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  1. stuart wrote, and hits the nail on the head:

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    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Even medicinal ginseng which has had at least 300 studies done on it may

    not

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    be powerful

    Tell you what's wrong Dave. In normal marketing of products you have the
    producer, the distributor, then the retailer.
    Three groups.
    In MLM, sure, the product goes through the same physical chain, but since
    many there are wanna be millionaires who want *others* to make money for
    them, that product *you* sell is tagged such that a percent of the price the
    end user pays goes to the producer, your field marshall, your general, your
    colonel, your major, your captain, your leutenant, your sargeant, your
    corporal, then you.
    It causes the price to be inflated beyond what the value of the product is
    actually worth. This *can* be overcome by the mystique that it is"Only
    available through certain sources" or the hype that usually accompanies
    these health-based products.
    In the end, they are probably no better or worse than any other products,
    just notoriously over-priced.

    Exactly!

  2. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    Even medicinal ginseng which has had at least 300 studies done on it
    may not be powerful enough to overcome a narrow minded view of
    life. We each have the choice in life about how we want to lead
    it. We can take a positive view or a negative view.

    I'm positive that you are a spamming scumbag and of negative value on
    m.h.a. What do I win?

    I'm sure that everyone has their personal view about what your comment
    would
    entitle you to. From me you have my pity.

    Quoted message said:


    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [Snip]

    Quoted message said:

    So, I became a distributor and am building my business, my way and, I
    know you would approve, Jan.

    Question:

    Alties like you and Jan frequently claim that doctors and drug companies
    can't be trusted to give objective advice on treatment because they
    supposedly have a financial interest in certain "conventional"
    treatments as compared to "alternative" treatments. This is frequently
    cited as a reason that some doctors are opposed to alternative medicine,
    is it not? You clearly have a financial interest in selling Ginseng. You
    have admitted as such by telling us about your business. In addition, as
    you admit that you are involved in MLM, you clearly have a financial
    interest not just in selling Ginseng but in getting others to sell
    Ginseng for you. Why, then, shouldn't we conclude exactly the same thing
    about you that alties conclude about doctors and pharmaceutical
    companies? Why shouldn't we conclude that you are incapable of
    objectivity and are therefore hopelessly biased in favor of Ginseng
    because of your financial interest in MLM schemes selling Ginseng
    remedies?

    After all, fair's fair, isn't it? Shouldn't the same standards be
    applied to you as you apply to the "conventional" medical profession?
    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  4. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What is MLM?
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 8/6/2003 2:31 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Dave said:

    Contact me by email and we can chat about you becoming the first


    distributor

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in the U.S.

    <snip>

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    He has learned the
    lesson that everyone you meet is a prospect. Let no opportunity to
    offer the "opportunity" go by.

    Yep, and that is not a bad thing.

    Jan

    Damn hot diggity doggie.
    Jans going into MLMing.
    Now she will waste all her time and money, and leave this news group alone!

    Peace at last!

    To email me,
    Remove "all your clothes"

  5. "Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [Snip]

    Quoted message said:

    So, I became a distributor and am building my business, my way and, I
    know you would approve, Jan.

    Question:

    Alties like you and Jan frequently claim that doctors and drug companies
    can't be trusted to give objective advice on treatment because they
    supposedly have a financial interest in certain "conventional"
    treatments as compared to "alternative" treatments. This is frequently
    cited as a reason that some doctors are opposed to alternative medicine,
    is it not? You clearly have a financial interest in selling Ginseng. You
    have admitted as such by telling us about your business. In addition, as
    you admit that you are involved in MLM, you clearly have a financial
    interest not just in selling Ginseng but in getting others to sell
    Ginseng for you. Why, then, shouldn't we conclude exactly the same thing
    about you that alties conclude about doctors and pharmaceutical
    companies? Why shouldn't we conclude that you are incapable of
    objectivity and are therefore hopelessly biased in favor of Ginseng
    because of your financial interest in MLM schemes selling Ginseng
    remedies?

    After all, fair's fair, isn't it? Shouldn't the same standards be
    applied to you as you apply to the "conventional" medical profession?

    I understand what you are saying, but first of all I don't know what an
    altie is
    and second I have never said that doctors don't give the best advice that
    they
    know. They do. I surely wouldn't presume to speak for Jan, but for my part,
    what I have said is that the motivation of the drug companies is to produce
    a
    good bottom line. Their product line is manufacured from combinations of
    plants,
    herbs and various chemicals. When we use high heat, fillers, coloring, and
    the
    processing to create a pill we alter the natural aspect of the plants and
    herbs.
    The objective of medicine is to relieve the discomfort caused by the
    symptoms
    of a condition or disease, one illness at a time. Medications do not address
    supporting or strengthening our own immune system.

    In the natural way, the most important aspect of the supplement is those
    factors that
    strengthen the bodies own defense systems. In the case of my ginseng, it
    happens
    to do the best job of strengthening the bodies ability to fight of anything
    I know.
    That is the reason that I decided to sell it.

    So, it is unrealistic to apply the same standards to things that have
    different objectives.

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  6. --

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [Snip]

    Quoted message said:

    So, I became a distributor and am building my business, my way and, I
    know you would approve, Jan.

    Question:

    Alties like you and Jan frequently claim that doctors and drug companies
    can't be trusted to give objective advice on treatment because they
    supposedly have a financial interest in certain "conventional"
    treatments as compared to "alternative" treatments. This is frequently
    cited as a reason that some doctors are opposed to alternative medicine,
    is it not? You clearly have a financial interest in selling Ginseng. You
    have admitted as such by telling us about your business. In addition, as
    you admit that you are involved in MLM, you clearly have a financial
    interest not just in selling Ginseng but in getting others to sell
    Ginseng for you. Why, then, shouldn't we conclude exactly the same thing
    about you that alties conclude about doctors and pharmaceutical
    companies? Why shouldn't we conclude that you are incapable of
    objectivity and are therefore hopelessly biased in favor of Ginseng
    because of your financial interest in MLM schemes selling Ginseng
    remedies?

    After all, fair's fair, isn't it? Shouldn't the same standards be
    applied to you as you apply to the "conventional" medical profession?

    I understand what you are saying, but first of all I don't know what an
    altie is
    and second I have never said that doctors don't give the best advice that
    they
    know. They do. I surely wouldn't presume to speak for Jan, but for my


    part,

    Quoted message said:

    what I have said is that the motivation of the drug companies is to


    produce

    Quoted message said:

    a
    good bottom line. Their product line is manufacured from combinations of
    plants,
    herbs and various chemicals. When we use high heat, fillers, coloring, and
    the
    processing to create a pill we alter the natural aspect of the plants and
    herbs.
    The objective of medicine is to relieve the discomfort caused by the
    symptoms
    of a condition or disease, one illness at a time. Medications do not


    address

    Quoted message said:

    supporting or strengthening our own immune system.

    In the natural way, the most important aspect of the supplement is those
    factors that
    strengthen the bodies own defense systems. In the case of my ginseng, it
    happens
    to do the best job of strengthening the bodies ability to fight of


    anything

    Quoted message said:

    I know.
    That is the reason that I decided to sell it.

    So, it is unrealistic to apply the same standards to things that have
    different objectives.

    Your motivation, like that of the drug companies, is to "produce a good
    bottom line." In fact, your motivation to produce a good bottom line is even
    less honorable than that of a pharmaceutical company, be cause the company
    has an obligation to its stock holders, while yours is pure personal greed.

    You know nothing about the immune system. You would not know how to diagnose
    a "weak immune system." (Please explain what a CBC is, and tell us how to
    interpret the results.) And you have no evidence whatsoever, other than the
    pseudoscientific [censored] fed to you by your parent company, that ginseng has
    any effect at all on the immune system. Take your silly "one product cures
    all" simplistic theory and go away.

    --Rich

  7. "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Happy Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    > Your motivation, like that of the drug companies, is to "produce a


    good

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > bottom line." In fact, your motivation to produce a good bottom line


    is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    even
    > less honorable than that of a pharmaceutical company, be cause the


    company

    Quoted message said:

    > has an obligation to its stock holders, while yours is pure personal
    greed.
    >
    > You know nothing about the immune system. You would not know how to
    diagnose
    > a "weak immune system." (Please explain what a CBC is, and tell us


    how

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:

    > interpret the results.) And you have no evidence whatsoever, other


    than

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the
    > pseudoscientific [censored] fed to you by your parent company, that


    ginseng

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    has

    Quoted message said:

    > any effect at all on the immune system. Take your silly "one product


    cures

    Quoted message said:

    > all" simplistic theory and go away.

    Quoted message said:

    Your ignorance is really starting to annoy me. Nobody could possibly


    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    as

    Quoted message said:

    stupid as you appear to be.

    Well, count me in on that too. Your claims for ginseng are wholly
    unsubstantiated. Your opinion on the effects of processing (in
    pharmaceuticals) is equally misinformed. And, like most spammers and
    scientific illiterates, when asked serious questions, you respond with
    insults.

    le moo

    Us naturals don't know no scientific stuff, we use spirit guides to show


    us

    Quoted message said:

    the right way.

    Quite often, that's better than science...

    Quoted message said:
  8. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: What is MLM?
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 8/6/2003 2:31 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Dave said:

    Contact me by email and we can chat about you becoming the first


    distributor

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in the U.S.

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    He has learned the
    lesson that everyone you meet is a prospect. Let no opportunity to
    offer the "opportunity" go by.

    Yep, and that is not a bad thing.

    So, Jan, are you going to become a distributor or are you comfortable staying
    on the sidelines as an enabler?

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Happy Dog said:

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Your ignorance is really starting to annoy me. Nobody could possibly be


    as

    Quoted message said:

    stupid as you appear to be.

    Well, count me in on that too. Your claims for ginseng are wholly
    unsubstantiated. Your opinion on the effects of processing (in
    pharmaceuticals) is equally misinformed. And, like most spammers and
    scientific illiterates, when asked serious questions, you respond with
    insults.

    He also has a financial interest in selling Ginseng. If we apply the
    same standards to him that alties do to anyone who's ever received money
    from a pharmaceutical company, then we should automatically discount
    anything he says on the matter as hopelessly biased due to his
    commercial interest in selling Ginseng.
    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  10. Quoted message said:


    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Happy Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    > > Your motivation, like that of the drug companies, is to "produce a


    good

    Quoted message said:

    > > bottom line." In fact, your motivation to produce a good bottom line


    is

    Quoted message said:

    > even
    > > less honorable than that of a pharmaceutical company, be cause the
    company
    > > has an obligation to its stock holders, while yours is pure personal
    > greed.
    > >
    > > You know nothing about the immune system. You would not know how to
    > diagnose
    > > a "weak immune system." (Please explain what a CBC is, and tell us


    how

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to
    > > interpret the results.) And you have no evidence whatsoever, other


    than

    Quoted message said:

    > the
    > > pseudoscientific [censored] fed to you by your parent company, that


    ginseng

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    has
    > > any effect at all on the immune system. Take your silly "one product
    cures
    > > all" simplistic theory and go away.

    > Your ignorance is really starting to annoy me. Nobody could possibly


    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    as
    > stupid as you appear to be.

    Well, count me in on that too. Your claims for ginseng are wholly
    unsubstantiated. Your opinion on the effects of processing (in
    pharmaceuticals) is equally misinformed. And, like most spammers and
    scientific illiterates, when asked serious questions, you respond with
    insults.

    le moo

    Us naturals don't know no scientific stuff, we use spirit guides to show


    us

    Quoted message said:

    the right way.

    Quite often, that's better than science...

    Quoted message said:


    Now I understand! Please accept my apologies for my ignorance on that point.
    If I understand correctly, Stuart is telling us that he has at least one spirit
    guide named "MRI" or perhaps "Murry".

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    Even medicinal ginseng which has had at least 300 studies done on it
    may not be powerful enough to overcome a narrow minded view of
    life. We each have the choice in life about how we want to lead
    it. We can take a positive view or a negative view.

    I'm positive that you are a spamming scumbag and of negative value on
    m.h.a. What do I win?

    I'm sure that everyone has their personal view about what your comment
    would entitle you to. From me you have my pity.

    How touching. Pity from a spamming MLM scumbag like yourself.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  12. Dave said:

    When I first came here it was to offer some
    pertinent information on a ginseng that is saving me from cutting off a

    Baloney! You just came here to drum up customers
    for your business. Spamming is against the charter of this
    newsgroup. There are newsgroups that allow sales,
    so why don't you go over there to sell your false claims
    and hype?

    I'll tell you why. Because nobody reads those newsgroups.
    You came here because this newsgroup gets read.
    But it wouldn't get read if it were overrun with commercial
    advertisements from hucksters and con-artists.
    That's why people like you are unwelcome here.

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