What is a Troll?

Top posted for Ed DOlan's enjoyment ... Ed Dolan responded ... "Anyone
reading this [censored]? I sure am not" to my post ... "Ed Dolan ... Portrait
of a TROLL!!!"...

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/browse_frm/...

Now Ed either didn't read it for fear that he would be staring truth
and a portrait of himself in squarely the face or he did read it and is
simply in denial. There is no other plausible explanation. Regardless,
it really matters not because Ed matters not. The readership knows who
and what Ed Dolan is and nothing he can say will in any way alter the
perception of himself which Ed has forged.

Anyone who is new to this TROLL down under might want to read that post
and the man in his own words...

"I frankly do not have the slightest idea what newsgroups are all
about."

"Usenet is strictly for idiots, [censored] and jerks - positively no
exceptions! When I am on Usenet I try to be the biggest idiot, [censored]
and jerk of them all. I set the standard for one and all. I believe I
can state with absolute assurance that I am the Greatest Idiot, the
Greatest [censored] and the Greatest Jerk that Usenet has ever known in
its' long and dishonored history. For Christ's sakes, I prove it every
time I post. Can't any of you poor [censored] read?"

"I am merely a gadfly buzzing about this group ever striving to create
some mayhem. I am superfluous. Think of me as the buffoon of ARBR and
you will not be far wrong."

It would be best to just ignore the troll ... Ed Dolan. Perhaps in
time he will take leave of your newsgroup.

Jim McNamara

Edward Dolan said:

I do not care what anyone else in the world thinks a troll is. I KNOW what a
troll is because I was taught by an expert troll - Ed Gin of ARBR.

A troll has nothing but malice intended. He demonstrates this by posting a
single message over and over on as many threads as possible. When others
object, he calls them every name in the book preferably resorting to
obscenities and sexual innuendoes right off the bat. Moreover, he never uses
his real name but instead uses dozens of false names. He will also use the
names of other members of the group including their addresses fraudulently
in his posts so as to confuse everyone as to who is saying what. He is able
to get away with all these shenanigans because he has engaged a newsreader
service which will ensure that he remain anonymous. He is consistently vile
and the one thing he will NEVER do is to respond to anyone ever. Such a
troll is more like a machine than a human being.

Those of you who think a troll is anything other than what I have described
above are living in dream land. Any troll can destroy any newsgroup if he
devotes all his time and effort to it. That is what happened to ARBR and it
can happen to you too. Trolls are essentially criminal morons. That is the
one thing you have to know about them.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I am merely a gadfly buzzing about this group

Quoted message said:

Top posted for Ed DOlan's enjoyment

I move that Ed and JimmyMac get a room.

Do I hear a second?

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

Quoted message said:

Top posted for Ed DOlan's enjoyment ... Ed Dolan responded ... "Anyone
reading this [censored]? I sure am not" to my post ... "Ed Dolan ... Portrait
of a TROLL!!!"...

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/browse_frm/...

Now Ed either didn't read it for fear that he would be staring truth
and a portrait of himself in squarely the face or he did read it and is
simply in denial. There is no other plausible explanation. Regardless,
it really matters not because Ed matters not. The readership knows who
and what Ed Dolan is and nothing he can say will in any way alter the
perception of himself which Ed has forged.

Anyone who is new to this TROLL down under might want to read that post
and the man in his own words...

"I frankly do not have the slightest idea what newsgroups are all
about."

"Usenet is strictly for idiots, [censored] and jerks - positively no
exceptions! When I am on Usenet I try to be the biggest idiot, [censored]
and jerk of them all. I set the standard for one and all. I believe I
can state with absolute assurance that I am the Greatest Idiot, the
Greatest [censored] and the Greatest Jerk that Usenet has ever known in
its' long and dishonored history. For Christ's sakes, I prove it every
time I post. Can't any of you poor [censored] read?"

"I am merely a gadfly buzzing about this group ever striving to create
some mayhem. I am superfluous. Think of me as the buffoon of ARBR and
you will not be far wrong."

It would be best to just ignore the troll ... Ed Dolan. Perhaps in
time he will take leave of your newsgroup.

Jim McNamara

Jim has never yet done his homework with regard to comparing Ed Gin to Ed
Dolan. Unless and until he does that he will forever be irrelevant to the
discussion of what a troll is.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Quoted message said:

Edward Dolan said:

I do not care what anyone else in the world thinks a troll is. I KNOW
what a
troll is because I was taught by an expert troll - Ed Gin of ARBR.

A troll has nothing but malice intended. He demonstrates this by posting
a
single message over and over on as many threads as possible. When others
object, he calls them every name in the book preferably resorting to
obscenities and sexual innuendoes right off the bat. Moreover, he never
uses
his real name but instead uses dozens of false names. He will also use
the
names of other members of the group including their addresses
fraudulently
in his posts so as to confuse everyone as to who is saying what. He is
able
to get away with all these shenanigans because he has engaged a
newsreader
service which will ensure that he remain anonymous. He is consistently
vile
and the one thing he will NEVER do is to respond to anyone ever. Such a
troll is more like a machine than a human being.

Those of you who think a troll is anything other than what I have
described
above are living in dream land. Any troll can destroy any newsgroup if he
devotes all his time and effort to it. That is what happened to ARBR and
it
can happen to you too. Trolls are essentially criminal morons. That is
the
one thing you have to know about them.

Edward Dolan said:

I do not care what anyone else in the world thinks a troll is. I KNOW what a
troll is because I was taught by an expert troll - Ed Gin of ARBR.

A troll has nothing but malice intended. He demonstrates this by posting a
single message over and over on as many threads as possible. When others
object, he calls them every name in the book preferably resorting to
obscenities and sexual innuendoes right off the bat. Moreover, he never uses
his real name but instead uses dozens of false names. He will also use the
names of other members of the group including their addresses fraudulently
in his posts so as to confuse everyone as to who is saying what. He is able
to get away with all these shenanigans because he has engaged a newsreader
service which will ensure that he remain anonymous. He is consistently vile
and the one thing he will NEVER do is to respond to anyone ever. Such a
troll is more like a machine than a human being.

Those of you who think a troll is anything other than what I have described
above are living in dream land. Any troll can destroy any newsgroup if he
devotes all his time and effort to it. That is what happened to ARBR and it
can happen to you too. Trolls are essentially criminal morons. That is the
one thing you have to know about them.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

A "troll" is an insult. There is no legal defintiion of it.

You will never have your ISP account suspended for "Trolling"

Wikipedia covers all these issues with great depth.

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Edward Dolan said:

I do not care what anyone else in the world thinks a troll is. I KNOW
what a
troll is because I was taught by an expert troll - Ed Gin of ARBR.

A troll has nothing but malice intended. He demonstrates this by posting
a
single message over and over on as many threads as possible. When others
object, he calls them every name in the book preferably resorting to
obscenities and sexual innuendoes right off the bat. Moreover, he never
uses
his real name but instead uses dozens of false names. He will also use
the
names of other members of the group including their addresses
fraudulently
in his posts so as to confuse everyone as to who is saying what. He is
able
to get away with all these shenanigans because he has engaged a
newsreader
service which will ensure that he remain anonymous. He is consistently
vile
and the one thing he will NEVER do is to respond to anyone ever. Such a
troll is more like a machine than a human being.

Those of you who think a troll is anything other than what I have
described
above are living in dream land. Any troll can destroy any newsgroup if he
devotes all his time and effort to it. That is what happened to ARBR and
it
can happen to you too. Trolls are essentially criminal morons. That is
the
one thing you have to know about them.

A "troll" is an insult. There is no legal defintiion of it.

I do not go along with that. I can take and give any amount of insults as
long as the insults are responsive. It is the unresponsive mindlessness of
trolls that bothers me the most.

Quoted message said:

You will never have your ISP account suspended for "Trolling"

Yes, you are more likely to get your account suspend for vile language than
anything else. I think only threats need to be reported to the police. I
will tolerate almost anything except threats.

Quoted message said:

Wikipedia covers all these issues with great depth.

Well, I think we all know a real troll when we encounter one. Thankfully
they are few and far between. In all my years on ARBR, there has only been
one troll who constituted a danger to the group. In fact, he pretty much
destroyed the group.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

newsgroups trimmed.

<[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

A "troll" is an insult. There is no legal defintiion of it.

You will never have your ISP account suspended for "Trolling"

Wikipedia covers all these issues with great depth.

"All posts are trolls for responses." =~ Miya

There are different types of "bait" and different fishing techniques,
however.

ISPs may revoke accounts for many reasons. Most have terms
of use that prohibit use of their service not only for illegal purposes,
but also for various other inappropriate behaviour including abuse,
harassment, vulgarity, obscenity, etc...

For historical and practical reasons, few ISPs are concerned with
posts to alt.* news groups.

Jon Meinecke

Readers,

What is most peculiar here is that we have a man that everyone
recognizes to be a troll, who is himself in denial and yet is
attempting to define what constitutes a troll, a spammer and an
stalker. Ed Dolan doesn't have a clue. Ed is more often that not
wrong in his pronouncements. Ignore the stubbornly opinionated jackass
Absolutely nothing would displease Ed more.

Jim McNamara

Edward Dolan said:

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

Quoted message said:

Top posted for Ed Dolan's enjoyment ... Ed Dolan responded ... "Anyone
reading this [censored]? I sure am not" to my post ... "Ed Dolan ... Portrait
of a TROLL!!!"...

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/browse_frm/...

Now Ed either didn't read it for fear that he would be staring truth
and a portrait of himself in squarely the face or he did read it and is
simply in denial. There is no other plausible explanation. Regardless,
it really matters not because Ed matters not. The readership knows who
and what Ed Dolan is and nothing he can say will in any way alter the
perception of himself which Ed has forged.

Anyone who is new to this TROLL down under might want to read that post
and the man in his own words...

"I frankly do not have the slightest idea what newsgroups are all
about."

"Usenet is strictly for idiots, [censored] and jerks - positively no
exceptions! When I am on Usenet I try to be the biggest idiot, [censored]
and jerk of them all. I set the standard for one and all. I believe I
can state with absolute assurance that I am the Greatest Idiot, the
Greatest [censored] and the Greatest Jerk that Usenet has ever known in
its' long and dishonored history. For Christ's sakes, I prove it every
time I post. Can't any of you poor [censored] read?"

"I am merely a gadfly buzzing about this group ever striving to create
some mayhem. I am superfluous. Think of me as the buffoon of ARBR and
you will not be far wrong."

It would be best to just ignore the troll ... Ed Dolan. Perhaps in
time he will take leave of your newsgroup.

Jim McNamara

Jim has never yet done his homework with regard to comparing Ed Gin to Ed
Dolan. Unless and until he does that he will forever be irrelevant to the
discussion of what a troll is.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Quoted message said:

Edward Dolan said:

I do not care what anyone else in the world thinks a troll is. I KNOW
what a
troll is because I was taught by an expert troll - Ed Gin of ARBR.

A troll has nothing but malice intended. He demonstrates this by posting
a
single message over and over on as many threads as possible. When others
object, he calls them every name in the book preferably resorting to
obscenities and sexual innuendoes right off the bat. Moreover, he never
uses
his real name but instead uses dozens of false names. He will also use
the
names of other members of the group including their addresses
fraudulently
in his posts so as to confuse everyone as to who is saying what. He is
able
to get away with all these shenanigans because he has engaged a
newsreader
service which will ensure that he remain anonymous. He is consistently
vile
and the one thing he will NEVER do is to respond to anyone ever. Such a
troll is more like a machine than a human being.

Those of you who think a troll is anything other than what I have
described
above are living in dream land. Any troll can destroy any newsgroup if he
devotes all his time and effort to it. That is what happened to ARBR and
it
can happen to you too. Trolls are essentially criminal morons. That is
the
one thing you have to know about them.

Readers,

What is most peculiar here is that we have a man that everyone
recognizes to be a troll, who is himself in denial and yet is
attempting to define what constitutes a troll, a spammer and an
stalker. Ed Dolan doesn't have a clue. Ed is more often that not
wrong in his pronouncements. Ignore the stubbornly opinionated jackass
Absolutely nothing would displease Ed more.

Jim McNamara

Edward Dolan said:

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

Quoted message said:

Top posted for Ed Dolan's enjoyment ... Ed Dolan responded ... "Anyone
reading this [censored]? I sure am not" to my post ... "Ed Dolan ... Portrait
of a TROLL!!!"...

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/browse_frm/...

Now Ed either didn't read it for fear that he would be staring truth
and a portrait of himself in squarely the face or he did read it and is
simply in denial. There is no other plausible explanation. Regardless,
it really matters not because Ed matters not. The readership knows who
and what Ed Dolan is and nothing he can say will in any way alter the
perception of himself which Ed has forged.

Anyone who is new to this TROLL down under might want to read that post
and the man in his own words...

"I frankly do not have the slightest idea what newsgroups are all
about."

"Usenet is strictly for idiots, [censored] and jerks - positively no
exceptions! When I am on Usenet I try to be the biggest idiot, [censored]
and jerk of them all. I set the standard for one and all. I believe I
can state with absolute assurance that I am the Greatest Idiot, the
Greatest [censored] and the Greatest Jerk that Usenet has ever known in
its' long and dishonored history. For Christ's sakes, I prove it every
time I post. Can't any of you poor [censored] read?"

"I am merely a gadfly buzzing about this group ever striving to create
some mayhem. I am superfluous. Think of me as the buffoon of ARBR and
you will not be far wrong."

It would be best to just ignore the troll ... Ed Dolan. Perhaps in
time he will take leave of your newsgroup.

Jim McNamara

Jim has never yet done his homework with regard to comparing Ed Gin to Ed
Dolan. Unless and until he does that he will forever be irrelevant to the
discussion of what a troll is.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Quoted message said:

Edward Dolan said:

I do not care what anyone else in the world thinks a troll is. I KNOW
what a
troll is because I was taught by an expert troll - Ed Gin of ARBR.

A troll has nothing but malice intended. He demonstrates this by posting
a
single message over and over on as many threads as possible. When others
object, he calls them every name in the book preferably resorting to
obscenities and sexual innuendoes right off the bat. Moreover, he never
uses
his real name but instead uses dozens of false names. He will also use
the
names of other members of the group including their addresses
fraudulently
in his posts so as to confuse everyone as to who is saying what. He is
able
to get away with all these shenanigans because he has engaged a
newsreader
service which will ensure that he remain anonymous. He is consistently
vile
and the one thing he will NEVER do is to respond to anyone ever. Such a
troll is more like a machine than a human being.

Those of you who think a troll is anything other than what I have
described
above are living in dream land. Any troll can destroy any newsgroup if he
devotes all his time and effort to it. That is what happened to ARBR and
it
can happen to you too. Trolls are essentially criminal morons. That is
the
one thing you have to know about them.

"JimmyMac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Readers,

What is most peculiar here is that we have a man that everyone
recognizes to be a troll, who is himself in denial and yet is
attempting to define what constitutes a troll, a spammer and an
stalker. Ed Dolan doesn't have a clue. Ed is more often that not
wrong in his pronouncements. Ignore the stubbornly opinionated jackass
Absolutely nothing would displease Ed more.

There is not one person in a hundred who knows what a troll is. Jim refuses
to do his homework on the subject but unless and until he does he will be
doing nothing but blowing in the wind. The comparison must include what Ed
Gin did that Ed Dolan has never done.

Many have also accused Jim McNamara of being a troll, but this is as
erroneous as accusing Ed Dolan of being a troll. Study the posts of Ed Gin
(Johnny NoCom) on ARBR from two winters ago to learn something about the
subject - that is the only way.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Jim has never yet done his homework with regard to comparing Ed Gin to Ed
Dolan. Unless and until he does that he will forever be irrelevant to the
discussion of what a troll is. - Ed Dolan

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trolls

"Jon_H" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

Quoted message said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trolls

I am not interested in the standard definitions and descriptions of trolls.
I am way beyond that elementary nonsense. I KNOW what a real troll is and
what they are capable of. Anything other than that is child's play and not
worth mentioning.

In a sense anyone who posts a message to Usenet is trolling for a response.
None of us write just to see ourselves in print. We want responses from
others. That kind of trolling is of the essence for all newsgroups.

By the way, being off-topic on your own thread and being contentious, even
insulting, has absolutely nothing to do with being a troll. To think that it
does marks you as a simpleton.

You really do have to study the posts of Ed Gin (Johnny NoCom) on ARBR from
two winters ago to get an idea of a real troll and not all these imaginary
trolls which don't amount to a hill of beans.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

"JimmyMac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Readers,

What is most peculiar here is that we have a man that everyone
recognizes to be a troll, who is himself in denial and yet is
attempting to define what constitutes a troll, a spammer and an
stalker. Ed Dolan doesn't have a clue. Ed is more often that not
wrong in his pronouncements. Ignore the stubbornly opinionated jackass
Absolutely nothing would displease Ed more.

There is not one person in a hundred who knows what a troll is. Jim refuses
to do his homework on the subject but unless and until he does he will be
doing nothing but blowing in the wind. The comparison must include what Ed
Gin did that Ed Dolan has never done.

Many have also accused Jim McNamara of being a troll, but this is as
erroneous as accusing Ed Dolan of being a troll. Study the posts of Ed Gin
(Johnny NoCom) on ARBR from two winters ago to learn something about the
subject - that is the only way.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Jim has never yet done his homework with regard to comparing Ed Gin to Ed
Dolan. Unless and until he does that he will forever be irrelevant to the
discussion of what a troll is. - Ed Dolan

This says it all...

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/browse_frm/thread/a9577f8f1619c169/49fabe8fb8fc2f54?lnk=gst&q=portrait&rnum=1#49fabe8fb8fc2f54

Jim McNamara

Quoted message said:

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

"Jon_H" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

Quoted message said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trolls

I am not interested in the standard definitions and descriptions of trolls.
I am way beyond that elementary nonsense. I KNOW what a real troll is and
what they are capable of. Anything other than that is child's play and not
worth mentioning.

And no one is interested in your conception of what a troll is or your
misconception that you don't conform to the standard definition and
description. This says it all...

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/browse_frm/thread/a9577f8f1619c169/49fabe8fb8fc2f54?lnk=gst&q=portrait&rnum=1#49fabe8fb8fc2f54

Jim McNamara

Quoted message said:

In a sense anyone who posts a message to Usenet is trolling for a response.
None of us write just to see ourselves in print. We want responses from
others. That kind of trolling is of the essence for all newsgroups.

By the way, being off-topic on your own thread and being contentious, even
insulting, has absolutely nothing to do with being a troll. To think that it
does marks you as a simpleton.

You really do have to study the posts of Ed Gin (Johnny NoCom) on ARBR from
two winters ago to get an idea of a real troll and not all these imaginary
trolls which don't amount to a hill of beans.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:
<snip>

Quoted message said:

The comparison must include what Ed Gin did that Ed Dolan has never done.

<snip>

Hmmm..."departed" springs to mind... ;-)

Best,

Dan

"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The TRUTH of September 11, 2001.

The purpose of the attacks was to clog Usenet with off-topic flame
wars. As one can see, the goal was achieved.

Did anyone else notice the huge number of Usenet posts which comprised
entire paragraphs which used words in complete and grammatically correct
sentences which nonetheless conveyed absolutely no meaning which were posted
in the weeks and months before 11 Sep 2001, and which have not been seen
since?

Dan B. said:

Edward Dolan wrote:
<snip>

Quoted message said:

The comparison must include what Ed Gin did that Ed Dolan has never done.

<snip>

Hmmm..."departed" springs to mind... ;-)

Best,

Dan

Succinct ... insightful ... apropos ... BRAVO !!! - JimMcNamara

"Dan B." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Edward Dolan wrote:
<snip>

Quoted message said:

The comparison must include what Ed Gin did that Ed Dolan has never done.

<snip>

Hmmm..."departed" springs to mind... ;-)

Ed Gin left once he had accomplished his purpose which was to destroy ARBR.
I had to stay in order to try to rebuild the group. But one person cannot
do what it takes a group to do, at least not when it comes to a newsGROUP!

Hells Bells, it is always easier to destroy something than to build
something.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"JimmyMac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Dan B. said:

Edward Dolan wrote:
<snip>

Quoted message said:

The comparison must include what Ed Gin did that Ed Dolan has never
done.

<snip>

Hmmm..."departed" springs to mind... ;-)

Best,

Dan

Succinct ... insightful ... apropos ... BRAVO !!! - JimMcNamara

No one on these cycling groups will know what succinct means without going
to a dictionary. Always use common words in preference to uncommon words.
How many times do I have to reiterate this rule of good writing style.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

"JimmyMac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Dan B. said:

Edward Dolan wrote:
<snip>
> The comparison must include what Ed Gin did that Ed Dolan has never
> done.
<snip>

Hmmm..."departed" springs to mind... ;-)

Best,

Dan

Succinct ... insightful ... apropos ... BRAVO !!! - JimMcNamara

No one on these cycling groups will know what succinct means without going
to a dictionary. Always use common words in preference to uncommon words.
How many times do I have to reiterate this rule of good writing style.

What we have here is and example of the pot calling the kettle black.
Ed Dolan uses not only uncommon words but even Latin phrases (read
words from a virtually dead language). Succinct is not very uncommon.
I am reasonably certain that Ed has underestimated the vocabulary of
the readers here.

Jim McNamara

Quoted message said:

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota