What's up with RANS?

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What's up with RANS? I ordered a new Zephyr seat from RANS thru my LBS
on February 21st, and RANS says they won't ship for another two to
three weeks or longer. The first excuse was that they were waiting on
the seat fabric (which was due mid March). After many calls and no
responses, the shop got the second excuse for not shipping- they were
only shipping seats on NEW bikes and NOT for individual seat
purchasers. Their own web site says 2 to 3 weeks. I've been waiting
for TWO MONTHS!! I've sent emails to RANS with NO response. My LBS
says they've never seen such shabby treatment from a vendor before.

Anyone else have these kind of issues with RANS?

Landonman

I guess I got lucky. I ordered a shortstop seat and received it the
next week. But maybe they had more of those available than the Zephyr
seats.

I suspect they produce in batches, so anything ordered which is not in stock
would have to wait for the next production run.... If they can only get so
many at a time, and they are in their busy season, they will not hold up
production on a bike to sell a single seat...

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What's up with RANS? I ordered a new Zephyr seat from RANS thru my LBS
on February 21st, and RANS says they won't ship for another two to
three weeks or longer. The first excuse was that they were waiting on
the seat fabric (which was due mid March). After many calls and no
responses, the shop got the second excuse for not shipping- they were
only shipping seats on NEW bikes and NOT for individual seat
purchasers. Their own web site says 2 to 3 weeks. I've been waiting
for TWO MONTHS!! I've sent emails to RANS with NO response. My LBS
says they've never seen such shabby treatment from a vendor before.

Anyone else have these kind of issues with RANS?

Landonman

I guess I got lucky. I ordered a shortstop seat and received it the
next week. But maybe they had more of those available than the Zephyr
seats.

Small companies take longer sometimes.

To get craftsmanship you often have to go small. To get 'bents at all ya gotta
go small.

Rivendell upright customers wait many months very often even for production
bikes.

They should be able to email you, though.

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landon2 said:

What's up with RANS? I ordered a new Zephyr seat from RANS thru my LBS
on February 21st, and RANS says they won't ship for another two to three
weeks or longer. The first excuse was that they were waiting on the seat
fabric (which was due mid March). After many calls and no responses, the
shop got the second excuse for not shipping- they were only shipping
seats on NEW bikes and NOT for individual seat purchasers. Their own web
site says 2 to 3 weeks. I've been waiting for TWO MONTHS!! I've sent
emails to RANS with NO response. My LBS says they've never seen such
shabby treatment from a vendor before.
Anyone else have these kind of issues with RANS?
Landonman

I ordered a Force 5 LE thru a dealer back in February, At that time,
RANS would not commit to a week or even a month of delivery. I sent an
E-mail with a question on the bike, and never got a reply. Their website
provides no information on what is going on , which I'm sure many people
are wondering with all the buildup they had to this bike. Recently, I
called RANS and was told the LE needs a part that they don't expect to
have until mid June. I'll let you know if I ever get the bike.

--

Landoman,

John Schlitter, the heart and sole of RANS, left to start Bachetta.

I had seat issues with a 2002 Rocket and RANS lied to me.

I think RANS has a slug of problems and public relations is # 1.

Perry B

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What's up with RANS? I ordered a new Zephyr seat from RANS thru my LBS
on February 21st, and RANS says they won't ship for another two to
three weeks or longer. The first excuse was that they were waiting on
the seat fabric (which was due mid March). After many calls and no
responses, the shop got the second excuse for not shipping- they were
only shipping seats on NEW bikes and NOT for individual seat
purchasers. Their own web site says 2 to 3 weeks. I've been waiting
for TWO MONTHS!! I've sent emails to RANS with NO response. My LBS
says they've never seen such shabby treatment from a vendor before.

Anyone else have these kind of issues with RANS?

Landonman

landon2 said:

What's up with RANS? I ordered a new Zephyr seat from RANS thru my LBS
on February 21st, and RANS says they won't ship for another two to three
weeks or longer. The first excuse was that they were waiting on the seat
fabric (which was due mid March). After many calls and no responses, the
shop got the second excuse for not shipping- they were only shipping
seats on NEW bikes and NOT for individual seat purchasers. Their own web
site says 2 to 3 weeks. I've been waiting for TWO MONTHS!! I've sent
emails to RANS with NO response. My LBS says they've never seen such
shabby treatment from a vendor before.
Anyone else have these kind of issues with RANS?
Landonman

What's up with RANS? Force 5 LE Issues Update

My bike shop called RANS, and discovered the missing forks had arrived
last Thursday. That said, they would begin painting the frames, and the
bikes would go out to the shops that ordered them. They said it would be
4 to 6 weeks for the one I ordered. Seems they could have simply made a
posting on their website of why the were delayed in the first place.

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What's up with RANS? I ordered a new Zephyr seat from RANS thru my LBS
on February 21st, and RANS says they won't ship for another two to
three weeks or longer. The first excuse was that they were waiting on
the seat fabric (which was due mid March). After many calls and no
responses, the shop got the second excuse for not shipping- they were
only shipping seats on NEW bikes and NOT for individual seat
purchasers. Their own web site says 2 to 3 weeks. I've been waiting
for TWO MONTHS!! I've sent emails to RANS with NO response. My LBS
says they've never seen such shabby treatment from a vendor before.

Anyone else have these kind of issues with RANS?

Landonman

Vision, Bike E and Rans?
I think that they are next on the list of 'bent manufacturers to go
belly up!
The Farce 5 is just there lame way of trying to compete!
I might be totaly wrong but I think that Rans core business is
airplains and I think they will go with that and Nix 'bents.
Time will tell?
And Randy sure has a way with his costomers does he not?

nogoslow said:

Vision, Bike E and Rans?
I think that they are next on the list of 'bent manufacturers to go
belly up!
The Farce 5 is just there lame way of trying to compete!
I might be totaly wrong but I think that Rans core business is
airplains and I think they will go with that and Nix 'bents.
Time will tell?
And Randy sure has a way with his costomers does he not?

What is this "Rans" company? 😉

Recall the large (percentage wise) increase in sales of recumbent from
1997 to 1998 (when the waiting time to purchase a new recumbent was
several months). It appears that several manufacturers assumed that the
same rate of growth in recumbent sales would occur for the next several
years. They signed up many dealers and increased the production
capacity. When recumbent sales leveled off, this left several
manufacturers overextended. [1]

The future of highracer sales is questionable, since most experienced
recumbent riders that are interested in a highracer have already or will
in the near future have purchased one. Additional sales volume will be
low unless the overall recumbent market grows faster than it has the
last few years. This will likely require selling to current upright riders.

[1] As an example, my "2000" RANS Rocket has a 1999 serial number but
the 2000 seat, which indicates that RANS ordered too many 1999 framesets.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad Cities (Illinois Side)

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The future of highracer sales is questionable, since most experienced
recumbent riders that are interested in a highracer have already or will
in the near future have purchased one. Additional sales volume will be
low unless the overall recumbent market grows faster than it has the
last few years. This will likely require selling to current upright riders.

Tom, I agree. I am one of those experienced riders who bought my
highracer last year. As for selling a highracer as a first recumbent
to existing upright riders, I wouldn't bank on that either. The
highracer is not the most friendly bike for a new recumbent rider.
Even for an experienced recumbent rider, the highracer has a learning
curve. A traditional upright rider would have to really be patient
with his/her new highracer.

Jim

I must be missing something that Tom and Jim aren't, because every
indication is that Bacchetta, Volae, Rans and Reynolds are having no trouble
at all selling every high racer they can make. I'm glad the mfr's aren't
buying this [censored].

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The future of highracer sales is questionable, since most experienced
recumbent riders that are interested in a highracer have already or will
in the near future have purchased one. Additional sales volume will be
low unless the overall recumbent market grows faster than it has the
last few years. This will likely require selling to current upright

riders.

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Tom, I agree. I am one of those experienced riders who bought my
highracer last year. As for selling a highracer as a first recumbent
to existing upright riders, I wouldn't bank on that either. The
highracer is not the most friendly bike for a new recumbent rider.
Even for an experienced recumbent rider, the highracer has a learning
curve. A traditional upright rider would have to really be patient
with his/her new highracer.

Jim

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I must be missing something that Tom and Jim aren't, because every
indication is that Bacchetta, Volae, Rans and Reynolds are having no

trouble

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at all selling every high racer they can make. I'm glad the mfr's aren't
buying this [censored].

The manufacturers are selling them this year and maybe next year because
they are something new on the market and recumbent cyclists are getting them
for that reason alone. But unless you grow recumbent cyclists, that pool of
buyers will soon dry up and then maybe by the third or fourth year they
won't sell at all. The fact is that there is only a limited market for
reucmbents of all types and the market for high racers is most likely quite
small. The only ones who will get them are those who want to be fast. Most
recumbent cyclists only want to be comfortable and do not care about being
fast. Now maybe you began to see why this analysis of high racers is not
[censored].

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

Most recumbent cyclists only want to be
comfortable and do not care about being fast.
Now maybe you began to see why this analysis
of high racers is not [censored].

Another triumph of Ed-Logic(tm)! Once again he fails to grasp the fact that
fast and comfortable are not mutually exclusive. Do us all a favour, Ed,
and stop talking bollocks on subjects of which you clearly have no
knowledge.

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Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
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There are many things going on in the industry as a whole. In regards
to parts...and not only Shimano. Manufacturers have been plagued by delays
in product availability from the pacific basin. When you manufacture in
Tiawan or China it is not a direct thing, you use an agent. Often you expect
a shipment and it never arrives even if you got a ship date and a container
manifest. When you call the agent he says "I get back to you" When they do
its more often than not that your shipment was held due to the lack of say a
seat pan, cover or even a reflector set and you were not notified.
Often you order a specific product just to get a substitute that
doesn't work. This has happened with seat mesh in the past. In the RANS
situation, they are playing catch up. IMO their lack of product out the door
is a result of a number of SNAFUs. You get revved up to do a pack and ship
run and the product never shows up. So you try to make as much as you can
in-house and ship as you can. Such is the situation I suspect with the Force
5. I won't see mine which I ordered 2 weeks ago for 4 to 6 weeks more. As a
dealer I never make promises. RANS is not the only one missing deadlines. If
they don't have it to ship. I add at least 2 weeks to the supposed date they
will ship.

Jude

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What's up with RANS? I ordered a new Zephyr seat from RANS thru my LBS
on February 21st, and RANS says they won't ship for another two to
three weeks or longer. The first excuse was that they were waiting on
the seat fabric (which was due mid March). After many calls and no
responses, the shop got the second excuse for not shipping- they were
only shipping seats on NEW bikes and NOT for individual seat
purchasers. Their own web site says 2 to 3 weeks. I've been waiting
for TWO MONTHS!! I've sent emails to RANS with NO response. My LBS
says they've never seen such shabby treatment from a vendor before.

Anyone else have these kind of issues with RANS?

Landonman

Vision, Bike E and Rans?
I think that they are next on the list of 'bent manufacturers to go
belly up!
The Farce 5 is just there lame way of trying to compete!
I might be totaly wrong but I think that Rans core business is
airplains and I think they will go with that and Nix 'bents.
Time will tell?
And Randy sure has a way with his costomers does he not?

Nice to hear from you Jude. The Strada continues to be fast and fun!
Still, I don't quite have the confidence I'd like at intersections. I
just raised the M5 seat a bit to accomodate a more vertical (and less
aero) position. The fact is that I still feel more secure on my
Stratus. Maybe an up specd Velocity Squared would give me some of
what I like about both bikes! You could sell me one couldn't you?

As for the market, I must defer to you here. You sell bikes. I
don't. It just seems to me that when friends check out my bikes, they
sit on the Stratus, climb on the Strada, and go back and ride the
Stratus.

Jim

Hi Jim,
I disagree with you and Tom and I think that you both under estimate
the the ability of riders to adapt to the HighRacer as a first bent. I think
I should know since I have hands on front line knowledge of the who is
buying recumbents outside the the aspects of the newsgroups, BROL and Yahoo
Groups.
I have non-benters hop on the HighRacer and in a few laps are grinning
from ear to ear. HighRacers as they have become known are not as docile as
some, but easily adapted to.
I am in the process of selling a mod . Corsa at a very athletic
gentleman in his mid 60's. First bent. Saturday he rode 40 or so miles on
the demo after learing to handle the bike in the lot and doing laps around
the building. He went off clipped in and loved it.
Conversation yesterday with a gentleman who rides a Trek 5900 and a
Merlin. Fast club rider. He is interested in an AERO and will be here
Saturday.
Recumbents are not for everbody and HRs are not for everyone either.
However, I am experiencing a great deal of interest in the bikes. Wish I had
some Force 5's, but their coming...? Flash in the pan? What do I know? We
will have to wait and see. Jim, How is your M5 Strada treating you. Ready
for an AERO?

Jude

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The future of highracer sales is questionable, since most experienced
recumbent riders that are interested in a highracer have already or will
in the near future have purchased one. Additional sales volume will be
low unless the overall recumbent market grows faster than it has the
last few years. This will likely require selling to current upright

riders.

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Tom, I agree. I am one of those experienced riders who bought my
highracer last year. As for selling a highracer as a first recumbent
to existing upright riders, I wouldn't bank on that either. The
highracer is not the most friendly bike for a new recumbent rider.
Even for an experienced recumbent rider, the highracer has a learning
curve. A traditional upright rider would have to really be patient
with his/her new highracer.

Jim

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Edward Dolan said:

Most recumbent cyclists only want to be
comfortable and do not care about being fast.
Now maybe you began to see why this analysis
of high racers is not [censored].

Another triumph of Ed-Logic(tm)! Once again he fails to grasp the fact

that

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fast and comfortable are not mutually exclusive. Do us all a favour, Ed,
and stop talking bollocks on subjects of which you clearly have no
knowledge.

Those who buy and ride recumbents because they want to be fast and win races
are a different breed than those who buy recumbents and want to ride them
for a bit of recreation and exercise are two different breeds of humans
entirely. The racers are a very small minority and the non-racers are a very
huge majority. Why don't you do us all a favor, Dave, and admit that you
belong to the former group and are biased and prejudiced and have no
perspective on the true dimension of the situation at all.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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Do us all a favour, Ed,
and stop talking bollocks on subjects of which you clearly have no
knowledge.

That would leave him with a series of long, empty days...

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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:53:24 +0100, "Dave Larrington"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Do us all a favour, Ed,
and stop talking bollocks on subjects of which you clearly have no
knowledge.

That would leave him with a series of long, empty days...

Sigh ... nothing to say but still has got to say it. Pardon me while I treat
this newsgroup, especially the English contingent, with the contempt it so
richly deserves.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Mr. Ed Dolan said:

Those who buy and ride recumbents because they want to be fast and win races
are a different breed than those who buy recumbents and want to ride them
for a bit of recreation and exercise are two different breeds of humans
entirely. The racers are a very small minority and the non-racers are a very
huge majority. Why don't you do us all a favor, Dave, and admit that you
belong to the former group and are biased and prejudiced and have no
perspective on the true dimension of the situation at all.

If Mr. Ed paid attention, he would know that Mr. Larrington spends much
more time commuting in London, England on a HP Velotechnik Speedmachine
than racing on an Optima Baron.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad Cities (Illinois Side)