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  1. The patient is a 43-year-old female with weakness and
    fatigue. The problem began in August 2003 and progressed
    gradually until, in December, she was unable to walk more
    than twenty yards without falling and was sent by her
    primary care physician to the ER. After a week in the
    hospital, she was sent home and has been improving very
    slowly ever since. She is now unable to walk more than fifty
    yards or sit up for more than an hour, and has been unable
    to work for five months. Proximal muscles are more affected
    than distal, but distal are affected as well. Muscles are no
    longer significantly weak upon examination. Patient reports
    that the main symptom of every illness she has had for many
    years, such as minor upper respiratory infections, has been
    fatigue. An otherwise normal pregnancy in 1996 was
    accompanied by similar symptoms of fatigue which resolved
    shortly before delivery; TSH was 1.3 at the time, and no
    explanation was ever found.

    Abnormal test results include the following: EMGs
    "consistent with a subclinical myopathy"; high serum lactic
    acid (3.0 for normal range of .5 to 2.2) although completely
    at rest (no walking at all); slightly elevated cortisol
    levels which improved with extended bedrest. Earlier, a
    stress echocardiogram showed her heart was unable to
    increase efficiency during exercise, but an angiogram showed
    no sign of coronary artery disease.

    Normal test results included: normal spinal reflexes; normal
    TSH, free T3, and free T4 (patient has well-controlled
    hypothyroidism); no signs of muscle damage (normal creatine
    kinase, aldolase, etc.); no signs of depression on several
    screening tests; no increase in headaches (patient continues
    to have two migraines per month as before the illness
    began); no sore lymph nodes; normal nerve conduction tests;
    normal response to repetitive nerve stimulation tests;
    negative tests for myasthenia gravis antibodies; normal sed
    rate; normal c-reactive protein; normal 2D serum
    electrophoresis; normal MRIs of pituitary, adrenals, brain,
    thoracic spine, and cervical spine; negative hepatitis B &
    C; normal muscle biopsy; normal serum magnesium; negative
    test for heavy metal poisoning; normal blood pressure;
    normal chest x-ray; serum pyruvate at top of normal range;
    normal blood glucose, electrolytes, etc.

    The patient feels quite well if she lies in bed most of the
    time. She sleeps well at night, is not sleepy during the
    day, and never naps. She does not have sleep apnea. She has
    no signs of CFS except for the fatigue itself. She has not
    been exposed to ticks and does not live in an area in which
    Lyme disease has been found. There is no facial weakness,
    ptosis, or double vision. As recently as July 2003 (the
    month before symptoms began), she was able to walk three
    miles a day, and did so most days. She has never used statin
    drugs, and consumes no more than one glass of wine per day.
    There are no sensory symptoms at all - no numbness, no
    tingling. Balance is good. Gait is normal.

    The most recent diagnosis was myopathy, but the muscle
    biopsy was normal. Is it possible to have myopathy with a
    normal muscle biopsy?

    What would you consider, as a diagnosis? What additional
    illnesses should be ruled out?

    Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. We are just
    looking for more ideas, while waiting for an appointment
    with yet another neurologist.

  2. P. Blank said:

    Abnormal test results include the following: EMGs
    "consistent with a subclinical myopathy"; high serum
    lactic acid (3.0 for normal range of .5 to 2.2) although
    completely at rest (no walking at all);

    I'm not a doctor or biologist, so honestly this is just a
    wild guess, but this part makes me wonder about Carnitine
    deficiency.

  3. In a previous article, [email hidden] (P. Blank)
    wrote: ->The most recent diagnosis was myopathy, but the
    muscle biopsy was ->normal. Is it possible to have myopathy
    with a normal muscle biopsy?

    According to one web page, it is possible to have something
    like idiopathic polymyositis, since 10% will have a normal
    muscle biopsy.

    However, I would definitely ask for a vitamin D blood test,
    if she hasn't already had it. Myopathy, sometimes severe,
    can be caused by a vitamin D deficiency, and low vitamin D
    levels are associated with thyroid problems. This would be
    especially true if the thyroid problem was an autoimmune
    one. Was she tested for thyroid antibodies? However, even if
    that was negative, it's still worth getting the vitamin D
    test, to definitely rule it out. And while other blood tests
    might indicate a vitamin D deficiency was present
    (i.e. PTH), but in some cases, other tests are normal.

    Only recently have doctors become aware that the problem is
    much higher in the US than once thought, and that the major
    symptoms can be myopathy. Search the web for more
    information regarding this.

  4. P. Blank <[email hidden]> wrote:
    : The patient is a 43-year-old female with weakness and
    : fatigue. The problem began in August 2003 and progressed
    : gradually until, in December, she was unable to walk more
    : than twenty yards without falling and was sent by her
    : primary care physician to the ER. After a week in the
    : hospital, she was sent home and has been improving very
    : slowly ever since. She is now unable to walk more than
    : fifty yards or sit up for more than an hour, and has been
    : unable to work for five months. Proximal muscles are more
    : affected than distal, but distal are affected as well.
    : Muscles are no longer significantly weak upon examination.
    : Patient reports that the main symptom of every illness she
    : has had for many years, such as minor upper respiratory
    : infections, has been fatigue. An otherwise normal
    : pregnancy in 1996 was accompanied by similar symptoms of
    : fatigue which resolved shortly before delivery; TSH was
    : 1.3 at the time, and no explanation was ever found.

    : Abnormal test results include the following: EMGs
    : "consistent with a subclinical myopathy"; high serum
    : lactic acid (3.0 for normal range of .5 to 2.2) although
    : completely at rest (no walking at all); slightly

    It's a shot in the dark, but I came across something that
    sounds similar -- once.

    Ask your neurologist if s/he has ruled out "MELAS syndrome".
    It is cyclical. There is another variant to this, also,
    known as "MERRF".

    I am not sure how many neurologists have heard of it, but
    some have.

    More info should be available on NORD (Nat'l Org of Rare
    Diseases).

    Emma

  5. In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    P. Blank said:

    The most recent diagnosis was myopathy, but the muscle
    biopsy was normal. Is it possible to have myopathy with a
    normal muscle biopsy?

    What would you consider, as a diagnosis? What additional
    illnesses should be ruled out?

    Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. We are just
    looking for more ideas, while waiting for an appointment
    with yet another neurologist.

    The Muscular Dystrophy Association (www.mda.org) also
    covers a large number of other muscular and neuromuscular
    disorders, mainly genetic, some quite rare. If your
    doctors are unable to diagnose your wife, perhaps they can
    find a specialist or researcher through the MDA to consult
    with or refer to.

    Best wishes to the two of you.

  6. Less likely, considering all the tests she's had, but I
    assume that Hemochromatosis has been ruled out?

  7. [email hidden] (P. Blank) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    The patient is a 43-year-old female with weakness and
    fatigue. The problem began in August 2003 and progressed
    gradually until, in December, she was unable to walk more
    than twenty yards without falling and was sent by her
    primary care physician to the ER. After a week in the
    hospital, she was sent home and has been improving very
    slowly ever since. She is now unable to walk more than
    fifty yards or sit up for more than an hour, and has been
    unable to work for five months. Proximal muscles are more
    affected than distal, but distal are affected as well.
    Muscles are no longer significantly weak upon examination.
    Patient reports that the main symptom of every illness she
    has had for many years, such as minor upper respiratory
    infections, has been fatigue. An otherwise normal
    pregnancy in 1996 was accompanied by similar symptoms of
    fatigue which resolved shortly before delivery; TSH was
    1.3 at the time, and no explanation was ever found.

    Abnormal test results include the following: EMGs
    "consistent with a subclinical myopathy"; high serum
    lactic acid (3.0 for normal range of .5 to 2.2) although
    completely at rest (no walking at all); slightly elevated
    cortisol levels which improved with extended bedrest.
    Earlier, a stress echocardiogram showed her heart was
    unable to increase efficiency during exercise, but an
    angiogram showed no sign of coronary artery disease.

    Normal test results included: normal spinal reflexes;
    normal TSH, free T3, and free T4 (patient has well-
    controlled hypothyroidism); no signs of muscle damage
    (normal creatine kinase, aldolase, etc.); no signs of
    depression on several screening tests; no increase in
    headaches (patient continues to have two migraines per
    month as before the illness began); no sore lymph nodes;
    normal nerve conduction tests; normal response to
    repetitive nerve stimulation tests; negative tests for
    myasthenia gravis antibodies; normal sed rate; normal c-
    reactive protein; normal 2D serum electrophoresis; normal
    MRIs of pituitary, adrenals, brain, thoracic spine, and
    cervical spine; negative hepatitis B & C; normal muscle
    biopsy; normal serum magnesium; negative test for heavy
    metal poisoning; normal blood pressure; normal chest x-
    ray; serum pyruvate at top of normal range; normal blood
    glucose, electrolytes, etc.

    The patient feels quite well if she lies in bed most of
    the time. She sleeps well at night, is not sleepy during
    the day, and never naps. She does not have sleep apnea.
    She has no signs of CFS except for the fatigue itself.
    She has not been exposed to ticks and does not live in
    an area in which Lyme disease has been found. There is
    no facial weakness, ptosis, or double vision. As
    recently as July 2003 (the month before symptoms began),
    she was able to walk three miles a day, and did so most
    days. She has never used statin drugs, and consumes no
    more than one glass of wine per day. There are no
    sensory symptoms at all - no numbness, no tingling.
    Balance is good. Gait is normal.

    The most recent diagnosis was myopathy, but the muscle
    biopsy was normal. Is it possible to have myopathy with a
    normal muscle biopsy?

    The mitochondrial myopathies (in the milder heteroplasmic
    forms) can present in a "patchy" fashion where muscle
    biopsies can be more misses than hits.

    Quoted message said:


    What would you consider, as a diagnosis?

    The elevated lactic acid points to a respiratory chain
    (mitochondrial) defect.

    Quoted message said:

    What additional illnesses should be ruled out?

    MELAS and MERRF (Mitochondrial disorders)

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. We are just
    looking for more ideas, while waiting for an appointment
    with yet another neurologist.

    You are welcome :-)

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
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    Board-Certified Cardiologist
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  8. [email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In a previous article, [email hidden] (P. Blank)
    wrote: ->The most recent diagnosis was myopathy, but the
    muscle biopsy was ->normal. Is it possible to have
    myopathy with a normal muscle biopsy?

    According to one web page, it is possible to have
    something like idiopathic polymyositis, since 10% will
    have a normal muscle biopsy.

    Thanks, that's interesting. Unfortunately, the EMGs were
    negative for any sort of myositis. I wonder if this is also
    true for other muscle disorders.

    Quoted message said:

    However, I would definitely ask for a vitamin D blood
    test, if she hasn't already had it. Myopathy, sometimes
    severe, can be caused by a vitamin D deficiency, and low
    vitamin D levels are associated with thyroid problems.
    This would be especially true if the thyroid problem was
    an autoimmune one. Was she tested for thyroid antibodies?
    However, even if that was negative, it's still worth
    getting the vitamin D test, to definitely rule it out. And
    while other blood tests might indicate a vitamin D
    deficiency was present
    (i.e. PTH), but in some cases, other tests are normal.

    Is it possible to have a vitamin D deficiency if one
    consumes a quart of vitamin D milk per day, plus a
    multivitamin containing 100% of the RDA, every day? (This
    has been the patient's habit for several years. ) That is,
    is there any sort of malabsorption deficiency possible for
    vitamin D, as there is for vitamin B12? As far as we can
    determine, it is not harmful to consume 800 IU of vitamin D
    per day. (BTW, B12 was tested as well, and found to be in
    the middle of the normal range.)

    Thanks very much for the suggestions.

  9. Wow, doc, I'm impressed!!! Most docs don't know anything
    about mito disease!

    The original poster should go to www.umdf.org for more info.

    Thanks,

    Mike

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    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (P. Blank) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The patient is a 43-year-old female with weakness and fatigue. The
    problem began in August 2003 and progressed gradually until, in
    December, she was unable to walk more than twenty yards without
    falling and was sent by her primary care physician to the ER. After a
    week in the hospital, she was sent home and has been improving very
    slowly ever since. She is now unable to walk more than fifty yards or
    sit up for more than an hour, and has been unable to work for five
    months. Proximal muscles are more affected than distal, but distal are
    affected as well. Muscles are no longer significantly weak upon
    examination. Patient reports that the main symptom of every illness
    she has had for many years, such as minor upper respiratory
    infections, has been fatigue. An otherwise normal pregnancy in 1996
    was accompanied by similar symptoms of fatigue which resolved shortly
    before delivery; TSH was 1.3 at the time, and no explanation was ever
    found.

    Abnormal test results include the following: EMGs "consistent with a
    subclinical myopathy"; high serum lactic acid (3.0 for normal range of
    0.5 to 2.2) although completely at rest (no walking at all); slightly
    elevated cortisol levels which improved with extended bedrest.
    Earlier, a stress echocardiogram showed her heart was unable to
    increase efficiency during exercise, but an angiogram showed no sign
    of coronary artery disease.

    Normal test results included: normal spinal reflexes; normal TSH, free
    T3, and free T4 (patient has well-controlled hypothyroidism); no signs
    of muscle damage (normal creatine kinase, aldolase, etc.); no signs of
    depression on several screening tests; no increase in headaches
    (patient continues to have two migraines per month as before the
    illness began); no sore lymph nodes; normal nerve conduction tests;
    normal response to repetitive nerve stimulation tests; negative tests
    for myasthenia gravis antibodies; normal sed rate; normal c-reactive
    protein; normal 2D serum electrophoresis; normal MRIs of pituitary,
    adrenals, brain, thoracic spine, and cervical spine; negative
    hepatitis B & C; normal muscle biopsy; normal serum magnesium;
    negative test for heavy metal poisoning; normal blood pressure; normal
    chest x-ray; serum pyruvate at top of normal range; normal blood
    glucose, electrolytes, etc.

    The patient feels quite well if she lies in bed most of the time. She
    sleeps well at night, is not sleepy during the day, and never naps.
    She does not have sleep apnea. She has no signs of CFS except for the
    fatigue itself. She has not been exposed to ticks and does not live in
    an area in which Lyme disease has been found. There is no facial
    weakness, ptosis, or double vision. As recently as July 2003 (the
    month before symptoms began), she was able to walk three miles a day,
    and did so most days. She has never used statin drugs, and consumes no
    more than one glass of wine per day. There are no sensory symptoms at
    all - no numbness, no tingling. Balance is good. Gait is normal.

    The most recent diagnosis was myopathy, but the muscle biopsy was
    normal. Is it possible to have myopathy with a normal muscle biopsy?

    The mitochondrial myopathies (in the milder heteroplasmic forms) can
    present in a "patchy" fashion where muscle biopsies can be more misses
    than hits.

    Quoted message said:


    What would you consider, as a diagnosis?

    The elevated lactic acid points to a respiratory chain (mitochondrial)
    defect.

    Quoted message said:

    What additional illnesses
    should be ruled out?

    MELAS and MERRF (Mitochondrial disorders)

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. We are just looking for more
    ideas, while waiting for an appointment with yet another neurologist.

    You are welcome :-)

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
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    Board-Certified Cardiologist
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  10. In a previous article, [email hidden] (P. Blank)
    wrote: ->Is it possible to have a vitamin D deficiency if
    one consumes a quart ->of vitamin D milk per day, plus a
    multivitamin containing 100% of the ->RDA, every day? (This
    has been the patient's habit for several years. ->😉 That is,
    is there any sort of malabsorption deficiency possible for
    ->vitamin D, as there is for vitamin B12? As far as we can
    determine, it ->is not harmful to consume 800 IU of vitamin
    D per day. (BTW, B12 was ->tested as well, and found to be
    in the middle of the normal range.)

    If you have an intestinal absorption problem, such as celiac
    disease, it's possible that you may not be absorbing the
    vitamin D. Muscle pain and myopathy is possible in celiac.
    And there is some overlap between celiac and certain forms
    of hypothyroidism.

    There are also various mitochonrial deficiencies, such as
    this:

    tsbvi.edumitocho
    ndrial.htm
    -----------

    Complex I Deficiency

    Long Name: NADH dehydrogenase (NADH-CoQ reductase)
    deficiency.

    Symptoms: Three major forms:

    2. Myopathy beginning in childhood or in adult life,
    manifesting as exercise intolerance or weakness.
    Elevated lactic acid common.
    -----------

    On the other hand, I can't help but to remember an axiom I
    once read, that basically said it's more likely that you'll
    find uncommon symptoms of a common disorder, than you will
    find common symptoms of an uncommon disorder. In other
    words, what's the likelihood of someone having both
    hypothyroidism, and a rare disease? The odds are, a symptom
    is more likely related to an existing condition, or one
    that is more common. Anyway, just a thought, I'm sure
    someone else will suggest something just as good or better
    than my idea.

  11. Mike (Remove X's to reply) said:


    Wow, doc, I'm impressed!!!

    All the glory belongs to God :-)

    Quoted message said:

    Most docs don't know anything about mito disease!

    They don't see enough of them.

    Quoted message said:

    The original poster should go to www.umdf.org for
    more info.

    umdf.orgumdf.org is a good resource.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

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    Board-Certified Cardiologist
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  12. I am not a doc but love a mystery. Tell me why Shey
    Dreyger's Syndrome is not a possibility. I have had two
    patients with that. Symptoms are similar. Was not privy
    to lab work.

    j "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>
    wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (P. Blank) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The patient is a 43-year-old female with weakness and
    fatigue. The problem began in August 2003 and progressed
    gradually until, in December, she was unable to walk
    more than twenty yards without falling and was sent by
    her primary care physician to the ER. After a week in
    the hospital, she was sent home and has been improving
    very slowly ever since. She is now unable to walk more
    than fifty yards or sit up for more than an hour, and
    has been unable to work for five months. Proximal
    muscles are more affected than distal, but distal are
    affected as well. Muscles are no longer significantly
    weak upon examination. Patient reports that the main
    symptom of every illness she has had for many years,
    such as minor upper respiratory infections, has been
    fatigue. An otherwise normal pregnancy in 1996 was
    accompanied by similar symptoms of fatigue which
    resolved shortly before delivery; TSH was 1.3 at the
    time, and no explanation was ever found.

    Abnormal test results include the following: EMGs
    "consistent with a subclinical myopathy"; high serum
    lactic acid (3.0 for normal range of .5 to 2.2) although
    completely at rest (no walking at all); slightly
    elevated cortisol levels which improved with extended
    bedrest. Earlier, a stress echocardiogram showed her
    heart was unable to increase efficiency during exercise,
    but an angiogram showed no sign of coronary artery
    disease.

    Normal test results included: normal spinal reflexes;
    normal TSH, free T3, and free T4 (patient has well-
    controlled hypothyroidism); no signs of muscle damage
    (normal creatine kinase, aldolase, etc.); no signs of
    depression on several screening tests; no increase in
    headaches (patient continues to have two migraines per
    month as before the illness began); no sore lymph nodes;
    normal nerve conduction tests; normal response to
    repetitive nerve stimulation tests; negative tests for
    myasthenia gravis antibodies; normal sed rate; normal
    c-reactive protein; normal 2D serum electrophoresis;
    normal MRIs of pituitary, adrenals, brain, thoracic
    spine, and cervical spine; negative hepatitis B & C;
    normal muscle biopsy; normal serum magnesium; negative
    test for heavy metal poisoning; normal blood pressure;
    normal chest x-ray; serum pyruvate at top of normal
    range; normal blood glucose, electrolytes, etc.

    The patient feels quite well if she lies in bed most of
    the time. She sleeps well at night, is not sleepy during
    the day, and never naps. She does not have sleep apnea.
    She has no signs of CFS except for the fatigue itself.
    She has not been exposed to ticks and does not live in
    an area in which Lyme disease has been found. There is
    no facial weakness, ptosis, or double vision. As
    recently as July 2003 (the month before symptoms began),
    she was able to walk three miles a day, and did so most
    days. She has never used statin drugs, and consumes no
    more than one glass of wine per day. There are no
    sensory symptoms at all - no numbness, no tingling.
    Balance is good. Gait is normal.

    The most recent diagnosis was myopathy, but the muscle
    biopsy was normal. Is it possible to have myopathy with
    a normal muscle biopsy?

    The mitochondrial myopathies (in the milder heteroplasmic
    forms) can present in a "patchy" fashion where muscle
    biopsies can be more misses than hits.

    Quoted message said:


    What would you consider, as a diagnosis?

    The elevated lactic acid points to a respiratory chain
    (mitochondrial) defect.

    Quoted message said:

    What additional illnesses should be ruled out?

    MELAS and MERRF (Mitochondrial disorders)

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. We are just
    looking for more ideas, while waiting for an appointment
    with yet another neurologist.

    You are welcome :-)

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

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  13. Quoted message said:

    Abnormal test results include the following: EMGs "consistent with a


    : > subclinical myopathy"; high serum lactic acid (3.0 for
    : > normal range of .5 to 2.2) although completely at rest
    : > (no walking at all); slightly

    <snip>

    : > What additional illnesses should be ruled out?

    : MELAS and MERRF (Mitochondrial disorders)

    *tee hee* I was right. _

    Man, i gotta go to med skewl._ Enuf of this nursing
    school stuff. 😉

    PS. MELAS can be cyclical (exacerbations waxing & waning).

    Emma

  14. I'm guessing you mean Shy-Drager Syndrome. From what I found
    out about that disease, "the disorder is characterized by
    postural hypotension--an excessive drop in blood pressure
    which causes dizziness or momentary blackouts upon standing
    or sitting up." This person doesn't seem to indicate there
    are any blood pressure problems.

    In a previous article, "Julianne" <[email hidden]>
    wrote: ->I am not a doc but love a mystery. Tell me why
    Shey Dreyger's Syndrome is ->not a possibility. I have had
    two patients with that. Symptoms are ->similar. Was not
    privy to lab work. -> ->j ->"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message -

    Quoted message said:

    "]news:[email hidden]...


    ->> [email hidden] (P. Blank) wrote in message -

    Quoted message said:

    news:<[email hidden]>...


    ->> > The patient is a 43-year-old female with weakness and
    fatigue. The ->> > problem began in August 2003 and
    progressed gradually until, in ->> > December, she was
    unable to walk more than twenty yards without ->> > falling
    and was sent by her primary care physician to the ER. After
    a ->> > week in the hospital, she was sent home and has
    been improving very ->> > slowly ever since. She is now
    unable to walk more than fifty yards or ->> > sit up for
    more than an hour, and has been unable to work for five ->>

    Quoted message said:

    months. Proximal muscles are more affected than distal,


    but distal are ->> > affected as well. Muscles are no
    longer significantly weak upon ->> > examination. Patient
    reports that the main symptom of every illness ->> > she
    has had for many years, such as minor upper respiratory ->>

    Quoted message said:

    infections, has been fatigue. An otherwise normal


    pregnancy in 1996 ->> > was accompanied by similar symptoms
    of fatigue which resolved shortly ->> > before delivery;
    TSH was 1.3 at the time, and no explanation was ever ->> >
    found. ->> > ->> > Abnormal test results include the
    following: EMGs "consistent with a ->> > subclinical
    myopathy"; high serum lactic acid (3.0 for normal range of
    ->> > 0.5 to 2.2) although completely at rest (no walking
    at all); slightly ->> > elevated cortisol levels which
    improved with extended bedrest. ->> > Earlier, a stress
    echocardiogram showed her heart was unable to ->> >
    increase efficiency during exercise, but an angiogram
    showed no sign ->> > of coronary artery disease. ->> > ->>

    Quoted message said:

    Normal test results included: normal spinal reflexes;


    normal TSH, free ->> > T3, and free T4 (patient has well-
    controlled hypothyroidism); no signs ->> > of muscle damage
    (normal creatine kinase, aldolase, etc.); no signs of ->> >
    depression on several screening tests; no increase in
    headaches ->> > (patient continues to have two migraines
    per month as before the ->> > illness began); no sore lymph
    nodes; normal nerve conduction tests; ->> > normal response
    to repetitive nerve stimulation tests; negative tests ->> >
    for myasthenia gravis antibodies; normal sed rate; normal
    c-reactive ->> > protein; normal 2D serum electrophoresis;
    normal MRIs of pituitary, ->> > adrenals, brain, thoracic
    spine, and cervical spine; negative ->> > hepatitis B & C;
    normal muscle biopsy; normal serum magnesium; ->> >
    negative test for heavy metal poisoning; normal blood
    pressure; normal ->> > chest x-ray; serum pyruvate at top
    of normal range; normal blood ->> > glucose, electrolytes,
    etc. ->> > ->> > The patient feels quite well if she lies
    in bed most of the time. She ->> > sleeps well at night, is
    not sleepy during the day, and never naps. ->> > She does
    not have sleep apnea. She has no signs of CFS except for
    the ->> > fatigue itself. She has not been exposed to ticks
    and does not live in ->> > an area in which Lyme disease
    has been found. There is no facial ->> > weakness, ptosis,
    or double vision. As recently as July 2003 (the ->> > month
    before symptoms began), she was able to walk three miles a
    day, ->> > and did so most days. She has never used statin
    drugs, and consumes no ->> > more than one glass of wine
    per day. There are no sensory symptoms at ->> > all - no
    numbness, no tingling. Balance is good. Gait is normal. ->>

    Quoted message said:

    ->> > The most recent diagnosis was myopathy, but the


    muscle biopsy was ->> > normal. Is it possible to have
    myopathy with a normal muscle biopsy? ->> ->> The
    mitochondrial myopathies (in the milder heteroplasmic
    forms) can ->> present in a "patchy" fashion where muscle
    biopsies can be more misses ->> than hits. ->> ->> > ->> >
    What would you consider, as a diagnosis? ->> ->> The
    elevated lactic acid points to a respiratory chain
    (mitochondrial) ->> defect. ->> ->> > What additional
    illnesses ->> > should be ruled out? ->> ->> MELAS and
    MERRF (Mitochondrial disorders) ->> ->> > Thanks for any
    suggestions you can offer. We are just looking for more ->>

    Quoted message said:

    ideas, while waiting for an appointment with yet another


    neurologist. ->> ->> You are welcome :-) ->> ->> ->>
    Servant to the humblest person in the universe, ->> ->>
    Andrew ->> ->> -- ->> Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD ->> Board-
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  15. Emma Chase VanCott said:

    Man, i gotta go to med skewl._ Enuf of this nursing school
    stuff. 😉

    If only med school were about trivial pursuit... ;-)

    It would seem to me that given this patient's extensive
    (!!!) workup, the aforementioned metabolic diseases (MERFF,
    MELAS) have been effectively ruled out, or at least seem
    less likely (they're pretty darn rare anyway). In MERFF, one
    would have expected the muscle biopsy to have shown the
    characteristic "ragged red fibers", and the MRI to have
    shown some evidence of basal ganglia and/or white matter
    infarcts. Ditto MELAS (as well as the lack of pathomnemonic
    "stroke-like episodes"😉. Having said that, I have no idea
    what they've got.

  16. In a previous article, TPFKAA <[email hidden]> wrote: ->On
    2004-05-10 15:00:55 -0400, Emma Chase VanCott
    <[email hidden]> said: ->It would seem to me that
    given this patient's extensive (!!!) workup, ->the
    aforementioned metabolic diseases (MERFF, MELAS) have been
    ->effectively ruled out, or at least seem less likely
    (they're pretty ->darn rare anyway). In MERFF, one would
    have expected the muscle biopsy ->to have shown the
    characteristic "ragged red fibers", and the MRI to ->have
    shown some evidence of basal ganglia and/or white matter
    infarcts. ->Ditto MELAS (as well as the lack of
    pathomnemonic "stroke-like ->episodes"😉. Having said that, I
    have no idea what they've got.

    First, I would still get a vitamin D test. Even if the
    person is taking 800IU plus a day (the plus due to drinking
    milk), that would only marginally raise serum levels, so if
    a deficiency exists (i.e. due to certain autoimmune diseases
    which lower vitamin D, or simply due to lack of sun
    exposure), than vitamin D supplementation needs to be much
    higher to be effective. See:

    ajcn.org717

    "What effect does a daily dose of 400 IU vitamin D for an
    extended time (months) have in adults? The answer is little
    or nothing. At this dose (10 µg/d) in an adult, circulating
    25(OH)D concentrations usually remain unchanged or decline."

    "doses of 400 IU (10 µg), 1000 IU (25 µg), 4000 IU (100 µg),
    and 10 000 IU (250 µg) vitamin D/d for 5 mo will result in
    theoretical increases in circulating concentrations of 2.8,
    7.0, 28, and 70 ng 25(OH)D/mL, respectively,"

    Secondly, the lab tests need to be repeated. Third, there is
    still the possibility of Complex I Deficiency, which can
    have begin as an adult. And the lab tests can vary for such
    a syndrome. I read that a certain percentage of people (i.e.
    10%) have either normal EMG or biopsy results. True, it
    would be rare to have both be normal, but still
    theoretically possible.

    And lastly, the patients symptoms could still be hypothyroid
    symptoms, as the person may simply need a higher amount of
    T3 than what the lab tests say.

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