be nice to hear about Roche eating crow. Roche wasn't half the racer Tyler is.

-Ken

Why would he eat crow? He's doing great at his job now!

MY BAD!!!! I WAS THINKING OF BIERNE RIIS (sp?)

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As much as I liked him as a rider, what do you have to say about Tyler Hamilton now Stephen
Roche?

Will be nice to hear about Roche eating crow. Roche wasn't half the racer Tyler is.

-Ken

OK...how do you figure?

Roche was complaining about perception. Nothing he said had anything to do with how well or poorly
Tyler was expected to race.

That's true. But Roche was downright asinine on his comments towards Tyler's continued racing after
that bad crash.

What the hell does Roche know about Tyler's drive & ambition? Your pro career is too short to have
most of a year taken away and quitting because of a Stage One (predictable) pile-up.

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Roche accomplished more in 1987 than Tyler has his whole career. Tyler seems to be a great
character but I don't see how anyone can argue that Tyler can compete with Roche's palmares.
Roches remarks had no impact on his race history, just the way people will think of him.

Roche had great palmares, better than the vast majority who race. He should have known better than
to speak/emote stupidly on Tyler Hamilton.

What Tyler has done is GOOD for the Tour in the long run.

-Ken

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That's true. But Roche was downright asinine on his comments towards Tyler's continued racing
after that bad crash.

I wouldn't trust comments listed in a written article -- there's too much context. Or even on an
edited interview. I've talked with Stephen Roche at his camp, and he's an amazingly friendly guy. I
trust that experience more than I trust interpretations of comments taken out of context.

Dan

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> As much as I liked him as a rider, what do you have to say about

Tyler

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Will be nice to hear about Roche eating crow. Roche wasn't half the racer Tyler is.

-Ken

OK...how do you figure?

Roche was complaining about perception. Nothing he said had anything to

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with how well or poorly Tyler was expected to race.

That's true. But Roche was downright asinine on his comments towards Tyler's continued racing
after that bad crash.

What the hell does Roche know about Tyler's drive & ambition? Your pro career is too short to have
most of a year taken away and quitting because of a Stage One (predictable) pile-up.

You may be right. Just remember how much time Roche lost due to injuries and maybe you will
understand a little o his motivation for saying what he did. There may have also been some
jealousy there.

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Roche accomplished more in 1987 than Tyler has his whole career. Tyler

seems

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to be a great character but I don't see how anyone can argue that Tyler

can

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compete with Roche's palmares. Roches remarks had no impact on his race history, just the way
people will think of him.

Roche had great palmares, better than the vast majority who race. He should have known better than
to speak/emote stupidly on Tyler Hamilton.

What Tyler has done is GOOD for the Tour in the long run.

-Ken

I think I agree with you, but I won't say that there is not any possibility of some negative
consequences. My conclusion is not in agreement with Stephen but I understand his point.

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As much as I liked him as a rider, what do you have to say about Tyler Hamilton now Stephen
Roche?

I saw a quote attributed to Roche today after Tyler's win. "It turns my stomach."

I think Mr. Roche may have some issues.

Daniel Connelly said:

K. J. Papai said:

That's true. But Roche was downright asinine on his comments towards Tyler's continued racing
after that bad crash.

I wouldn't trust comments listed in a written article -- there's too much context. Or even on an
edited interview. I've talked with Stephen Roche at his camp, and he's an amazingly friendly guy.
I trust that experience more than I trust interpretations of comments taken out of context.

You're going to kill all the fun. I hope you are happy now.

warren said:

In article said:

As much as I liked him as a rider, what do you have to say about Tyler Hamilton now Stephen Roche?

I saw a quote attributed to Roche today after Tyler's win. "It turns my stomach."

A slightly more veiled attempt to suggest that the medication being given to Tyler is
significantly more than just a few aspirin, OR that some other form of boosting has taken place
(and Roche knows about
it) OR he is just shooting his mouth off?

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In article said:

As much as I liked him as a rider, what do you have to say about Tyler Hamilton now
Stephen Roche?

I saw a quote attributed to Roche today after Tyler's win. "It turns my stomach."

I think Mr. Roche may have some issues.

Roche has some unpleasant memories from his ride with the '83 Peugeot TDF team. Pascal Simon rode
for days in the yellow jersey with a broken collar bone, finaly abandoning while still in yellow
after getting dropped on the L'Alpe d'Huez stage. Fignon took the lead for good that day. Simon's
efforts to continue were controversial because some thought that team support would be better spent
on Phil Anderson who was also in contention. Perhaps it was the suffering that he recalls, perhaps
it was Simon's vanity, but I expect this experience has influenced his opinions on Hamilton. I don't
agree with him on Hamilton, but am willing cut him some slack on this.

Bret

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>As much as I liked him as a rider, what do you have to say about Tyler Hamilton now Stephen
>Roche?

I saw a quote attributed to Roche today after Tyler's win. "It turns my stomach."

I think Mr. Roche may have some issues.

Roche has some unpleasant memories from his ride with the '83 Peugeot TDF team. Pascal Simon rode
for days in the yellow jersey with a broken collar bone, finaly abandoning while still in yellow
after getting dropped on the L'Alpe d'Huez stage. Fignon took the lead for good that day. Simon's
efforts to continue were controversial because some thought that team support would be better
spent on Phil Anderson who was also in contention. Perhaps it was the suffering that he recalls,
perhaps it was Simon's vanity, but I expect this experience has influenced his opinions on
Hamilton. I don't agree with him on Hamilton, but am willing cut him some slack on this.

Roche has his head up his ass. Events have shown that Hamilton made the right decision.

Steven Roche has always had something of a dark side. Look at his history with former team support
personel. If you read his autobiography, you'll also see that he can be very opinionated. For
example, his views on the wearing of sunglasses are rather rigid but amusing.

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Daniel Connelly said:

K. J. Papai said:

That's true. But Roche was downright asinine on his comments towards Tyler's continued racing
after that bad crash.

I wouldn't trust comments listed in a written article -- there's too

much

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context. Or even on an edited interview. I've talked with Stephen Roche at his camp, and he's an
amazingly friendly guy. I trust that experience more than I trust interpretations of comments
taken out of context.

You're going to kill all the fun. I hope you are happy now.

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I saw a quote attributed to Roche today after Tyler's win. "It turns my stomach."

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A slightly more veiled attempt to suggest that the medication being given to Tyler is
significantly more than just a few aspirin, OR that some other form of boosting has taken place
(and Roche knows about
it) OR he is just shooting his mouth off?

Maybe (if he really said that) his stomach is turned because he realizes he's going to look like
more of a dumbass? I would think that any painkiller good enough to really help Tyler would also
leave him flat on his back, or at least hardly in racing condition. OTOH, maybe they've never given
me the Really Good [censored]. (I could use some right now actually.)

At the time of his first comments, the Pascal Simon incident might have been on his mind, but since
then CSC has won three (!) stages, so I guess it hasn't been _that_ bad for the team.

Stewart Fleming said:

warren said:

In article said:

As much as I liked him as a rider, what do you have to say about Tyler Hamilton now Stephen
Roche?

I saw a quote attributed to Roche today after Tyler's win. "It turns my stomach."

A slightly more veiled attempt to suggest that the medication being given to Tyler is
significantly more than just a few aspirin, OR that some other form of boosting has taken place
(and Roche knows about
it) OR he is just shooting his mouth off?

The stage winner is *always* tested. (Tell me you didn't know that.)

Zeno

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The stage winner is *always* tested. (Tell me you didn't know that.)

(I did know that; first 6 after Luz-ardiden, apparently.) And this proves what?

Stewart Fleming said:

zeno said:

The stage winner is *always* tested. (Tell me you didn't know that.)

(I did know that; first 6 after Luz-ardiden, apparently.) And this proves what?

I was responding to,

"A slightly more veiled attempt to suggest that the medication being given to Tyler is
significantly more than just a few aspirin, OR that some other form of boosting has taken place
(and Roche knows about
it) Or he is just shooting his mouth off?"

If Tyler was taking an unauthorized pain killer or impermissible amounts of an allowed substance, it
would have shown up in one of his drug tests.

zeno