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  1. Every year we watch him force his up the mountains. Every year we watch
    him watch helplessly as Armstrong spins away off into the heavens, And
    every year he stubbornly insists on mashing those monster gears,
    consistently losing the Tour to Armstrong's "grannies"!

    Isn't it the pro's who keep harping to everybody about maintaining a
    fast spin (and fiercely condemning anything else)? I really wonder what
    would happen if this big German was to notice the obvious and follow
    this advice...

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    And a really low gear for the hills!"

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  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Chris Zacho 'The Wheelman said:

    Isn't it the pro's who keep harping to everybody about maintaining a
    fast spin (and fiercely condemning anything else)?

    I have never heard a real pro fiercely condemn anyone else's riding style.

  3. At Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:23:09 -0400, message
    <[email hidden]> was posted by
    [email hidden] (Chris Zacho "The Wheelman"😉, including some,
    all or none of the following:

    Quoted message said:

    Isn't it the pro's who keep harping to everybody about maintaining a
    fast spin (and fiercely condemning anything else)?

    Not really, no. Ullrich's cadence is at the lower end of the range
    you'll see on the Tour, and Armstrong's at the higher, but Ullrich
    still pedals faster than most non racers and, as far as I can tell,
    within the band which physiologists reckon yields greatest efficiency.

    I have a sneaking suspicion that Mr Ullrich will have tried lower
    gears and higher cadence at least once in his career...

    Guy
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  4. Chris Zacho said:

    Isn't it the pro's who keep harping to everybody about maintaining a fast spin (and fiercely condemning anything else)?

    Nope. Five-time TdF winner Miguel Indurain certainly wasn't a spinner.
    If anything, Lance's high cadence when cliimbing is unusual among the
    pros.

    Art Harris

  5. Chris Zacho 'The Wheelman said:

    Every year we watch him force his up the mountains. Every year we watch
    him watch helplessly as Armstrong spins away off into the heavens, And
    every year he stubbornly insists on mashing those monster gears,
    consistently losing the Tour to Armstrong's "grannies"!

    As a fan it is always easy to sit back, watch TV, and critique the
    pro's. And because LA has been the dominant TDF ridr for several years
    his style is the one folks think is "perfect." And it probablyis--for
    him.
    Just remember that Ullrich is a great rider. He too has won the TDF and
    has several (5?) second place finishes. His misfortune in terms of his
    place in history is that he had to come along at the same time as
    Lance. Otherwise he has shown he was capable of winning against all of
    his other peers.

    I think that different body types and one's specific mix of muscularity
    and types ot twitch fibers dictate what style will work best. At a
    level MUCH below that of the pro peloton you can notice this on any
    club ride. For example, one friend with whom I ride a lot tends to
    always be two gears bigger than me and at a slower cadence. Yet we ride
    similarly in terms of distance, speed, climbing etc. Those
    physiological differences go all the up the talent chain to the top
    pros.

  6. Chris Carmichael has said that Ullrich's cadence makes dense for his
    physiology.

    Since Carmichael is Lance's coach I suspect he knows what he is talking
    about.

    Chris Neary
    [email hidden]

    "Science, freedom, beauty, adventure: what more could
    you ask of life? Bicycling combined all the elements I
    loved" - Adapted from a quotation by Charles Lindbergh

  7. Chris Zacho The Wheelman said:

    Every year we watch him force his up the mountains. Every year we watch
    him watch helplessly as Armstrong spins away off into the heavens, And
    every year he stubbornly insists on mashing those monster gears,
    consistently losing the Tour to Armstrong's "grannies"!

    Isn't it the pro's who keep harping to everybody about maintaining a
    fast spin (and fiercely condemning anything else)? I really wonder what
    would happen if this big German was to notice the obvious and follow
    this advice...

    What I hear is that he just doesn't train hard enough in the off season.
    That could be all wrong, I don't know.

    It's got to be tough coming in second that many times. Can anybody say
    "Poulidor"?

    Dave

  8. Dave Stallard said:
    Chris Zacho The Wheelman said:

    Every year we watch him force his up the mountains. Every year we watch
    him watch helplessly as Armstrong spins away off into the heavens, And
    every year he stubbornly insists on mashing those monster gears,
    consistently losing the Tour to Armstrong's "grannies"!

    Isn't it the pro's who keep harping to everybody about maintaining a
    fast spin (and fiercely condemning anything else)? I really wonder what
    would happen if this big German was to notice the obvious and follow
    this advice...

    What I hear is that he just doesn't train hard enough in the off season.
    That could be all wrong, I don't know.

    It's got to be tough coming in second that many times. Can anybody say
    "Poulidor"?

    Dave

    I think part of the problem is that T-Mobile (and to some extent CSC)
    never really knows who they are working for. Look at what happened last
    year with Kloden. Look at how one day Lance is saying Vino is his
    biggest competition and the next day it's Ulrich. I just don't think
    they have a team. They have a bunch of great cyclists who happen to be
    on the same team. I think they'd be smart to work for Kloden,
    personally, as he's proven he can climb.

    Preston

  9. "C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Chris Zacho 'The Wheelman said:

    Isn't it the pro's who keep harping to everybody about maintaining a
    fast spin (and fiercely condemning anything else)?

    I have never heard a real pro fiercely condemn anyone else's riding style.

    Fabrizio Mazzoleni, on the other hand....

  10. Preston Crawford <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> On 2005-07-13, Dave Stallard <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> > Chris Zacho The Wheelman wrote:
    :> >> Every year we watch him force his up the mountains. Every year we
    :> >> watch him watch helplessly as Armstrong spins away off into the
    :> >> heavens, And every year he stubbornly insists on mashing those
    :> >> monster gears, consistently losing the Tour to Armstrong's
    :> >> "grannies"!
    :> >>
    :> >> Isn't it the pro's who keep harping to everybody about
    :> >> maintaining a fast spin (and fiercely condemning anything else)?
    :> >> I really wonder what would happen if this big German was to
    :> >> notice the obvious and follow this advice...
    :> >
    :> > What I hear is that he just doesn't train hard enough in the off
    :> > season. That could be all wrong, I don't know.
    :> >
    :> > It's got to be tough coming in second that many times. Can
    :> > anybody say "Poulidor"?
    :> >
    :> > Dave
    :>
    :> I think part of the problem is that T-Mobile (and to some extent CSC)
    :> never really knows who they are working for. Look at what happened
    :> last year with Kloden. Look at how one day Lance is saying Vino is
    :> his
    :> biggest competition and the next day it's Ulrich. I just don't think
    :> they have a team. They have a bunch of great cyclists who happen to
    :> be
    :> on the same team. I think they'd be smart to work for Kloden,
    :> personally, as he's proven he can climb.

    But he hasn't proven he can win. Ulrich has.

    :>
    :> Preston

  11. Roger Zoul said:

    Preston Crawford <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> On 2005-07-13, Dave Stallard <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> > Chris Zacho The Wheelman wrote:
    :> >> Every year we watch him force his up the mountains. Every year we
    :> >> watch him watch helplessly as Armstrong spins away off into the
    :> >> heavens, And every year he stubbornly insists on mashing those
    :> >> monster gears, consistently losing the Tour to Armstrong's
    :> >> "grannies"!
    :> >>
    :> >> Isn't it the pro's who keep harping to everybody about
    :> >> maintaining a fast spin (and fiercely condemning anything else)?
    :> >> I really wonder what would happen if this big German was to
    :> >> notice the obvious and follow this advice...
    :> >
    :> > What I hear is that he just doesn't train hard enough in the off
    :> > season. That could be all wrong, I don't know.
    :> >
    :> > It's got to be tough coming in second that many times. Can
    :> > anybody say "Poulidor"?
    :> >
    :> > Dave
    :>
    :> I think part of the problem is that T-Mobile (and to some extent CSC)
    :> never really knows who they are working for. Look at what happened
    :> last year with Kloden. Look at how one day Lance is saying Vino is
    :> his
    :> biggest competition and the next day it's Ulrich. I just don't think
    :> they have a team. They have a bunch of great cyclists who happen to
    :> be
    :> on the same team. I think they'd be smart to work for Kloden,
    :> personally, as he's proven he can climb.

    But he hasn't proven he can win. Ulrich has.

    :>
    :> Preston

    Yes, 8 years ago. The Tour is a different tour now. I think climbers
    used to be specialists kind of put in the corner with sprinters. They
    had their own jersey, and their own competition, but you didn't HAVE to
    be a terrific climber to win. I don't think Ulrich is a terrific
    climber. Good, but not great.

    On the other hand, I think that's the #1 thing Lance has done
    differently and that teams will have to emulate in the future if they
    want to win. Lance discovered that he could open much bigger time gaps
    on mountain stages than possible on the flat stages. So that was the
    focus in training and on race day. As a result, we've seen these
    mountain stages almost like a broken record. Remember the year he was
    down 30 minutes? The year half the peleton would have been eliminated
    because of the breakaway Beloki lead, except that the judges had the
    ability to not eliminate half the field since there were so many people
    in the peleton. Then Lance goes out and gets back all the time in 2 or 3
    stages, I can't remember which.

    I think the future of the tour is for riders like Valverde. Guys who can
    do pretty good on the flat stages, have a good team protect them, do a
    decent time trial, and then smoke everyone in the mountains. That
    doesn't fit Jan Ulrich's profile. Thus I don't think he will ever win
    again.

    Preston

  12. It really is interesting, Lance and his team of dedicated supporters
    vs. a group of stars which is not a team. In most sports a real team
    will beat a group of all stars every time. Think about the US Olympic
    basketball"team." (OK not the very best of the NBA but still the #1
    group in hte Olympics on pure athletic talent) They didn't look quite
    so strong against the well polished international TEAMS they faced.
    TM, CSC any team with multiple stars/leaders has a real problem over
    the course of the race.

  13. Preston Crawford said:

    I think the future of the tour is for riders like Valverde. Guys who can
    do pretty good on the flat stages, have a good team protect them, do a
    decent time trial, and then smoke everyone in the mountains. That
    doesn't fit Jan Ulrich's profile. Thus I don't think he will ever win
    again.

    How old is he, anyway? He's been around forever, it seems.

    Dave

  14. "Dave Stallard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Preston Crawford said:

    I think the future of the tour is for riders like


    Valverde. Guys who can

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    do pretty good on the flat stages, have a good team


    protect them, do a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    decent time trial, and then smoke everyone in the


    mountains. That

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    doesn't fit Jan Ulrich's profile. Thus I don't think he


    will ever win

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    again.

    How old is he, anyway? He's been around forever, it seems.


    He was born December 2, 1973.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Ullrich
    When he won in 1997, he also won the white jersey for the best
    young rider.

    "At his first start at the Tour de France in 1996, he reached
    a sensational second place behind his Danish team mate Bjarne
    Riis. He won the final individual time trial and secured
    himself his first Tour stage win.

    Despite being a teammate to previous year's winner Bjarne
    Riis, he quickly became the favorite. In the 1997 Tour de
    France. Riis was not strong enough to keep Ullrich down in the
    mountains or in the time-trials. After a dominant win in a
    stage in the Mountains and his first yellow jersey, the German
    press started to follow the tour more closely. Despite Marco
    Pantani's devastating attacks in the Alpe d'Huez and Morzine
    stages, Ullrich kept his cool and was able to limit his time
    losses. For performance and ability to keep his nerves the
    French sports newspaper L'Équipe considered him as one of the
    top bikers with the words Voilà le Patron ("Here is the
    boss"😉. Ullrich won another stage in the tour and became the
    first German to win the tour. He was 23 at the time, one of
    the youngest winners ever. He was chosen "sports person of the
    year" in Germany in 1997."

    OK, he's not Lance, but it's not as though he's chopped liver.

  15. Preston Crawford said:

    Lance discovered that he could open much bigger time gaps on mountain stages than possible on the flat stages.

    That's always been the case. The Tour is won or lost in the mountains.
    The best climber doesn't always win the Tour, but a rider who isn't at
    least a very good climber, and a decent time trialer, isn't going to
    win. Ullrich is a very good climber and an excellent time trialer. But
    you rarely see him attack. He isn't going to make up time by riding on
    Armstrong's wheel all the time.

    Art Harris

  16. True, enough about Big Mig; but how many mountain stages did he win?

    Art Harris said:
    Chris Zacho said:

    Isn't it the pro's who keep harping to everybody about maintaining a fast spin (and fiercely condemning anything else)?

    Nope. Five-time TdF winner Miguel Indurain certainly wasn't a spinner.
    If anything, Lance's high cadence when cliimbing is unusual among the
    pros.

    Art Harris

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