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  1. when an unused muscle group starts being used? What changes take place
    over the first months of someone starting a new resistance exercise,
    like a runner doing a calisthenic routine, light weights, or even
    something aerobic like cross country skiing, rowing or swimming? I
    would think that one of the first changes (that might appear to be
    "mass"😉 would be an increase in glycogen storage by the muscles being
    used (water, salt and glycogen). Maybe an increase in "mass" due to
    increased # of mitochondria, if the excercise was light and aerobic
    enough? Maybe even "increased mass" because of capilarization and the
    resulting blood volume increase?

    Opinion as well as fact welcomed.

  2. having been celibate for extended periods of time...and then suddenly
    having a girlfriend...I can answer this question quite easily.

    oh yeah...i'm the only one who can intimitely relate (pardon the pun)
    to this pronographic question?...puullleeezze.

  3. "gym.gravity" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    when an unused muscle group starts being used? What changes take
    place
    over the first months of someone starting a new resistance exercise,
    like a runner doing a calisthenic routine, light weights, or even
    something aerobic like cross country skiing, rowing or swimming? I
    would think that one of the first changes (that might appear to be
    "mass"😉 would be an increase in glycogen storage by the muscles being
    used (water, salt and glycogen). Maybe an increase in "mass" due to
    increased # of mitochondria, if the excercise was light and aerobic
    enough? Maybe even "increased mass" because of capilarization and the
    resulting blood volume increase?

    Opinion as well as fact welcomed.

    My opinion is that nervous system changes - improved coordination/skill
    at performing the new exercise - are what will happen first, and they
    may be the only things that happen depending on a lot of things.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

  4. Quoted message said:

    having been celibate for extended periods of time...and then suddenly
    having a girlfriend...I can answer this question quite easily.

    oh yeah...i'm the only one who can intimitely relate (pardon the pun)
    to this pronographic question?...puullleeezze.

    Ignore Lanelot, he's a middle-aged virgin.

  5. Steve Freides said:

    "gym.gravity" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    when an unused muscle group starts being used? What changes take
    place
    over the first months of someone starting a new resistance exercise,
    like a runner doing a calisthenic routine, light weights, or even
    something aerobic like cross country skiing, rowing or swimming? I
    would think that one of the first changes (that might appear to be
    "mass"😉 would be an increase in glycogen storage by the muscles being
    used (water, salt and glycogen). Maybe an increase in "mass" due to
    increased # of mitochondria, if the excercise was light and aerobic
    enough? Maybe even "increased mass" because of capilarization and the
    resulting blood volume increase?

    Opinion as well as fact welcomed.

    My opinion is that nervous system changes - improved coordination/skill
    at performing the new exercise - are what will happen first, and they
    may be the only things that happen depending on a lot of things.

    It may depend on which muscles you're talking about. This study found
    a difference between muscles working through a single degree of freedom
    vs those working through multiple degrees of freedom:
    http://jn.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/94/5/3058

    I think I'm about to buy a basic physiology text like "Exercise
    Physiology" by Brooks in order to understand these things better.
    Anyone use his text?

    - bc


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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    when an unused muscle group starts being used? What changes take
    place
    over the first months of someone starting a new resistance exercise,
    like a runner doing a calisthenic routine, light weights, or even
    something aerobic like cross country skiing, rowing or swimming? I
    would think that one of the first changes (that might appear to be
    "mass"😉 would be an increase in glycogen storage by the muscles being
    used (water, salt and glycogen). Maybe an increase in "mass" due to
    increased # of mitochondria, if the excercise was light and aerobic
    enough? Maybe even "increased mass" because of capilarization and the
    resulting blood volume increase?

    Opinion as well as fact welcomed.

    Pain. ;-) First time I ever tried squatting I was flexible and conscientious
    and did a nice heels-down flat-back head-up rock-bottom double with the 45#
    barbell, felt great. Then woke up the next morning and crawled to the bathtub,
    spent the next several days maxing my aspirin intake, hobbling around and taking
    the elevator because stairs hurt too much.

    Good news is, if you keep at it the pain goes away and doesn't come back.

  7. "gym.gravity" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    when an unused muscle group starts being used? What changes take place
    over the first months of someone starting a new resistance exercise,
    like a runner doing a calisthenic routine, light weights, or even
    something aerobic like cross country skiing, rowing or swimming? I
    would think that one of the first changes (that might appear to be
    "mass"😉 would be an increase in glycogen storage by the muscles being
    used (water, salt and glycogen). Maybe an increase in "mass" due to
    increased # of mitochondria, if the excercise was light and aerobic
    enough? Maybe even "increased mass" because of capilarization and the
    resulting blood volume increase?

    Opinion as well as fact welcomed.

    First, that muscle hurts. Then, I continue to work it, and it hurts even
    more. After a week or two, the pain subsides, and as long I wasn't pushing
    things too hard, it settles into the orchestra of circadian workout/recovery
    like all the other muscles in my body. I don't particularly care about
    mass, just performance, so changes in muscle mass are generally
    unnoticeable.

    Dave

  8. Lascivious Mink said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >when an unused muscle group starts being used? What changes take
    >place
    >over the first months of someone starting a new resistance exercise,
    >like a runner doing a calisthenic routine, light weights, or even
    >something aerobic like cross country skiing, rowing or swimming? I
    >would think that one of the first changes (that might appear to be
    >"mass"😉 would be an increase in glycogen storage by the muscles being
    >used (water, salt and glycogen). Maybe an increase in "mass" due to
    >increased # of mitochondria, if the excercise was light and aerobic
    >enough? Maybe even "increased mass" because of capilarization and the
    >resulting blood volume increase?
    >
    >Opinion as well as fact welcomed.

    Pain. ;-) First time I ever tried squatting I was flexible and conscientious
    and did a nice heels-down flat-back head-up rock-bottom double with the 45#
    barbell, felt great. Then woke up the next morning and crawled to the bathtub,
    spent the next several days maxing my aspirin intake, hobbling around and taking
    the elevator because stairs hurt too much.

    Good news is, if you keep at it the pain goes away and doesn't come back.

    Yeah, but you're supposed to add more weight over time you know.

    - bc

  9. "TheBillRodgers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    having been celibate for extended periods of time...and then suddenly
    having a girlfriend...I can answer this question quite easily.

    oh yeah...i'm the only one who can intimitely relate (pardon the pun)
    to this pronographic question?...puullleeezze.

    Ignore Lanelot, he's a middle-aged virgin.

    Not unlike you.

  10. John said:

    Not unlike you.

    I have kids as proof, and pics of Heather the divine one. OTOH,
    Lancelot is black, and that's enough by itself for MFW to organize a
    lynchin' party.

  11. "gym.gravity" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    when an unused muscle group starts being used? What changes take place
    over the first months of someone starting a new resistance exercise,
    like a runner doing a calisthenic routine, light weights, or even
    something aerobic like cross country skiing, rowing or swimming? I
    would think that one of the first changes (that might appear to be
    "mass"😉 would be an increase in glycogen storage by the muscles being
    used (water, salt and glycogen). Maybe an increase in "mass" due to
    increased # of mitochondria, if the excercise was light and aerobic
    enough? Maybe even "increased mass" because of capilarization and the
    resulting blood volume increase?

    Opinion as well as fact welcomed.

    Whenever I do work that my body is unused to, I gain mass, probably, as you
    suggest, from increased glycogen storage. But at other times it can be from
    swelling. I believe this is what happens after ultra-type long runs. I've
    sometimes gained substantial weight in the day or two after such runs, as
    much as 8-10 pounds. It shows up visibly in the legs, but disappears after
    4-5 days.

    -Tony

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    gym.gravity said:

    when an unused muscle group starts being used? What changes take place
    over the first months of someone starting a new resistance exercise,
    like a runner doing a calisthenic routine, light weights, or even
    something aerobic like cross country skiing, rowing or swimming? I
    would think that one of the first changes (that might appear to be
    "mass"😉 would be an increase in glycogen storage by the muscles being
    used (water, salt and glycogen). Maybe an increase in "mass" due to
    increased # of mitochondria, if the excercise was light and aerobic
    enough? Maybe even "increased mass" because of capilarization and the
    resulting blood volume increase?

    Opinion as well as fact welcomed.

    The first change that starts taking place is motor learning or skill
    acquisition. After that it depends upon the duration and intensity of
    the new task. Mitochondria are not an adaptation that is that easy to
    do, as well as capillarization and an number of other physiological
    changes. If mass is increased immediately it is could be due to glycogen
    stores being increased after depletion. If the exercise is unused to and
    strenuous it could also be fluid deposits due to damage done. Shouldn't
    last long, if that is the case.

    --
    Keith

  13. John said:

    Yeah. They're the black milkman's. He probably pulled a tag team on their
    mom while you were jerkin yer gerkin in the closet.

    So that was YOU in there with me. You give good hed man.

  14. What happens is the meat gets too tough to chew. Sincerely, Hannibal

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