What is CANCER?

"West Coast Engineering" <[email hidden]>
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With all due respect,

I have had my encounters with CANCER in my family.

Two wonderful uncles, and a very wonderful grand mother
who helped those who were sick.

Every body dies but that does not seem to make it easier,
does it?

Thought and question:

1. Consider the number of cells in the human body (very
large number of cells).

2. Consider the mutation rate due to:
a: chemicals
b: comic rays
c: natural radiation
d. Other yet unknown sources

3. It is very possible that every one of us gets CANCER
about twice a week but most of our immune systems nail
the bad cells (one on one) before they can multiply.

You are absolutely correct. The immune system deals with
infections in its spare tiem.

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4. If one cell gets away from our immune system, we are
screwed and then we get to die very slowly and
painfully. I hate this part, it really really sucks. No
one should ever know when they ar going to
die.

Here's where you are wrong. Over 50% of patients with cancer
are cured by conventional treatment.

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5. Do we go after CANCER (cutting and chemo and
radiation), or do we look a liitle deeper into our
immune systems (genetics) and find a way to stop this
[censored] in its tracks by teaching our bodies
(biologically) how to be stronger?

Nice thought, but pie in the sky. The immune system has had
millions of years to train itself. As you said probably
99.9% of cancerous cells are already picked off. I doubt you
can make the immune system work better. A more cost
effective approach is to give it less work to do. Don't
smoke, for instance.

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This is meant to be a serious question. The answer might
make some kind of difference to the human condition if the
right person asks it in the right way while doing the
right kind of research.

Jim Klein

If anyone thinks this makes any sense at all, please
forward it to your doctor or researcher. We are stronger
than that which tries to destroy us.

Steph said:

Nice thought, but pie in the sky. The immune system has
had millions of years to train itself. As you said
probably 99.9% of cancerous cells are already picked off.
I doubt you can make the immune system work better. A more
cost effective approach is to give it less work to do.
Don't smoke, for instance.

OTOH, Galen Knight and Terence Scallen's research indicates
that there is some major leeway for improvement. In the
process of dispensing with inept bureaucracy and crooked
opportunists, some headway may be made soon in this arena.
BTW, you might find it interesting, "STEPH", to know that
UNM and it's larcenous licensee are still maintaining the
authentic vitaletheine patents in Canada, despite abandoning
them fraudulently in the US, information that will soon be
before the US Court of Appeals as the co-inventors prepare
for round three. I find it rather interesting that Canadians
are thus being given the advantage over Americans, perhaps
even a poetic justice of sorts, given the acid rain issue,
but the fact remains that UNM (and Taub et al.) can't have
their stories both ways, at least scientifically. In the
legal arena, truth has little bearing on the outcome of a
dispute, but outside that rarefied circus, time will usually
tell all. One of my favorite proverbs, prefacing Josephine
Tey's (Elizabeth MacIntosh) remarkable novel, "Daughter of
Time", says that truth is the daughter of time (oops, make
that favoUrite). This lawsuit is nearing the five-year mark
this spring. What with appeals to the Supreme Court, or
possibly another remand to district court, it might go on
for another two to five more. I'll wager the UNM "lie-yers"
never anticipated this fight, and I'm sure they won't forget
losing their "immunity" from counter-suit any time soon.
More poetic justice... ;^]

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"Kristofer D. Dale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Steph said:

Nice thought, but pie in the sky. The immune system has
had millions of years to train itself. As you said
probably 99.9% of cancerous cells are already picked
off. I doubt you can make the immune system work better.

A

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more cost effective approach is to give it less work to
do. Don't smoke,

for

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instance.

OTOH, Galen Knight and Terence Scallen's research
indicates that there is some major leeway for improvement.
In the process of dispensing with inept bureaucracy and
crooked opportunists, some headway may be made soon in
this arena. BTW, you might find it interesting, "STEPH",
to know that UNM and it's larcenous licensee are still
maintaining the authentic vitaletheine patents in Canada,
despite abandoning them fraudulently in the US,
information that will soon be before the US Court of
Appeals as the co-inventors prepare for round three. I
find it rather interesting that Canadians are thus being
given the advantage over Americans, perhaps even a poetic
justice of sorts, given the acid rain issue, but the fact
remains that UNM (and Taub et al.) can't have their
stories both ways, at least scientifically. In the legal
arena, truth has little bearing on the outcome of a
dispute, but outside that rarefied circus, time will
usually tell all. One of my favorite proverbs, prefacing
Josephine Tey's (Elizabeth MacIntosh) remarkable novel,
"Daughter of Time", says that truth is the daughter of
time (oops, make that favoUrite). This lawsuit is nearing
the five-year mark this spring. What with appeals to the
Supreme Court, or possibly another remand to district
court, it might go on for another two to five more. I'll
wager the UNM "lie-yers" never anticipated this fight, and
I'm sure they won't forget losing their "immunity" from
counter-suit any time soon. More poetic justice... ;^]

Boring as always, aren't you, Chris?

Steph said:

Boring as always, aren't you, Chris?

Yes, if you are addressing me, boring like an auger through
wood... ;^]

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Steph said:

Boring as always, aren't you, Chris?

Yes, if you are addressing me, boring like an auger
through wood... ;^]

Or maybe just boring like..............a boring idiot?

Steph said:

Or maybe just boring like..............a boring idiot?

You be the judge, since it takes one to know one... ;^]

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Steph said:

Or maybe just boring like..............a boring idiot?

You be the judge, since it takes one to know one... ;^]

Oh, what a wonderfully cutting riposte, Chris. Give us one
of your execrable poems now..............

Steph said:

Give us one of your execrable poems now...

Okay, here's one, off the cuff:

There once was a doctor called "Steph" Who bore no
resemblance to "Hef" But get him online With a glassful of
wine And he could definately pass for a "ceph"...

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"Kristofer D. Dale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Steph said:

Give us one of your execrable poems now...

Okay, here's one, off the cuff:

There once was a doctor called "Steph" Who bore no
resemblance to "Hef" But get him online With a glassful of
wine And he could definately pass for a "ceph"...

Yes, that's about the standard I expected

"Kristofer D. Dale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Steph said:

Give us one of your execrable poems now...

Okay, here's one, off the cuff:

There once was a doctor called "Steph" Who bore no
resemblance to "Hef" But get him online With a glassful of
wine And he could definately pass for a "ceph"...

(m-w.comcgiOpen ↗
bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=encephalitic)

Kris, You better keep your day job! Jill

Jill said:

Kris, You better keep your day job! Jill

Heh, I didn't know this was an audition... ;^]

I do much better than I'm willing to waste upon the likes of
"Steph", for example:

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Jill said:

Kris, You better keep your day job! Jill

Heh, I didn't know this was an audition... ;^]

I do much better than I'm willing to waste upon the likes
of "Steph", for example:

nmia.comlil.htmOpen ↗

The only thing good about that one, is it's a verbal shot
at Clinton.

I didn't know it could be so easy to get a copyright.

I've got some really bad poetry myself.

It's better to have people think your stupid,

than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

As for the likes of Steph. He an asset to these groups.

I think you could be also, if you could deal with the
anger issue.

You seem to be a smart person, now just behave like one.

Life's to short.

Jill

Jill said:

The only thing good about that one, is it's a verbal shot
at Clinton.

Oh, so that's why I've received dozens of compliments...

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I didn't know it could be so easy to get a copyright.

You don't know trillions of things, including, apparantly,
how to get a clue...

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I've got some really bad poetry myself.

Happy for you. BTW, I don't call my writing "poetry". And I
don't know why you are so upset, since "Steph" specifically
asked me for some "execrable" poetry, I "acquiesced" in my
own inimitable fashion, and this is the lousy thanks I get,
however appropriate. Excuse the copulate out of me...

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It's better to have people think your stupid, than open
your mouth and remove all doubt.

Who would know better than you?

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As for the likes of Steph. He an asset to these groups.

I don't care where he sets his sorry ass, he's still a
[censored] and a poltroon in my estimation...

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I think you could be also, if you could deal with the
anger issue.

Hence my writing, AKA "textual assault". As the saying goes,
if you aren't ( <- perhaps the most pointless contraction
ever devised, BTW) angry, you're ( <- perhaps the second)
not paying attention!

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You seem to be a smart person, now just behave like one.

To what end? For what reason? This entire planet is a
madhouse, and it's not going to get any better in our
lifetime, which could be quite short if (or when) the nukes
start flying...

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Life's to short.

So are you, so what? To (sic) bad...

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Jill

Kris - 6'5" tall with bare feet... ;^] ( <- bigwink)

Back on topic:
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"Kristofer D. Dale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Jill said:

The only thing good about that one, is it's a verbal
shot at Clinton.

<snip>

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I didn't know it could be so easy to get a copyright.

<snip>

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I've got some really bad poetry myself.

<snip

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It's better to have people think your stupid, than open
your mouth and remove all doubt.

<snip>

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As for the likes of Steph. He an asset to these groups.

<snip>

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I think you could be also, if you could deal with the
anger issue.

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You seem to be a smart person, now just behave like
one.

...<snip>

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Life's to short.

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Jill

Kris, You must have a big shovel, to throw out all
that manure.

You're a sad little person. So I snipped all your manure.

I'll say a prayer just for you.

Jill

Jill said:

I'll say a prayer just for you.

Why, thank you... ;^]

Next?

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