What's up with RANS?

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What's up with RANS? I ordered a new Zephyr seat from RANS
thru my LBS on February 21st, and RANS says they won't
ship for another two to three weeks or longer. The first
excuse was that they were waiting on the seat fabric
(which was due mid March). After many calls and no
responses, the shop got the second excuse for not shipping-
they were only shipping seats on NEW bikes and NOT for
individual seat purchasers. Their own web site says 2 to 3
weeks. I've been waiting for TWO MONTHS!! I've sent emails
to RANS with NO response. My LBS says they've never seen
such shabby treatment from a vendor before.

Anyone else have these kind of issues with RANS?

Landonman

I guess I got lucky. I ordered a shortstop seat and received
it the next week. But maybe they had more of those available
than the Zephyr seats.

I suspect they produce in batches, so anything ordered which
is not in stock would have to wait for the next production
run.... If they can only get so many at a time, and they are
in their busy season, they will not hold up production on a
bike to sell a single seat...

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What's up with RANS? I ordered a new Zephyr seat from
RANS thru my LBS on February 21st, and RANS says they
won't ship for another two to three weeks or longer. The
first excuse was that they were waiting on the seat
fabric (which was due mid March). After many calls and
no responses, the shop got the second excuse for not shipping-
they were only shipping seats on NEW bikes and NOT for
individual seat purchasers. Their own web site says 2 to
3 weeks. I've been waiting for TWO MONTHS!! I've sent
emails to RANS with NO response. My LBS says they've
never seen such shabby treatment from a vendor before.

Anyone else have these kind of issues with RANS?

Landonman

I guess I got lucky. I ordered a shortstop seat and
received it the next week. But maybe they had more of
those available than the Zephyr seats.

Small companies take longer sometimes.

To get craftsmanship you often have to go small. To get
'bents at all ya gotta go small.

Rivendell upright customers wait many months very often even
for production bikes.

They should be able to email you, though.

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Originally posted by landon2
What's up with RANS? I ordered a new Zephyr seat from RANS
thru my LBS on February 21st, and RANS says they won't ship
for another two to three weeks or longer. The first excuse
was that they were waiting on the seat fabric (which was due
mid March). After many calls and no responses, the shop got
the second excuse for not shipping- they were only shipping
seats on NEW bikes and NOT for individual seat purchasers.
Their own web site says 2 to 3 weeks. I've been waiting for
TWO MONTHS!! I've sent emails to RANS with NO response. My
LBS says they've never seen such shabby treatment from a
vendor before.

Anyone else have these kind of issues with RANS?

Landonman

I ordered a Force 5 LE thru a dealer back in February, At that time, RANS would not commit to a week or even a month of delivery. I sent an E-mail with a question on the bike, and never got a reply. Their website provides no information on what is going on , which I'm sure many people are wondering with all the buildup they had to this bike. Recently, I called RANS and was told the LE needs a part that they don't expect to have until mid June. I'll let you know if I ever get the bike.

Landoman,

John Schlitter, the heart and sole of RANS, left to
start Bachetta.

I had seat issues with a 2002 Rocket and RANS lied to me.

I think RANS has a slug of problems and public
relations is # 1.

Perry B

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What's up with RANS? I ordered a new Zephyr seat from RANS
thru my LBS on February 21st, and RANS says they won't
ship for another two to three weeks or longer. The first
excuse was that they were waiting on the seat fabric
(which was due mid March). After many calls and no
responses, the shop got the second excuse for not shipping-
they were only shipping seats on NEW bikes and NOT for
individual seat purchasers. Their own web site says 2 to 3
weeks. I've been waiting for TWO MONTHS!! I've sent emails
to RANS with NO response. My LBS says they've never seen
such shabby treatment from a vendor before.

Anyone else have these kind of issues with RANS?

Landonman

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Originally posted by landon2
What's up with RANS? I ordered a new Zephyr seat from RANS
thru my LBS on February 21st, and RANS says they won't ship
for another two to three weeks or longer. The first excuse
was that they were waiting on the seat fabric (which was due
mid March). After many calls and no responses, the shop got
the second excuse for not shipping- they were only shipping
seats on NEW bikes and NOT for individual seat purchasers.
Their own web site says 2 to 3 weeks. I've been waiting for
TWO MONTHS!! I've sent emails to RANS with NO response. My
LBS says they've never seen such shabby treatment from a
vendor before.

Anyone else have these kind of issues with RANS?

Landonman

What's up with RANS? Force 5 LE Issues Update

My bike shop called RANS, and discovered the missing forks had arrived last Thursday. That said, they would begin painting the frames, and the bikes would go out to the shops that ordered them. They said it would be 4 to 6 weeks for the one I ordered. Seems they could have simply made a posting on their website of why the were delayed in the first place.

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Quoted message said:

What's up with RANS? I ordered a new Zephyr seat from RANS
thru my LBS on February 21st, and RANS says they won't
ship for another two to three weeks or longer. The first
excuse was that they were waiting on the seat fabric
(which was due mid March). After many calls and no
responses, the shop got the second excuse for not shipping-
they were only shipping seats on NEW bikes and NOT for
individual seat purchasers. Their own web site says 2 to 3
weeks. I've been waiting for TWO MONTHS!! I've sent emails
to RANS with NO response. My LBS says they've never seen
such shabby treatment from a vendor before.

Anyone else have these kind of issues with RANS?

Landonman

Vision, Bike E and Rans? I think that they are next on the
list of 'bent manufacturers to go belly up! The Farce 5 is
just there lame way of trying to compete! I might be totaly
wrong but I think that Rans core business is airplains and I
think they will go with that and Nix 'bents. Time will tell?
And Randy sure has a way with his costomers does he not?

nogoslow said:

Vision, Bike E and Rans? I think that they are next on the
list of 'bent manufacturers to go belly up! The Farce 5 is
just there lame way of trying to compete! I might be
totaly wrong but I think that Rans core business is
airplains and I think they will go with that and Nix
'bents. Time will tell? And Randy sure has a way with his
costomers does he not?

What is this "Rans" company? 😉

Recall the large (percentage wise) increase in sales of
recumbent from 1997 to 1998 (when the waiting time to
purchase a new recumbent was several months). It appears
that several manufacturers assumed that the same rate of
growth in recumbent sales would occur for the next several
years. They signed up many dealers and increased the
production capacity. When recumbent sales leveled off, this
left several manufacturers overextended. [1]

The future of highracer sales is questionable, since most
experienced recumbent riders that are interested in a
highracer have already or will in the near future have
purchased one. Additional sales volume will be low unless
the overall recumbent market grows faster than it has the
last few years. This will likely require selling to current
upright riders.

[1] As an example, my "2000" RANS Rocket has a 1999 serial
number but the 2000 seat, which indicates that RANS
ordered too many 1999 framesets.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad Cities (Illinois Side)

There are many things going on in the industry as a whole.
In regards to parts...and not only Shimano. Manufacturers
have been plagued by delays in product availability from the
pacific basin. When you manufacture in Tiawan or China it is
not a direct thing, you use an agent. Often you expect a
shipment and it never arrives even if you got a ship date
and a container manifest. When you call the agent he says "I
get back to you" When they do its more often than not that
your shipment was held due to the lack of say a seat pan,
cover or even a reflector set and you were not notified.
Often you order a specific product just to get a substitute
that doesn't work. This has happened with seat mesh in the
past. In the RANS situation, they are playing catch up. IMO
their lack of product out the door is a result of a number
of SNAFUs. You get revved up to do a pack and ship run and
the product never shows up. So you try to make as much as
you can in-house and ship as you can. Such is the situation
I suspect with the Force
5. I won't see mine which I ordered 2 weeks ago for 4 to 6
weeks more. As a dealer I never make promises. RANS is
not the only one missing deadlines. If they don't have it
to ship. I add at least 2 weeks to the supposed date they
will ship.

Jude

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What's up with RANS? I ordered a new Zephyr seat from
RANS thru my LBS on February 21st, and RANS says they
won't ship for another two to three weeks or longer. The
first excuse was that they were waiting on the seat
fabric (which was due mid March). After many calls and
no responses, the shop got the second excuse for not shipping-
they were only shipping seats on NEW bikes and NOT for
individual seat purchasers. Their own web site says 2 to
3 weeks. I've been waiting for TWO MONTHS!! I've sent
emails to RANS with NO response. My LBS says they've
never seen such shabby treatment from a vendor before.

Anyone else have these kind of issues with RANS?

Landonman

Vision, Bike E and Rans? I think that they are next on the
list of 'bent manufacturers to go belly up! The Farce 5 is
just there lame way of trying to compete! I might be
totaly wrong but I think that Rans core business is
airplains and I think they will go with that and Nix
'bents. Time will tell? And Randy sure has a way with his
costomers does he not?

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The future of highracer sales is questionable, since most
experienced recumbent riders that are interested in a
highracer have already or will in the near future have
purchased one. Additional sales volume will be low unless
the overall recumbent market grows faster than it has the
last few years. This will likely require selling to
current upright riders.

Tom, I agree. I am one of those experienced riders who
bought my highracer last year. As for selling a highracer as
a first recumbent to existing upright riders, I wouldn't
bank on that either. The highracer is not the most friendly
bike for a new recumbent rider. Even for an experienced
recumbent rider, the highracer has a learning curve. A
traditional upright rider would have to really be patient
with his/her new highracer.

Jim

Hi Jim, I disagree with you and Tom and I think that you
both under estimate the the ability of riders to adapt to
the HighRacer as a first bent. I think I should know since I
have hands on front line knowledge of the who is buying
recumbents outside the the aspects of the newsgroups, BROL
and Yahoo Groups. I have non-benters hop on the HighRacer
and in a few laps are grinning from ear to ear. HighRacers
as they have become known are not as docile as some, but
easily adapted to. I am in the process of selling a mod .
Corsa at a very athletic gentleman in his mid 60's. First
bent. Saturday he rode 40 or so miles on the demo after
learing to handle the bike in the lot and doing laps around
the building. He went off clipped in and loved it.
Conversation yesterday with a gentleman who rides a Trek
5900 and a Merlin. Fast club rider. He is interested in an
AERO and will be here Saturday. Recumbents are not for
everbody and HRs are not for everyone either. However, I am
experiencing a great deal of interest in the bikes. Wish I
had some Force 5's, but their coming...? Flash in the pan?
What do I know? We will have to wait and see. Jim, How is
your M5 Strada treating you. Ready for an AERO?

Jude

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The future of highracer sales is questionable, since
most experienced recumbent riders that are interested in
a highracer have already or will in the near future have
purchased one. Additional sales volume will be low
unless the overall recumbent market grows faster than it
has the last few years. This will likely require selling
to current upright

riders.

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Tom, I agree. I am one of those experienced riders who
bought my highracer last year. As for selling a highracer
as a first recumbent to existing upright riders, I
wouldn't bank on that either. The highracer is not the
most friendly bike for a new recumbent rider. Even for an
experienced recumbent rider, the highracer has a learning
curve. A traditional upright rider would have to really be
patient with his/her new highracer.

Jim

I must be missing something that Tom and Jim aren't, because
every indication is that Bacchetta, Volae, Rans and Reynolds
are having no trouble at all selling every high racer they
can make. I'm glad the mfr's aren't buying this [censored].

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The future of highracer sales is questionable, since
most experienced recumbent riders that are interested in
a highracer have already or will in the near future have
purchased one. Additional sales volume will be low
unless the overall recumbent market grows faster than it
has the last few years. This will likely require selling
to current upright

riders.

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Tom, I agree. I am one of those experienced riders who
bought my highracer last year. As for selling a highracer
as a first recumbent to existing upright riders, I
wouldn't bank on that either. The highracer is not the
most friendly bike for a new recumbent rider. Even for an
experienced recumbent rider, the highracer has a learning
curve. A traditional upright rider would have to really be
patient with his/her new highracer.

Jim

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I must be missing something that Tom and Jim aren't,
because every indication is that Bacchetta, Volae, Rans
and Reynolds are having no

trouble

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at all selling every high racer they can make. I'm glad
the mfr's aren't buying this [censored].

The manufacturers are selling them this year and maybe next
year because they are something new on the market and
recumbent cyclists are getting them for that reason alone.
But unless you grow recumbent cyclists, that pool of buyers
will soon dry up and then maybe by the third or fourth year
they won't sell at all. The fact is that there is only a
limited market for reucmbents of all types and the market
for high racers is most likely quite small. The only ones
who will get them are those who want to be fast. Most
recumbent cyclists only want to be comfortable and do not
care about being fast. Now maybe you began to see why this
analysis of high racers is not [censored].

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

Most recumbent cyclists only want to be comfortable and do
not care about being fast. Now maybe you began to see why
this analysis of high racers is not [censored].

Another triumph of Ed-Logic(tm)! Once again he fails to
grasp the fact that fast and comfortable are not mutually
exclusive. Do us all a favour, Ed, and stop talking bollocks
on subjects of which you clearly have no knowledge.

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Nice to hear from you Jude. The Strada continues to be fast
and fun! Still, I don't quite have the confidence I'd like
at intersections. I just raised the M5 seat a bit to
accomodate a more vertical (and less aero) position. The
fact is that I still feel more secure on my Stratus. Maybe
an up specd Velocity Squared would give me some of what I
like about both bikes! You could sell me one couldn't you?

As for the market, I must defer to you here. You sell bikes.
I don't. It just seems to me that when friends check out my
bikes, they sit on the Stratus, climb on the Strada, and go
back and ride the Stratus.

Jim

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Edward Dolan said:

Most recumbent cyclists only want to be comfortable and
do not care about being fast. Now maybe you began to see
why this analysis of high racers is not [censored].

Another triumph of Ed-Logic(tm)! Once again he fails to
grasp the fact

that

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fast and comfortable are not mutually exclusive. Do us all
a favour, Ed, and stop talking bollocks on subjects of
which you clearly have no knowledge.

Those who buy and ride recumbents because they want to be
fast and win races are a different breed than those who buy
recumbents and want to ride them for a bit of recreation and
exercise are two different breeds of humans entirely. The
racers are a very small minority and the non-racers are a
very huge majority. Why don't you do us all a favor, Dave,
and admit that you belong to the former group and are biased
and prejudiced and have no perspective on the true dimension
of the situation at all.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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Do us all a favour, Ed, and stop talking bollocks on
subjects of which you clearly have no knowledge.

That would leave him with a series of long, empty days...

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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:53:24 +0100, "Dave Larrington"
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Do us all a favour, Ed, and stop talking bollocks on
subjects of which you clearly have no knowledge.

That would leave him with a series of long, empty days...

Sigh ... nothing to say but still has got to say it. Pardon
me while I treat this newsgroup, especially the English
contingent, with the contempt it so richly deserves.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Mr. Ed Dolan said:

Those who buy and ride recumbents because they want to be
fast and win races are a different breed than those who
buy recumbents and want to ride them for a bit of
recreation and exercise are two different breeds of humans
entirely. The racers are a very small minority and the non-
racers are a very huge majority. Why don't you do us all a
favor, Dave, and admit that you belong to the former group
and are biased and prejudiced and have no perspective on
the true dimension of the situation at all.

If Mr. Ed paid attention, he would know that Mr. Larrington
spends much more time commuting in London, England on a HP
Velotechnik Speedmachine than racing on an Optima Baron.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad Cities (Illinois Side)