What's ideal weight for soemone's hight?

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John E said:

Hi Folks,

Typically, a standard formula calculates your ideal weight based on your
height and age. I find the formula too broad.

Example:

Two 40 year old 5'10 men, one 170 LB and the other 195 LB.
Both look in shape and not overweight at all. One lifts weights
and the other never works out.

If the 195 LB man uses the standard formula, he gets alarmed
that he's about 25LB overweight. If he diets, he'd start losing
muscle. The formula is 25 LB off here.

So, how do you calculate your ideal weight based on your
body structure and not a dumb formula?

A muscular+fat man should lose less weight than just a fat man.

How can I set my weight target if I do weight lifting while LCing
to drop fat?

I can be 25LB off. That's alot of off-ness , if I may.

Thanks,

J.

Maybe go by body fat percentage instead? And, your goal doesn't have to be
set in stone, you can set a preliminary goal and readjust once you get
closer.

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Quoted message said:

Hi Folks,

Typically, a standard formula calculates your ideal weight based on your
height and age. I find the formula too broad.

Example:

Two 40 year old 5'10 men, one 170 LB and the other 195 LB.
Both look in shape and not overweight at all. One lifts weights
and the other never works out.

If the 195 LB man uses the standard formula, he gets alarmed
that he's about 25LB overweight. If he diets, he'd start losing
muscle. The formula is 25 LB off here.

So, how do you calculate your ideal weight based on your
body structure and not a dumb formula?

A muscular+fat man should lose less weight than just a fat man.

How can I set my weight target if I do weight lifting while LCing
to drop fat?

I can be 25LB off. That's alot of off-ness , if I may.

Thanks,

J.

Are you sure you're not looking for an excuse to set a higher weight goal?

As a previous poster suggested, you might want to target body fat
percentage. 15-18% body fat would be a good target for most adult males.
You can get a reasonable estimate of your body fat percentage from this web
site: http://www.he.net/%7Ezone/prothd2.html

Using US averages, the 50th percentile for a 40-year old 5' 10" male is 185
lbs. But, this weight is classified as "Marginally Overweight", or
"Overweight" depending on which interpretation of Body Mass Index you use.

Surveys of personal preferences indicate the "ideal" Body Mass Index* for
men is around a Body Mass Index of 23.6. For a 5' 10" male, this correlates
to a weight of 164.5 lbs. Interestingly, this weight also roughly
corresponds to the "healthiest" Body Mass Index, as determined by a study of
BMI vs. overall mortality (this study** of one million participants, found
that "the nadir of the curve of body-mass index and mortality was at a
body-mass index between 23.5 and 24.9 in men"😉 .

* Note: Body Mass Index is not the same thing as Body Fat Percentage. Body
Mass Index (BMI) is a number that relates weight to height. Body Fat
Percentage is an estimate of the percentage of your body weight that is
composed of fat cells.

** New England Journal of Medicine, Oct. '99, " Body-Mass Index and
Mortality in a Prospective Cohort of U.S. Adults"
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/341/15/1097

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12% bodyfat.

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Quoted message said:

Hi Folks,

Typically, a standard formula calculates your ideal weight based on your
height and age. I find the formula too broad.

Example:

Two 40 year old 5'10 men, one 170 LB and the other 195 LB.
Both look in shape and not overweight at all. One lifts weights
and the other never works out.

If the 195 LB man uses the standard formula, he gets alarmed
that he's about 25LB overweight. If he diets, he'd start losing
muscle. The formula is 25 LB off here.

So, how do you calculate your ideal weight based on your
body structure and not a dumb formula?

A muscular+fat man should lose less weight than just a fat man.

How can I set my weight target if I do weight lifting while LCing
to drop fat?

I can be 25LB off. That's alot of off-ness , if I may.

Thanks,

J.

GaryG said:

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Quoted message said:

Hi Folks,

Typically, a standard formula calculates your ideal weight based on your
height and age. I find the formula too broad.

Example:

Two 40 year old 5'10 men, one 170 LB and the other 195 LB.
Both look in shape and not overweight at all. One lifts weights
and the other never works out.

If the 195 LB man uses the standard formula, he gets alarmed
that he's about 25LB overweight. If he diets, he'd start losing
muscle. The formula is 25 LB off here.

So, how do you calculate your ideal weight based on your
body structure and not a dumb formula?

A muscular+fat man should lose less weight than just a fat man.

How can I set my weight target if I do weight lifting while LCing
to drop fat?

I can be 25LB off. That's alot of off-ness , if I may.

Thanks,

J.

Are you sure you're not looking for an excuse to set a higher weight
goal?

As a previous poster suggested, you might want to target body fat
percentage. 15-18% body fat would be a good target for most adult males.
You can get a reasonable estimate of your body fat percentage from this
web
site: http://www.he.net/%7Ezone/prothd2.html

Using US averages, the 50th percentile for a 40-year old 5' 10" male is
185
lbs. But, this weight is classified as "Marginally Overweight", or
"Overweight" depending on which interpretation of Body Mass Index you
use.

Surveys of personal preferences indicate the "ideal" Body Mass Index* for
men is around a Body Mass Index of 23.6. For a 5' 10" male, this
correlates
to a weight of 164.5 lbs. Interestingly, this weight also roughly
corresponds to the "healthiest" Body Mass Index, as determined by a
study of
BMI vs. overall mortality (this study** of one million participants,
found
that "the nadir of the curve of body-mass index and mortality was at a
body-mass index between 23.5 and 24.9 in men"😉 .

* Note: Body Mass Index is not the same thing as Body Fat Percentage.
Body
Mass Index (BMI) is a number that relates weight to height. Body Fat
Percentage is an estimate of the percentage of your body weight that is
composed of fat cells.

** New England Journal of Medicine, Oct. '99, " Body-Mass Index and
Mortality in a Prospective Cohort of U.S. Adults"
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/341/15/1097

But BMI is basically useless. Because I'm muscular, at the lowest weight
I've ever weighed (where I was ripped enough to see the veins in my arms
and individual muscles in my thighs), I was overweight by BMI. Go by
bodyfat percentage.

--
Bob in CT

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12% bodyfat.

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I think that's a good objective for a man; probably quite a bit higher for a
woman.

There are tables for men and women and a discussion of the subject at:

http://www.healthchecksystems.com/bodyfat.htm

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"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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12% bodyfat.

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I think that's a good objective for a man; probably quite a bit higher for
a woman.

Carmen said:

Hi,

Bob M said:

But BMI is basically useless. Because I'm muscular, at the lowest
weight I've ever weighed (where I was ripped enough to see the veins
in my
arms and individual muscles in my thighs), I was overweight by BMI.
Go
by bodyfat percentage.

Ahem. JPEGS please. ;-)

Take care,
Carmen

When I was younger...;-). Unfortunately, multiple injuries (partially
torn rotator cuff, biceps tendinitis, perineal tendon (sp?) -- ankle --
injury, etc.) have limited me, even though I think I still have almost as
much muscle, EXCEPT for upper body, where my shoulder injuries have
hampered my development. My chest, for instance, is nowhere near what it
used to be, but I'm as strong or stronger in leg strength (though, again,
I have to worry about reinjuring my ankle). I will post pictures one of
these days, though.

--
Bob in CT

Hi,

Bob M said:

But BMI is basically useless. Because I'm muscular, at the lowest
weight I've ever weighed (where I was ripped enough to see the veins
in my
arms and individual muscles in my thighs), I was overweight by BMI.
Go
by bodyfat percentage.

Ahem. JPEGS please. ;-)

Take care,
Carmen
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JC Der Koenig said:

12% bodyfat.

HEALTHY RANGE OF BODY FAT

AGE (Years) Males Females
18 - 39 21 - 32% 8 - 19%
40 - 59 23 - 33% 11 - 21%
60 - 79 24 - 35% 13 - 24%

I like the three answers you already have, but in that context, may I
suggest that your ideal weight cannot be projected. Your plan includes a
variable amount of extra muscle from muscle building.

May I suggest planning to lose weight to a BMI of around 25, and then
getting a test of your body fat percentage. Then re-estimate your weight
goal to shoot for the 12% body fat that JC cited.

My HMO (Kaiser) has a test that uses an IR transducer to measure body fat
percentage.

Your stats are not in Robochallenge.

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Quoted message said:

Hi Folks,

Typically, a standard formula calculates your ideal weight based on your
height and age. I find the formula too broad.

Example:

Two 40 year old 5'10 men, one 170 LB and the other 195 LB.
Both look in shape and not overweight at all. One lifts weights
and the other never works out.

If the 195 LB man uses the standard formula, he gets alarmed
that he's about 25LB overweight. If he diets, he'd start losing
muscle. The formula is 25 LB off here.

So, how do you calculate your ideal weight based on your
body structure and not a dumb formula?

A muscular+fat man should lose less weight than just a fat man.

How can I set my weight target if I do weight lifting while LCing
to drop fat?

I can be 25LB off. That's alot of off-ness , if I may.

Thanks,

J.

Hi,
On 20-Jan-2005, Ignoramus1606 <[email hidden]>

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I have yet to see any table that is more senseless.

At 33% bodyfat, the person is usually awfully out of shape and
obese.

And you say it is in the ideal range?

First off, the male and female columns are clearly reversed.
The Bunkster didn't proof it before he copied it.

Take care,
Carmen

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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:09:08 -0800, Bunky42 <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

JC Der Koenig said:

12% bodyfat.

HEALTHY RANGE OF BODY FAT

AGE (Years) Males Females
18 - 39 21 - 32% 8 - 19%
40 - 59 23 - 33% 11 - 21%
60 - 79 24 - 35% 13 - 24%

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Quoted message said:

First off, the male and female columns are clearly reversed.
The Bunkster didn't proof it before he copied it.

Take care,
Carmen

Still wouldn't make any sense if you reversed the male/female columns

Hello,

Bob M said:

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:04:50 GMT, Carmen <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Hi,

Bob M said:

But BMI is basically useless. Because I'm muscular, at the
lowest weight I've ever weighed (where I was ripped enough to see
the
veins in my arms and individual muscles in my thighs), I was
overweight by
BMI. Go by bodyfat percentage.

Ahem. JPEGS please. ;-)

When I was younger...;-). Unfortunately, multiple injuries
(partially torn rotator cuff, biceps tendinitis, perineal tendon
(sp?) -- ankle
-- injury, etc.) have limited me, even though I think I still have
almost as much muscle, EXCEPT for upper body, where my shoulder
injuries have
hampered my development. My chest, for instance, is nowhere near
what it used to be, but I'm as strong or stronger in leg strength
(though,
again, I have to worry about reinjuring my ankle). I will post
pictures
one of these days, though.

That'd be nice. I was teasing in context, but I do like to have a
face to go with longtime posters. I picture you as somewhat under
average height, bulldog build and looking somewhat like Norm Abrams
from the New Yankee Workshop. Why? I don't know, that's just what my
brain supplied. :-)

Take care,
Carmen

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Hello,

Anthony said:

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First off, the male and female columns are clearly reversed.
The Bunkster didn't proof it before he copied it.

Still wouldn't make any sense if you reversed the male/female
columns

That one doesn't differentiate as far as how desirable the part of the
range a person exhibits personally is. This one does:
http://adiet4health.com/nutribase/bfchart.htm

Take care,
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Hi again,
The charts below take age into consideration as well as gender:
http://www.musclemaster.net/body-fat-percentage.html

Take care,
Carmen
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Hi again,
The charts below take age into consideration as well as gender:
http://www.musclemaster.net/body-fat-percentage.html

Take care,
Carmen
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Hello,

This link figures your body fat percentage by your measurements and then
gives you an ideal weight to use as a guideline.

http://www.he.net/~zone/prothd2.html

Julie

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:19:10 -0500, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

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Carmen wrote:

:: That'd be nice. I was teasing in context, but I do like to have a
:: face to go with longtime posters. I picture you as somewhat under
:: average height, bulldog build and looking somewhat like Norm Abrams
:: from the New Yankee Workshop. Why? I don't know, that's just what
:: my brain supplied. :-)

That's a bit scary.....

That is! (Although I like Norm, but I don't do Plaid.) I am about
average height (5' 8"😉. Brown hair, brown eyes, clean shaven. Good sense
of humor. Comfortable in tuxes or jeans. Hmmm...I think this is
denigrating into a personal! (And, I actually hate getting dressed up,
too.)

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Carmen wrote:

:: That'd be nice. I was teasing in context, but I do like to have a
:: face to go with longtime posters. I picture you as somewhat under
:: average height, bulldog build and looking somewhat like Norm Abrams
:: from the New Yankee Workshop. Why? I don't know, that's just what
:: my brain supplied. :-)

That's a bit scary.....

Hi,

Roger Zoul said:

Carmen wrote:

:: That'd be nice. I was teasing in context, but I do like to have
a
:: face to go with longtime posters. I picture you as somewhat
under
:: average height, bulldog build and looking somewhat like Norm
Abrams
:: from the New Yankee Workshop. Why? I don't know, that's just
what
:: my brain supplied. :-)

That's a bit scary.....

Really? Why? Norm Abram(s) (?) is talented and useful and cute in a
cheek-pinchable way. :-)

Take care,
Carmen

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