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  1. What's eating Stephen Barrett?
    by Burton Goldberg
    July 1998
    Alternative Medicine Digest

    He says he's using science to protect the public from expensive fad
    diagnoses, but if this "quackbuster" has his way, the public will have
    no recourse but conventional medicine for their health problems.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    RECENTLY, I set myself the exercise of trying to understand what
    motivates a self­proclaimed "quackbuster" to write a book debunking an
    entire field of medicine. A "quackbuster," as we've come to know over
    the years, is someone who is dedicated to casting aspersions on
    alternative medicine, regardless of whether there is any factual
    basis. As alternative medicine continues to grow more popular – an
    estimated 42% of Americans now use it – the "quackbusters" are growing
    more clamorous in their denunciations of our field. They have to be –
    they're almost a minority view.

    Highly visible among these self­appointed "quackbusters" is Stephen
    Barrett, M.D., a retired psychiatrist, author of numerous books, and
    spokesman for the "Quackwatch" community. In his latest book, Chemical
    Sensitivity: The Truth About Environmental Illness, coauthored with
    Ronald E. Gots, M.D., Ph.D (Prometheus Books, 1998), Barrett goes
    after all the illness categories for which diet and chemical exposure
    are "falsely blamed."

    Multiple chemical sensitivity, sick building syndrome, food­related
    hyperactivity, mercury amalgam toxicity, candidiasis hyperactivity,
    Gulf War syndrome – these are all costly misbeliefs and fad diagnoses,
    says Barrett. "Many Americans believe that exposure to common foods
    and chemicals makes them ill," he says. "This book is about people who
    hold such beliefs but are wrong."

    Not only are patients wrong, Barrett says, they are "financially
    exploited as well as mistreated." They are duped by "far­fetched"
    notions and "dubious claims," by headline-crazed media and "toxic
    television," and by "physicians who use questionable diagnostic and
    treatment methods."

    Patients presume they are being made allergic or toxic or even being
    poisoned by the mass of modern chemicals, cosmetics, cleaning agents,
    drugs, and other human-made substances. They are mistaken, says
    Barrett. Their misbeliefs are especially hard to understand, Barrett
    says, "at a time when our food supply is the world's safest and our
    antipollution program is the best we've ever had."

    Patients' symptoms are mental (psychosomatic) in origin – "they react
    to stress by developing multiple symptoms." Their symptoms are not
    caused by chemicals or dietary factors, he says. In fact, Barrett
    suggests that some patients are "hysterical," others are "paranoid,"
    and the rest have "certain psychological factors" that "predispose"
    them to "develop symptoms" and to seek out "questionable" doctors
    (meaning alternative medicine practitioners) who will attach a ("not
    scientifically recognized"😉 disease label to them.

    Regarding Gulf War syndrome, for example, Barrett declares: "It
    provides a feeding trough for serious scientists, since funding is
    abundant, and for every charlatan with a newsworthy theory." On the
    matter of the dangers of mercury fillings, he states: "The false
    diagnosis of mercury­amalgam toxicity is potentially very harmful and
    reflects extremely poor judgment."

    For the most part, of the illnesses listed above, nearly all are mere
    "labels" rather than legitimate illness conditions, asserts Barrett;
    they're not caused by foods or chemicals; there are no "scientific""
    studies conclusively proving the association of diet, chemicals, and
    illness; and we are best advised to dismiss them out of hand, he says.

    In most cases and for most of the illnesses commonly associated with
    chemical sensitivity, Barrett says the mass of mistaken patients would
    be better off seeking "mental help" from a psychiatrist or other
    "mental health practitioner." Alternative medicine physicians and
    especially "clinical ecologists" (the old name for practitioners of
    environmental medicine, which links exposures to toxic substances with
    health conditions) should be chastised, investigated, put on notice,
    and if possible, put out of business, says Barrett.

    Most of what Barrett claims can be refuted, easily and decisively.
    That's not my intention here. I'm more interested in looking at the
    bigger picture – what is Barrett really saying amidst his quackbusting
    bluster, and why?

    Barrett appears to be saying that the typical American patient is
    stupid, hysterical or paranoid, easily duped, and generally incapable
    of making a rational, correct medical decision on their own. The
    patient is mistaken and wrong in thinking their multiple symptoms have
    any connection to the foods they eat or the environmental chemicals to
    which they are exposed. The media is irresponsible and not to be
    trusted as an information source about medicine, especially about
    alternatives. Doctors who practice alternative medicine are
    unscientific, opportunistic frauds or quacks, peddling flawed or junk
    science

    So who can you turn to – who is not on Barrett's hit list?
    Conventional doctors. Barrett doesn't say this outright, but it's the
    only logical conclusion. His message is the old and familiar one from
    the l950s: the (conventional) doctor knows best.

    I next pondered what could be the purpose of this book. What could be
    the result of debunking the connection between foods, chemicals,
    cosmetics, and drugs with the varieties of environmental illness
    (mentioned above) now afflicting millions of patients. Why does
    Barrett (and his colleagues) so dislike alternative medicine? What's
    eating him that he must disparage the field at every opportunity?

    The purpose has to be this: to corral this mass of suffering
    "confused" patients into the treatment pen of conventional medicine.
    But here Barrett's rationale collapses. The patients end up with
    nothing.

    Surely no person suffering unexplained allergies or general toxicity
    wants to be told they're stupid, mistaken, and ought to have their
    head examined. And surely no patient who has abandoned conventional
    medicine (because the one or two dozen doctors they consulted hadn't a
    clue as to how to help them) would be interested in Barrett's thesis.
    It is genuinely hard to imagine how a suffering patient could actually
    be persuaded by Barrett to dismiss alternative approaches when the
    conventional ones were not useful, or even worse, were harmful.

    But let's say, despite these reservations, patients allowed themselves
    to be herded into Barrett's allopathic corral. There would be nothing
    there for them. Conventional medicine has no cure or treatment for
    these illnesses. In fact, as Barrett repeatedly points out, for the
    most part, conventional medicine does not even validate the existence
    of these illness categories and regards a diagnosis of such illnesses
    as bogus medicine. Of course, Barrett does offer patients "mental
    help."

    Let's look at this set­up carefully. Barrett and his "quackbusting"
    colleagues say they are working to protect the public against health
    frauds. They don't want the public to waste its money on "sham"
    treatments that don't work. The false labels of multiple chemical
    sensitivity, environmental illness, and the rest, do the public a
    "disservice," Barrett says, and seeking treatment for these wastes the
    financial resources of insurance companies, employers, and other third
    party reimbursers.

    But since conventional medicine has nothing to offer patients who
    "believe" they are suffering physical distress from these conditions,
    the patients, in effect, are left on their own to suffer some more.
    Barrett's plan seems to be to corral these misguided patients into the
    conventional medicine pen so he can dissuade them of their mistaken
    notions regarding their illness and make them "see" that it's all
    psychosomatic.

    Clearly the patients do not benefit at all from this scenario, so who
    does? The makers of drugs, petrochemicals, cosmetics, synthetic food
    additives, pesticides, prepared foods – in short, the massive food and
    chemical industry of North America benefits. They are no longer held
    accountable as causal factors in multiple symptom illnesses. They are
    let off the hook. They can proceed with business as usual. There are
    no poisons in their products. (See the cartoon about "quackbusters" by
    Harley Schwadron in "The Politics of Medicine" section, this issue, p.
    106.)

    In the paradox of "quackbusting," the quackbusters say they're
    protecting public health, but in fact, they're abandoning the public
    to their own suffering to protect the financial interests of
    conventional medicine, which has no interest in or ability to produce
    benefits for these conditions. The "quackbusters" say they're serving
    the public, but the truth is they're grossly disserving patients.
    Thanks to Barrett's remarkable chemical insensitivity, a great many
    patients will be left to suffer on their own without any diagnosis or
    treatment, except perhaps another round of Prozac on the house.

    Reproduced with permission
    Alternative Medicine Digest, July 1998
    ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE ONLINE

  2. "Ilena Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    What's eating Stephen Barrett?
    by Burton Goldberg
    July 1998
    Alternative Medicine Digest

    He says he's using science to protect the public from expensive fad
    diagnoses, but if this "quackbuster" has his way, the public will have
    no recourse but conventional medicine for their health problems.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------


    ------

    Quoted message said:


    RECENTLY, I set myself the exercise of trying to understand what
    motivates a self­proclaimed "quackbuster" to write a book debunking an
    entire field of medicine. A "quackbuster," as we've come to know over
    the years, is someone who is dedicated to casting aspersions on
    alternative medicine, regardless of whether there is any factual
    basis. As alternative medicine continues to grow more popular - an
    estimated 42% of Americans now use it - the "quackbusters" are growing
    more clamorous in their denunciations of our field. They have to be -
    they're almost a minority view.

    Highly visible among these self­appointed "quackbusters" is Stephen
    Barrett, M.D., a retired psychiatrist, author of numerous books, and
    spokesman for the "Quackwatch" community. In his latest book, Chemical
    Sensitivity: The Truth About Environmental Illness, coauthored with
    Ronald E. Gots, M.D., Ph.D (Prometheus Books, 1998), Barrett goes
    after all the illness categories for which diet and chemical exposure
    are "falsely blamed."

    Multiple chemical sensitivity, sick building syndrome, food­related
    hyperactivity, mercury amalgam toxicity, candidiasis hyperactivity,
    Gulf War syndrome - these are all costly misbeliefs and fad diagnoses,
    says Barrett. "Many Americans believe that exposure to common foods
    and chemicals makes them ill," he says. "This book is about people who
    hold such beliefs but are wrong."

    Not only are patients wrong, Barrett says, they are "financially
    exploited as well as mistreated." They are duped by "far­fetched"
    notions and "dubious claims," by headline-crazed media and "toxic
    television," and by "physicians who use questionable diagnostic and
    treatment methods."

    Patients presume they are being made allergic or toxic or even being
    poisoned by the mass of modern chemicals, cosmetics, cleaning agents,
    drugs, and other human-made substances. They are mistaken, says
    Barrett. Their misbeliefs are especially hard to understand, Barrett
    says, "at a time when our food supply is the world's safest and our
    antipollution program is the best we've ever had."

    Patients' symptoms are mental (psychosomatic) in origin - "they react
    to stress by developing multiple symptoms." Their symptoms are not
    caused by chemicals or dietary factors, he says. In fact, Barrett
    suggests that some patients are "hysterical," others are "paranoid,"
    and the rest have "certain psychological factors" that "predispose"
    them to "develop symptoms" and to seek out "questionable" doctors
    (meaning alternative medicine practitioners) who will attach a ("not
    scientifically recognized"😉 disease label to them.

    Regarding Gulf War syndrome, for example, Barrett declares: "It
    provides a feeding trough for serious scientists, since funding is
    abundant, and for every charlatan with a newsworthy theory." On the
    matter of the dangers of mercury fillings, he states: "The false
    diagnosis of mercury­amalgam toxicity is potentially very harmful and
    reflects extremely poor judgment."

    For the most part, of the illnesses listed above, nearly all are mere
    "labels" rather than legitimate illness conditions, asserts Barrett;
    they're not caused by foods or chemicals; there are no "scientific""
    studies conclusively proving the association of diet, chemicals, and
    illness; and we are best advised to dismiss them out of hand, he says.

    In most cases and for most of the illnesses commonly associated with
    chemical sensitivity, Barrett says the mass of mistaken patients would
    be better off seeking "mental help" from a psychiatrist or other
    "mental health practitioner." Alternative medicine physicians and
    especially "clinical ecologists" (the old name for practitioners of
    environmental medicine, which links exposures to toxic substances with
    health conditions) should be chastised, investigated, put on notice,
    and if possible, put out of business, says Barrett.

    Most of what Barrett claims can be refuted, easily and decisively.
    That's not my intention here. I'm more interested in looking at the
    bigger picture - what is Barrett really saying amidst his quackbusting
    bluster, and why?

    Barrett appears to be saying that the typical American patient is
    stupid, hysterical or paranoid, easily duped, and generally incapable
    of making a rational, correct medical decision on their own. The
    patient is mistaken and wrong in thinking their multiple symptoms have
    any connection to the foods they eat or the environmental chemicals to
    which they are exposed. The media is irresponsible and not to be
    trusted as an information source about medicine, especially about
    alternatives. Doctors who practice alternative medicine are
    unscientific, opportunistic frauds or quacks, peddling flawed or junk
    science

    So who can you turn to - who is not on Barrett's hit list?
    Conventional doctors. Barrett doesn't say this outright, but it's the
    only logical conclusion. His message is the old and familiar one from
    the l950s: the (conventional) doctor knows best.

    I next pondered what could be the purpose of this book. What could be
    the result of debunking the connection between foods, chemicals,
    cosmetics, and drugs with the varieties of environmental illness
    (mentioned above) now afflicting millions of patients. Why does
    Barrett (and his colleagues) so dislike alternative medicine? What's
    eating him that he must disparage the field at every opportunity?

    The purpose has to be this: to corral this mass of suffering
    "confused" patients into the treatment pen of conventional medicine.
    But here Barrett's rationale collapses. The patients end up with
    nothing.

    Surely no person suffering unexplained allergies or general toxicity
    wants to be told they're stupid, mistaken, and ought to have their
    head examined. And surely no patient who has abandoned conventional
    medicine (because the one or two dozen doctors they consulted hadn't a
    clue as to how to help them) would be interested in Barrett's thesis.
    It is genuinely hard to imagine how a suffering patient could actually
    be persuaded by Barrett to dismiss alternative approaches when the
    conventional ones were not useful, or even worse, were harmful.

    But let's say, despite these reservations, patients allowed themselves
    to be herded into Barrett's allopathic corral. There would be nothing
    there for them. Conventional medicine has no cure or treatment for
    these illnesses.

    Firstly, there is no evidence whatsoever that alternative medicine has a
    cure or treatment for such illnesses. It probably makes a lot of those who
    think they have MCS worse, by encouraging the extreme avoidance and
    elimination measures some such patients employ. Social isolation and
    malnutrition can ensue.

    Secondly, the better alternative practitioners are well aware that such
    illnesses are largely perpetuated by psychological factors. One who
    specialises in this field told me of one of her patients where she had to
    change rooms three times during her consultation because of perceived odours
    despite the practitioner's necessarily pristine practising environment.

    She agreed with me that it is mostly a psychosomatic condition. Taking a
    "holistic" approach to the illness is a merely polite way of saying the
    same, allowing the practitioner to approach psychological aspects in a
    less threatening manner. Good doctors do the same..

    Lastly, doctors have had considerable success with such patients by
    demonstrating that many or most of the supposed chemical senstivities are
    spurious, through blinded exposures. That offers more hope of real cure
    for the patient than the prospect that they are going to be forever tortured
    by chemicals, or that they are going to always have to take stacks of herbs
    and supplements .and chelate in order to -------- well, it is never made
    clear what taking additional chemicals is going to do for this condition.

    This is not to say that real sensitivies to individual chemicals can occur.
    Those labelled as MCS have different characteristics.

    Peter Moran

  3. "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Ilena Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    But let's say, despite these reservations, patients allowed themselves
    to be herded into Barrett's allopathic corral. There would be nothing
    there for them. Conventional medicine has no cure or treatment for
    these illnesses.

    Firstly, there is no evidence whatsoever that alternative medicine has a
    cure or treatment for such illnesses. It probably makes a lot of those


    who

    Quoted message said:

    think they have MCS worse, by encouraging the extreme avoidance and
    elimination measures some such patients employ. Social isolation and
    malnutrition can ensue.

    Actutally many current conventional treatments started out as folk medicine
    ( herbal, alternatives ) and there is evidence of some basic principles in
    'unconventional' schools of medicine. There is no advantage in narrowing the
    field of choice into one rigid base which has been shown over and over to be
    motivated by profit margins, more than health issues. And the patient has to
    be involved in his own health and that should involve freedom of choice to
    determine what works best for him. Self styled authorities like Barrett do
    more harm than the people he claims to be saving us from.

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ilena Rose said:

    What's eating Stephen Barrett?
    by Burton Goldberg
    July 1998
    Alternative Medicine Digest

    Perhaps he's outraged by the bogus treatments and unproven "remedies"
    sold by altie scammers who prey on desperate patients?

    [Snip]

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  5. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What's eating Stephen Barrett?
    From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/5/2004 1:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id:
    <[email hidden]>

    "Ilena Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    What's eating Stephen Barrett?
    by Burton Goldberg
    July 1998
    Alternative Medicine Digest

    He says he's using science to protect the public from expensive fad
    diagnoses, but if this "quackbuster" has his way, the public will have
    no recourse but conventional medicine for their health problems.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------


    ------

    Quoted message said:


    RECENTLY, I set myself the exercise of trying to understand what
    motivates a self­proclaimed "quackbuster" to write a book debunking an
    entire field of medicine. A "quackbuster," as we've come to know over
    the years, is someone who is dedicated to casting aspersions on
    alternative medicine, regardless of whether there is any factual
    basis. As alternative medicine continues to grow more popular - an
    estimated 42% of Americans now use it - the "quackbusters" are growing
    more clamorous in their denunciations of our field. They have to be -
    they're almost a minority view.

    Highly visible among these self­appointed "quackbusters" is Stephen
    Barrett, M.D., a retired psychiatrist, author of numerous books, and
    spokesman for the "Quackwatch" community. In his latest book, Chemical
    Sensitivity: The Truth About Environmental Illness, coauthored with
    Ronald E. Gots, M.D., Ph.D (Prometheus Books, 1998), Barrett goes
    after all the illness categories for which diet and chemical exposure
    are "falsely blamed."

    Multiple chemical sensitivity, sick building syndrome, food­related
    hyperactivity, mercury amalgam toxicity, candidiasis hyperactivity,
    Gulf War syndrome - these are all costly misbeliefs and fad diagnoses,
    says Barrett. "Many Americans believe that exposure to common foods
    and chemicals makes them ill," he says. "This book is about people who
    hold such beliefs but are wrong."

    Not only are patients wrong, Barrett says, they are "financially
    exploited as well as mistreated." They are duped by "far­fetched"
    notions and "dubious claims," by headline-crazed media and "toxic
    television," and by "physicians who use questionable diagnostic and
    treatment methods."

    Patients presume they are being made allergic or toxic or even being
    poisoned by the mass of modern chemicals, cosmetics, cleaning agents,
    drugs, and other human-made substances. They are mistaken, says
    Barrett. Their misbeliefs are especially hard to understand, Barrett
    says, "at a time when our food supply is the world's safest and our
    antipollution program is the best we've ever had."

    Patients' symptoms are mental (psychosomatic) in origin - "they react
    to stress by developing multiple symptoms." Their symptoms are not
    caused by chemicals or dietary factors, he says. In fact, Barrett
    suggests that some patients are "hysterical," others are "paranoid,"
    and the rest have "certain psychological factors" that "predispose"
    them to "develop symptoms" and to seek out "questionable" doctors
    (meaning alternative medicine practitioners) who will attach a ("not
    scientifically recognized"😉 disease label to them.

    Regarding Gulf War syndrome, for example, Barrett declares: "It
    provides a feeding trough for serious scientists, since funding is
    abundant, and for every charlatan with a newsworthy theory." On the
    matter of the dangers of mercury fillings, he states: "The false
    diagnosis of mercury­amalgam toxicity is potentially very harmful and
    reflects extremely poor judgment."

    For the most part, of the illnesses listed above, nearly all are mere
    "labels" rather than legitimate illness conditions, asserts Barrett;
    they're not caused by foods or chemicals; there are no "scientific""
    studies conclusively proving the association of diet, chemicals, and
    illness; and we are best advised to dismiss them out of hand, he says.

    In most cases and for most of the illnesses commonly associated with
    chemical sensitivity, Barrett says the mass of mistaken patients would
    be better off seeking "mental help" from a psychiatrist or other
    "mental health practitioner." Alternative medicine physicians and
    especially "clinical ecologists" (the old name for practitioners of
    environmental medicine, which links exposures to toxic substances with
    health conditions) should be chastised, investigated, put on notice,
    and if possible, put out of business, says Barrett.

    Most of what Barrett claims can be refuted, easily and decisively.
    That's not my intention here. I'm more interested in looking at the
    bigger picture - what is Barrett really saying amidst his quackbusting
    bluster, and why?

    Barrett appears to be saying that the typical American patient is
    stupid, hysterical or paranoid, easily duped, and generally incapable
    of making a rational, correct medical decision on their own. The
    patient is mistaken and wrong in thinking their multiple symptoms have
    any connection to the foods they eat or the environmental chemicals to
    which they are exposed. The media is irresponsible and not to be
    trusted as an information source about medicine, especially about
    alternatives. Doctors who practice alternative medicine are
    unscientific, opportunistic frauds or quacks, peddling flawed or junk
    science

    So who can you turn to - who is not on Barrett's hit list?
    Conventional doctors. Barrett doesn't say this outright, but it's the
    only logical conclusion. His message is the old and familiar one from
    the l950s: the (conventional) doctor knows best.

    I next pondered what could be the purpose of this book. What could be
    the result of debunking the connection between foods, chemicals,
    cosmetics, and drugs with the varieties of environmental illness
    (mentioned above) now afflicting millions of patients. Why does
    Barrett (and his colleagues) so dislike alternative medicine? What's
    eating him that he must disparage the field at every opportunity?

    The purpose has to be this: to corral this mass of suffering
    "confused" patients into the treatment pen of conventional medicine.
    But here Barrett's rationale collapses. The patients end up with
    nothing.

    Surely no person suffering unexplained allergies or general toxicity
    wants to be told they're stupid, mistaken, and ought to have their
    head examined. And surely no patient who has abandoned conventional
    medicine (because the one or two dozen doctors they consulted hadn't a
    clue as to how to help them) would be interested in Barrett's thesis.
    It is genuinely hard to imagine how a suffering patient could actually
    be persuaded by Barrett to dismiss alternative approaches when the
    conventional ones were not useful, or even worse, were harmful.

    But let's say, despite these reservations, patients allowed themselves
    to be herded into Barrett's allopathic corral. There would be nothing
    there for them. Conventional medicine has no cure or treatment for
    these illnesses.

    Firstly, there is no evidence whatsoever that alternative medicine has a
    cure or treatment for such illnesses. It probably makes a lot of those who
    think they have MCS worse, by encouraging the extreme avoidance and
    elimination measures some such patients employ. Social isolation and
    malnutrition can ensue.

    Peter can't see any evidence unless it comes from organized medicine.

    There *IS* evidence, he denies it.

    http://www.nettally.com/prusty/home.htm
    ===
    Sufferers of Gulf War Syndrome have reported that some of the following
    therapies have helped reduce symptoms and chronic pain:

    Traditional Chinese Medicine - herbs & accupuncture Magnetic Therapy
    (specifically mattress pads) Kumbucha Tea Meditation and Visualization
    Chiropractic Therapeutic Massage Bio Feedback Homeopathy Vitamins & Nutritional
    Supplements

    http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/index.html

    I. DENTAL AMALGAM FILLINGS PAGE- documents high common mercury exposure levels
    from dental amalgam fillings; and common adverse health effects on people and
    dental staff; plus results of 60,000 clinical cases of significant improvements
    to chronic conditions after amalgam replacement and treatment- as followed and
    documented by doctors; plus environmental effects of amalgam that affect
    everyone.
    (over 1500 peer-reviewed medical study or Gov't Agency references documenting
    mechanisms by which mercury from amalgam causes over 30
    chronic health conditions)

    http://www.lichtenberg.dk/experience_after_amalgam_removal.htm

    http://www.lichtenberg.dk/symptoms_before_and_after_proper.htm

    http://www.rmdentalcentre.com/article.cfm?artid=4&catid=1

    http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Dentistry/burrow45.htm

    http://www.notdoctors.com/mercfill.html

    http://www.geocities.com/toothk/bernieref1.html

    http://tinyurl.com/ywbo

    http://www.web-light.nl/AMALGAM/EN/frame_r.html#V

    http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Dentist/crawford76.htm

    http://www.cqs.com/amalgam.htm

    http://www.web-light.nl/AMALGAM/EN/frame_r.html#V

    http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Dentist/crawford76.htm

    http://www.cqs.com/amalgam.htm

    http://www.web-light.nl/AMALGAM/EN/frame_r.html#V

    http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Dentist/crawford76.htm

    http://www.cqs.com/amalgam.htm

  6. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What's eating Stephen Barrett?
    From: "Ian St. John" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/5/2004 2:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden].


    com.au...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    "Ilena Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    But let's say, despite these reservations, patients allowed themselves
    to be herded into Barrett's allopathic corral. There would be nothing
    there for them. Conventional medicine has no cure or treatment for
    these illnesses.

    Firstly, there is no evidence whatsoever that alternative medicine has a
    cure or treatment for such illnesses. It probably makes a lot of those


    who

    Quoted message said:

    think they have MCS worse, by encouraging the extreme avoidance and
    elimination measures some such patients employ. Social isolation and
    malnutrition can ensue.

    Actutally many current conventional treatments started out as folk medicine
    ( herbal, alternatives ) and there is evidence of some basic principles in
    'unconventional' schools of medicine. There is no advantage in narrowing the
    field of choice into one rigid base which has been shown over and over to be
    motivated by profit margins, more than health issues. And the patient has to
    be involved in his own health and that should involve freedom of choice to
    determine what works best for him. Self styled authorities like Barrett do
    more harm than the people he claims to be saving us from.

    Indeed!

    Jan

  7. "Ian St. John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    "Ilena Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    But let's say, despite these reservations, patients allowed themselves
    to be herded into Barrett's allopathic corral. There would be nothing
    there for them. Conventional medicine has no cure or treatment for
    these illnesses.

    Firstly, there is no evidence whatsoever that alternative medicine has a
    cure or treatment for such illnesses. It probably makes a lot of those


    who

    Quoted message said:

    think they have MCS worse, by encouraging the extreme avoidance and
    elimination measures some such patients employ. Social isolation and
    malnutrition can ensue.

    Actutally many current conventional treatments started out as folk


    medicine

    Quoted message said:

    ( herbal, alternatives ) and there is evidence of some basic principles in
    'unconventional' schools of medicine. There is no advantage in narrowing


    the

    Quoted message said:

    field of choice into one rigid base which has been shown over and over to


    be

    Quoted message said:

    motivated by profit margins, more than health issues. And the patient has


    to

    Quoted message said:

    be involved in his own health and that should involve freedom of choice to
    determine what works best for him. Self styled authorities like Barrett do
    more harm than the people he claims to be saving us from.

    Talking in generalities about anything to do with medicine is useless.
    The above sounds quite reasonable until you start to ask "what specific
    basic principles" have evidence for them? Does "freedom of choice" operate
    when a fraudulent treatment is being offered along with frank lies as to its
    efficacy? Stick to specifics in any answer.

    Blind Freddie can see that alternative medicine is riddled with fraud and
    delusion, even though much of it is as harmless and "let's pretend" as a
    cosmetic commercial.

    There are a few modalities for important illnesses that may be the subject
    of argument, and which are promoted by reasonably sensible and sincere
    personages. Are they enough to make it unreasonable for Barrett and
    others to be trying to warn or inform people about the rest? Most of what
    Barrett has to say is very moderate and carefully researched. He rarely
    commits himself to outright allegations of quackery, merely giving what
    information he has and only what he can confirm.

    Peter Moran

    Quoted message said:


  8. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What's eating Stephen Barrett?
    From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/5/2004 7:35 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id:
    <[email hidden]>

    "Ian St. John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden].


    com.au...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    "Ilena Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    > But let's say, despite these reservations, patients allowed themselves
    > to be herded into Barrett's allopathic corral. There would be nothing
    > there for them. Conventional medicine has no cure or treatment for
    > these illnesses.

    Firstly, there is no evidence whatsoever that alternative medicine has a
    cure or treatment for such illnesses. It probably makes a lot of those


    who

    Quoted message said:

    think they have MCS worse, by encouraging the extreme avoidance and
    elimination measures some such patients employ. Social isolation and
    malnutrition can ensue.

    Actutally many current conventional treatments started out as folk


    medicine

    Quoted message said:

    ( herbal, alternatives ) and there is evidence of some basic principles in
    'unconventional' schools of medicine. There is no advantage in narrowing


    the

    Quoted message said:

    field of choice into one rigid base which has been shown over and over to


    be

    Quoted message said:

    motivated by profit margins, more than health issues. And the patient has


    to

    Quoted message said:

    be involved in his own health and that should involve freedom of choice to
    determine what works best for him. Self styled authorities like Barrett do
    more harm than the people he claims to be saving us from.

    Talking in generalities about anything to do with medicine is useless.
    The above sounds quite reasonable until you start to ask "what specific
    basic principles" have evidence for them? Does "freedom of choice" operate
    when a fraudulent treatment is being offered along with frank lies as to its
    efficacy? Stick to specifics in any answer.

    Blind Freddie can see that alternative medicine is riddled with fraud and
    delusion, even though much of it is as harmless and "let's pretend" as a
    cosmetic commercial.

    There are a few modalities for important illnesses that may be the subject
    of argument, and which are promoted by reasonably sensible and sincere
    personages. Are they enough to make it unreasonable for Barrett and
    others to be trying to warn or inform people about the rest? Most of what
    Barrett has to say is very moderate and carefully researched. He rarely
    commits himself to outright allegations of quackery, merely giving what
    information he has and only what he can confirm.

    Peter Moran

    Hog wash. The facts are he isn't qualified, is bias and is supported by those
    of EOM.

    He states no fruther research needs done, denies all kinds of real diseases.

    Quack Quack.

    Jab

  9. Orac <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ilena Rose said:

    What's eating Stephen Barrett?
    by Burton Goldberg
    July 1998
    Alternative Medicine Digest



    Perhaps he should be outraged by the bogus Medical treatments and
    unproven "remedies"
    sold by medical scammers who prey on desperate patients?

    Quoted message said:


    [Snip]

    I thought a little rewording was in order.....

  10. I notice Barret attacks Dr Rath for claims about remissions in cancer with
    vitamins, but steers clear away from his claims about heart disease. I
    wonder why?
    Anth

    "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Ian St. John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message



    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    "Ilena Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    > But let's say, despite these reservations, patients allowed


    themselves

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > to be herded into Barrett's allopathic corral. There would be


    nothing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > there for them. Conventional medicine has no cure or treatment for
    > these illnesses.

    Firstly, there is no evidence whatsoever that alternative medicine has


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cure or treatment for such illnesses. It probably makes a lot of


    those

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    who

    Quoted message said:

    think they have MCS worse, by encouraging the extreme avoidance and
    elimination measures some such patients employ. Social isolation


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    malnutrition can ensue.

    Actutally many current conventional treatments started out as folk


    medicine

    Quoted message said:

    ( herbal, alternatives ) and there is evidence of some basic principles


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    'unconventional' schools of medicine. There is no advantage in narrowing


    the

    Quoted message said:

    field of choice into one rigid base which has been shown over and over


    to

    Quoted message said:

    be

    Quoted message said:

    motivated by profit margins, more than health issues. And the patient


    has

    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:

    be involved in his own health and that should involve freedom of choice


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    determine what works best for him. Self styled authorities like Barrett


    do

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    more harm than the people he claims to be saving us from.

    Talking in generalities about anything to do with medicine is useless.
    The above sounds quite reasonable until you start to ask "what specific
    basic principles" have evidence for them? Does "freedom of choice"


    operate

    Quoted message said:

    when a fraudulent treatment is being offered along with frank lies as to


    its

    Quoted message said:

    efficacy? Stick to specifics in any answer.

    Blind Freddie can see that alternative medicine is riddled with fraud and
    delusion, even though much of it is as harmless and "let's pretend" as a
    cosmetic commercial.

    There are a few modalities for important illnesses that may be the subject
    of argument, and which are promoted by reasonably sensible and sincere
    personages. Are they enough to make it unreasonable for Barrett and
    others to be trying to warn or inform people about the rest? Most of


    what

    Quoted message said:

    Barrett has to say is very moderate and carefully researched. He rarely
    commits himself to outright allegations of quackery, merely giving what
    information he has and only what he can confirm.

    Peter Moran

    Quoted message said:


  11. Quoted message said:

    I notice Barret attacks Dr Rath for claims about remissions in cancer with
    vitamins, but steers clear away from his claims about heart disease. I
    wonder why?
    Anth

    Because EOM Pharmaceutical companies make a large % of vitamins and other
    supplements.

    Quoted message said:

    "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]


    s.com.au...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    "Ian St. John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

  12. (Jan) said:

    Hog wash. The facts are he isn't qualified, is bias and is supported by those
    of EOM.

    He states no fruther research needs done, denies all kinds of real diseases.

    Quack Quack.

    Jab

    Says the notorious liar and forger Jan Drew.

    Jan Drew does deeds forbidden by the 10 commandments, like lying or
    bearing false witness.

    For Jan Drew religion is a tool to rule over others. What he, Jan Drew
    wants, Jan Drew declares as the will of god.

    For Jan Drew a god is just a tool, a disguise to use force on other
    people, to make them obey his, Jan Drew's will.

    Jan Drew is a truly evil person.

    More about Jan Drew :

    http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html

    Regards,

    Aribert Deckers
    --
    Wichtiger Hinweis für Forums-Moderatoren, Webmaster und Arbeitslose
    § Strafanzeigen gegen MLM-er §

    http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amaadmin.htm

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (M) said:

    Orac <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ilena Rose said:

    What's eating Stephen Barrett?
    by Burton Goldberg
    July 1998
    Alternative Medicine Digest



    Perhaps he should be outraged by the bogus Medical treatments and
    unproven "remedies"
    sold by medical scammers who prey on desperate patients?

    Quoted message said:


    [Snip]

    I thought a little rewording was in order.....

    Actually, my wording was correct the first time. Perhaps he's outraged
    by the pseudoscientific and pseudomedical "remedies" pushed by alties.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  14. I am surprised he can steer at all anymore.

    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I notice Barret attacks Dr Rath for claims about remissions in cancer with
    vitamins, but steers clear away from his claims about heart disease. I
    wonder why?
    Anth

    "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    "Ian St. John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message




    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    > "Ilena Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <snip>
    > > But let's say, despite these reservations, patients allowed


    themselves

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > to be herded into Barrett's allopathic corral. There would be


    nothing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > there for them. Conventional medicine has no cure or treatment for
    > > these illnesses.
    >
    > Firstly, there is no evidence whatsoever that alternative medicine


    has

    Quoted message said:

    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > cure or treatment for such illnesses. It probably makes a lot of


    those

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    who
    > think they have MCS worse, by encouraging the extreme avoidance and
    > elimination measures some such patients employ. Social isolation


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > malnutrition can ensue.

    Actutally many current conventional treatments started out as folk


    medicine

    Quoted message said:

    ( herbal, alternatives ) and there is evidence of some basic


    principles

    Quoted message said:

    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    'unconventional' schools of medicine. There is no advantage in


    narrowing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the

    Quoted message said:

    field of choice into one rigid base which has been shown over and over


    to

    Quoted message said:

    be

    Quoted message said:

    motivated by profit margins, more than health issues. And the patient


    has

    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:

    be involved in his own health and that should involve freedom of


    choice

    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    determine what works best for him. Self styled authorities like


    Barrett

    Quoted message said:

    do

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    more harm than the people he claims to be saving us from.

    Talking in generalities about anything to do with medicine is useless.
    The above sounds quite reasonable until you start to ask "what specific
    basic principles" have evidence for them? Does "freedom of choice"


    operate

    Quoted message said:

    when a fraudulent treatment is being offered along with frank lies as to


    its

    Quoted message said:

    efficacy? Stick to specifics in any answer.

    Blind Freddie can see that alternative medicine is riddled with fraud


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    delusion, even though much of it is as harmless and "let's pretend" as a
    cosmetic commercial.

    There are a few modalities for important illnesses that may be the


    subject

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of argument, and which are promoted by reasonably sensible and sincere
    personages. Are they enough to make it unreasonable for Barrett and
    others to be trying to warn or inform people about the rest? Most of


    what

    Quoted message said:

    Barrett has to say is very moderate and carefully researched. He rarely
    commits himself to outright allegations of quackery, merely giving what
    information he has and only what he can confirm.

    Peter Moran

    Quoted message said:


  15. Orac <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    (M) said:

    Orac <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Ilena Rose <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > What's eating Stephen Barrett?
    > by Burton Goldberg
    > July 1998
    > Alternative Medicine Digest


    Perhaps he should be outraged by the bogus Medical treatments and
    unproven "remedies"
    sold by medical scammers who prey on desperate patients?

    Quoted message said:


    [Snip]

    I thought a little rewording was in order.....

    Actually, my wording was correct the first time. Perhaps he's outraged
    by the pseudoscientific and pseudomedical "remedies" pushed by alties.

    As was my rewording of your original statement. He should be outraged
    by the pseudoscience and substandard results within his own
    profession.

  16. "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I notice Barret attacks Dr Rath for claims about remissions in cancer with
    vitamins, but steers clear away from his claims about heart disease. I
    wonder why?
    Anth

    The evidence is fairly solidly that vitamin supplementation does not help
    cancer, but the evidence as to whether it helps atherosclerosis is still
    confusing. That is why. Rath is no researcher and certainly has no good
    evidence to show, and the evidence from long term epidemiological studies
    varies. Some show benefit, some even show harm. That is why the medical
    profession is cautious on that issue,

    There is good evidence that a good diet and other behaviours and avoidances
    help atherosclerosis. That creates a problem in interpreting those studies
    that suggest that suppplementation may help. Those who can afford lots of
    vitamins are from higher socioeconomic groups with less risk, and also those
    who take them will be more health-conscious in other behaviours.

    Peter Moran

  17. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What's eating Stephen Barrett?
    From: [email hidden] (M)
    Date: 4/8/2004 11:17 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Orac <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    (M) said:

    Orac <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...
    > In article <[email hidden]>,
    > Ilena Rose <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    > > What's eating Stephen Barrett?
    > > by Burton Goldberg
    > > July 1998
    > > Alternative Medicine Digest
    >
    Perhaps he should be outraged by the bogus Medical treatments and
    unproven "remedies"
    sold by medical scammers who prey on desperate patients?
    >
    > [Snip]

    I thought a little rewording was in order.....

    Actually, my wording was correct the first time. Perhaps he's outraged
    by the pseudoscientific and pseudomedical "remedies" pushed by alties.

    As was my rewording of your original statement. He should be outraged
    by the pseudoscience and substandard results within his own
    profession.

    Yep, and is why his has zero credibility.

    Neither is he qualified.

    Jan

  18. "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I notice Barret attacks Dr Rath for claims about remissions in cancer


    with

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    vitamins, but steers clear away from his claims about heart disease. I
    wonder why?
    Anth

    The evidence is fairly solidly that vitamin supplementation does not help
    cancer, but the evidence as to whether it helps atherosclerosis is still
    confusing. That is why. Rath is no researcher and certainly has no good
    evidence to show, and the evidence from long term epidemiological studies
    varies. Some show benefit, some even show harm. That is why the medical
    profession is cautious on that issue,

    There is good evidence that a good diet and other behaviours and


    avoidances

    Quoted message said:

    help atherosclerosis. That creates a problem in interpreting those


    studies

    Quoted message said:

    that suggest that suppplementation may help. Those who can afford lots


    of

    Quoted message said:

    vitamins are from higher socioeconomic groups with less risk, and also


    those

    Quoted message said:

    who take them will be more health-conscious in other behaviours.

    Peter Moran

    Well in animal models the vitamin/cocktail did prevent atheroclerosis and
    reverse it.
    Anth

  19. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What's eating Stephen Barrett?
    From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/8/2004 12:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id:
    <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    The evidence is fairly solidly that vitamin supplementation does not help
    cancer,

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/318083.stm

    http://www.healthcastle.com/garlic-cancer.shtml

    http://www.healthcastle.com/tea.shtml

    http://www.healthcastle.com/lycopene-prostatecancer.shtml

    http://www.healthcastle.com/benefits-coq10-cancer.shtml

  20. Thanks so much Jan for showing yet again that Quack Inc. will ignore
    all evidence that goes against it's sponsors.

    (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What's eating Stephen Barrett?
    From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/8/2004 12:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id:
    <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    The evidence is fairly solidly that vitamin supplementation does not help
    cancer,

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/318083.stm

    Health

    Vitamin supplements combat cancer

    Vitamins may slow the progress of cancer

    Vitamin supplements may help to slow the progress of some forms of
    cancer, scientists have claimed.
    Several studies presented at a meeting of the American Association for
    Cancer Research show that supplements - ranging from ordinary
    multivitamins to specially formulated vegetable-based capsules - can
    have a positive impact in combating the disease.

    In one study, Dr Omar Kucuk and colleagues at the Barbara Ann Karmanos
    Cancer Institute in Detroit found tomato supplements helped slow
    prostate cancer in men diagnosed with the disease.

    The supplements, made by LycoRed Natural Products in Beersheva,
    Israel, contained lycopene, the chemical that makes tomatoes red.

    Tomatoes contain a cancer-fighting substance
    Lycopene, which survives cooking and is especially concentrated in
    tomato sauce and tomato paste, is a known antioxidant and a member of
    the carotenoid family of nutrients that include beta-carotene and
    vitamin A.

    It cancels out the effects of free radicals, charged particles which
    damage the body's genetic material and can lead to cancer.

    Dr Kucuk's team studied 30 men aged 60 to 80 who had prostate cancer
    and were waiting to have surgery.

    Half received 30 mg of the supplements a day, and half received dummy
    pills.

    Their tumours were then examined after surgery for levels of
    prostate-specific antigen (PSA), a chemical that is produced by
    prostate cancer cells.

    PSA is not only a marker for prostate cancer but can also predict its
    severity.

    The men who took lycopene had lower PSA levels in their tumours, which
    were also smaller than those in men who took the dummy pills.

    Dr Kucuk said: "This shows that lycopene may not only be possibly
    preventive for prostate cancer but may in the future play a role in
    treatment."

    Dr Kucuk said other tomato products in the supplements may also have
    acted on the tumours.

    Head and neck cancer

    In a second study of 135 patients Bruce Trock and colleagues at
    Georgetown University Medical Centre in Washington, found that men who
    took vitamin supplements and later developed head and neck cancer
    experienced a less agressive form of the disease.

    Dr Trock said previous studies had shown 60% of men with head and neck
    cancers - which affect heavy smokers and drinkers and especially
    African-American men - have mutations in a gene called p53, which is
    known to help control the mechanisms that lead to cancer.

    "Those patients who had been regular users of vitamin supplements
    prior to the development of disease had a three-fold reduction in the
    mutation of p53," Dr Trock said.

    When doctors checked to see which patients had taken known
    antioxidants, such as vitamins A, C and E, the effect was even
    stronger, with a four-fold reduction in the mutations.

    Dr Trock said having fewer genetic mutations could translate into a
    milder version of cancer.

    Other studies have shown that the more mutations there are in p53, the
    faster the cancer spreads and the less likely the patient is to
    survive.

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