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  1. Hi all,

    I am trying to get back into running. I fight heel problems and shin
    splints. I have been alternating with a set of older shoes I have that
    have some cheap cushion inserts. I seem to be less sore during running
    ....and after when I wear the padded shoe.

    OK now to the question. Which off the shelf inserts have you had the
    best luck with? Which shoe have you worn that is well padded? (I do not
    have a "runnning shoe" store in my vicinity to consult with). I am
    trying to be proactive before I get sore. I think I pronate when I run,
    but I am trying to note my form. Thanks,-k

  2. k said:

    I am trying to get back into running. I fight heel problems and shin
    splints. I have been alternating with a set of older shoes I have that
    have some cheap cushion inserts. I seem to be less sore during running
    ...and after when I wear the padded shoe.

    OK now to the question. Which off the shelf inserts have you had the
    best luck with? Which shoe have you worn that is well padded? (I do not
    have a "runnning shoe" store in my vicinity to consult with). I am
    trying to be proactive before I get sore. I think I pronate when I run,
    but I am trying to note my form. Thanks,-k

    Just buy new shoes idiot.

    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

  3. These inserts are the best!

    http://www.comedyzine.com/images/politics/bush_butt_plug.jpg

  4. On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:30:53 -0400, The Bill Rodgers <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    These inserts are the best!

    http://www.comedyzine.com/images/popitics/bush_butt_plug.jpg

    Have fun, your ISP will catch up with you in a few days.

    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

  5. Thanks for the reply Bill. Nothing like the WWW to foster a warm fuzzy
    inclusive atmosphere. So what shoes do you (or others)reccomend? I
    might mention to the group I ordered the book ChiRunning. We'll see if
    it helps. --k

  6. k said:

    Thanks for the reply Bill. Nothing like the WWW to foster a warm fuzzy
    inclusive atmosphere. So what shoes do you (or others)reccomend? I
    might mention to the group I ordered the book ChiRunning. We'll see if
    it helps. --k

    Ok, sorry for the smart(_!_) response, but after 400 or 500 posts in a
    morning, I get cranky.
    Sounds like you are a candidate for asics 2000 series. Read the recent
    thread where we hookedup JJ with them.

    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

  7. "k" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Hi all,

    Quoted message said:


    I am trying to get back into running. I fight heel problems and shin
    splints. I have been alternating with a set of older shoes I have that
    have some cheap cushion inserts. I seem to be less sore during running
    ...and after when I wear the padded shoe.

    OK now to the question. Which off the shelf inserts have you had the
    best luck with? Which shoe have you worn that is well padded? (I do not
    have a "runnning shoe" store in my vicinity to consult with). I am
    trying to be proactive before I get sore. I think I pronate when I run,
    but I am trying to note my form. Thanks,-k

    I had a lot of luck with the Spenco 3/4 length Arch Support Cushions:
    http://www.footsmart.com/Product.aspx?ProductId=1378

    They were an excellent "bridge" for me between having nothing and
    then going to custom orthotics. I wore them for 2 years (same pair)
    and they really helped my pronation problems as well as making the
    shoes conform to my foot better.

    cheers,

    --
    David Hirsh, director
    www.absolutelyaccurate.com
    Southern Ontario's Summer Race Series!

  8. SwStudio said:

    I had a lot of luck with the Spenco 3/4 length Arch Support Cushions:
    http://www.footsmart.com/Product.aspx?ProductId=1378

    Why tell him/her this? The idiot needs new shoes, not inserts.

    Quoted message said:


    They were an excellent "bridge" for me between having nothing and
    then going to custom orthotics. I wore them for 2 years (same pair)
    and they really helped my pronation problems as well as making the
    shoes conform to my foot better.

    Ahh, here we have the answer. So you ruined your feet that way, and
    want others to follow suite. Smart, real smart...

    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

  9. I really want to appeal to the oriiginal poster here, that you DO NOT
    NEED INSERTS, you need new shoes. Failure to do so may leave you like
    this guy, in need of $400 custom orthotics. He admits he ruined his
    feet this way, so read between the lines. If you can't afford $90 for
    shoes right now, do not run until you can. You'd be better off not
    running at all. Why he'd give you advice like this is beyond me.

    On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 07:35:47 -0400, The Bill Rodgers <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    SwStudio said:

    I had a lot of luck with the Spenco 3/4 length Arch Support Cushions:
    http://www.footsmart.com/Product.aspx?ProductId=1378

    Why tell him/her this? The idiot needs new shoes, not inserts.

    Quoted message said:


    They were an excellent "bridge" for me between having nothing and
    then going to custom orthotics. I wore them for 2 years (same pair)
    and they really helped my pronation problems as well as making the
    shoes conform to my foot better.

    Ahh, here we have the answer. So you ruined your feet that way, and
    want others to follow suite. Smart, real smart...

    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."


  10. Quoted message said:


    I also have just started running and was having shin pain. I am lucky to
    have a good running store near by and just bought a pair of Asics 2100's. I
    felt an improvement the very first time I ran in them. I was running in a
    good pair of shoes before, just not *running* shoes. Made a WORLD of
    difference. If you can, invest in a good new pair of running shoes. They
    are not *that* expensive if that's a factor (was with me). My new shoes
    cost me $90. Not too bad and they should last me a long time since I doubt
    my distance will improve that much, but you never know. It's worth it I
    think. At least for me it was. The exercises are also a great suggestion.
    Working the front of the shins may help as well. I got that advice from
    this ng and from the running store.

    Good luck fellow "beginner"...Let us know how it goes! JJ

    Alot of runners like having custom orthotics.. I curious to know why
    they can be bad for running.. I don't run myself (I like the cross
    training machine!), but have found I can stand alot longer without arch
    pain when wearing orthotics.

    Since I like them so much, I sell them online for alot less than $400 a
    pair! http://www.orthoticshop.com is where you can see my wares which
    start at $115 (shipped)..

    Also, anyone try the running sandals by Bite? I wear them but don't
    run with them -- again I like the machine -- I find them very
    comfortable. See a picture of them with custom orthotics at
    http://www.shoesorthotics.com

    -Matt

  11. FootProducts.Net said:

    Alot of runners like having custom orthotics.. I curious to know why
    they can be bad for running..

    Nobody "likes" having them, and very, very few runners do. That being
    clear, orthos are people with severe running defeciencies, that only a
    $400 ortho can compensate for, and only after exhausting all other
    avenues such as other brands and styles of shoes.

    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

  12. FootProducts.Net said:


    Alot of runners like having custom orthotics.. I curious to know why
    they can be bad for running.. I don't run myself (I like the cross
    training machine!), but have found I can stand alot longer without arch
    pain when wearing orthotics.

    Here's my opinion (not a doctor and don't play one on tv). Sometimes
    people's feet and ankles may not be used to the stresses of running and
    have problems. It may be a simple issue of strengthening the feet and
    ankle muscles, tendons, and ligaments to adapt. An orthotic fitted
    without a true diagnosis may be like a crutch - that the runner now
    needs to wear forever, possibly because range of motion is reduced.

    I do wear custom orthotics all the time, *BUT* I often wonder if my foot
    / ankle weaknesses had been diagnosed properly initially, instead of
    bandaid treatment of orthotics, if I'd be wearing them today - or
    wearing this kind.

    I'm a late overpronator (high arch) so need torsional control, and the
    3/4 length orthotics don't extend that far - AT recurred about 3 yr
    after original issues when these were fitted. A PT that I went to the
    2nd time round took the time to watch me walk and see what my problems
    were - functional and some structural. At one time he was going to
    prescribe a full-length orthotic, but started with exercises since a lot
    of my problem was function. He changed my shoes from a motion control to
    a stability shoe and had me do lots of exercises to strengthen feet and
    ankles and fix some muscle imbalances.

    There may still be some underlying issues that I need to work on, but
    going to a PT who understands running was one of the best investments I
    made. He helped me understand my weaknesses instead of giving me a
    crutch to use the rest of my life. I have tried an occasional time
    without orthotics, but I think they're functioning as heel lifts and
    arch supports that I'm used to and am hesitant to change at this point.
    I do barefoot drills in my lawn during the summer with no problems, but
    flat floors aren't comfortable. My feet don't seem comfortable in shoes
    without orthotics at this point.

    FWIW, when I'd explored some of these do-it-yourself molds at places
    like REI, the shoe sales person took a look at my existing orthotics and
    said he didn't think these do-it-yourself molds would work for the
    corrections he seemed to see in my existing orthotics.

    Orthotics may work fine for structural issues, where improving function
    may not be done through exercises.

    Just my opinion.

    Note: I don't usually respond to posters advertising their own wares,
    esp. when the web page doesn't have readily obvious credentials, but
    there's several beginners discussions where this may be a useful
    question and maybe helpful answer.

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people"
    -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  13. There's one born every minute....

    Thomas F. Maguire said:

    You may be correct, but I've been wearing this type of molded to the foot,
    mail-order, orthotic for about 25 years. Probably gone through 4 or 5 pairs
    over the years. They have kept me on the road. I'm a flat-footed,
    over-pronator and have Achilles and plantar problems if I don't wear motion
    control shoes and this type orthotic. By the way, I've never bought from the
    previously mentioned supplier. Maybe I'm just lucky, but these orthotics do
    solve or at least control some problems for me.

    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

  14. FootProducts.Net said:

    Dave,

    The lab does quality work, and you are right, orthotics can have many
    adjustments. By default, we use standard adjustments based on the foot
    impression unless our client knows exactly what he/she needs. For
    instance a heel lift can be applied if one leg is shorter, or a
    metatarsal pad can be added if more cushoning is needed at the ball of
    the foot.

    Some people can't afford the rates some podiatrists charge for custom
    inserts and many insurance companies won't pay for them. So we offer an
    alternative, especially if you want the custom touch and if you know
    what biomechanical corrections you need.

    Matt
    OrthoticShop.com

    Why tell the truth? How many people did you cripple last year with
    your junk? Go away spamming thief.

    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

  15. Yes there is one born every minute. Skipping your minute would have been
    fine with me. Any idiot including you should realize that much of running
    including orthotics is a matter of one-person empiricism. If it works when
    you use it and doesn't work when you don't, it's reasonable to keep using.

    Tom
    --
    www.DuendeDrama.org
    Bringing Plays and Stories
    to Our Schools and Communities
    The Bill Rodgers <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    There's one born every minute....

  16. Thomas F. Maguire said:

    Yes there is one born every minute. Skipping your minute would have been
    fine with me. Any idiot including you should realize that much of running
    including orthotics is a matter of one-person empiricism. If it works when
    you use it and doesn't work when you don't, it's reasonable to keep using.

    Tom

    Yes, however you're a thief trying to sell inferior junk to people who
    don't know better.

    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

  17. "Thomas F. Maguire" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Yes there is one born every minute. Skipping your minute would have been
    fine with me. Any idiot including you should realize that much of running
    including orthotics is a matter of one-person empiricism. If it works when
    you use it and doesn't work when you don't, it's reasonable to keep using.

    dude, you're selling something. you have to learn to eat [censored] a little
    better.

    Quoted message said:


    Tom
    --
    www.DuendeDrama.org
    Bringing Plays and Stories
    to Our Schools and Communities
    The Bill Rodgers <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    There's one born every minute....

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  20. FootProducts.Net said:


    Some people can't afford the rates some podiatrists charge for custom
    inserts and many insurance companies won't pay for them. So we offer an
    alternative, especially if you want the custom touch and if you know
    what biomechanical corrections you need.

    For curiosity, what percentage of people really know what biomechanical
    corrections they need - if any (may be weak or imbalance muscles
    corrected by exercise)?

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people"
    -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

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