What Happenned To Tyler ??

Churchill said:

Just heard on OLN he is out of the race !~

he's out because suffered a back injury in a crash last week and it's
still bothering him.

poor guy. i wanted to see him on the podium this year.

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Churchill said:

Just heard on OLN he is out of the race !~

he's out because suffered a back injury in a crash last week and it's
still bothering him.

poor guy. i wanted to see him on the podium this year.

I am glad to hear there is a reason he faded so badly. That would be great
to see him race in the Vuelta for the win and possibly the Olympics if the
selection committee can see the opportunity. Is it too late for that?

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Churchill said:

Just heard on OLN he is out of the race !~

he's out because suffered a back injury in a crash last week and it's
still bothering him.

poor guy. i wanted to see him on the podium this year.

I am glad to hear there is a reason he faded so badly. That would be great
to see him race in the Vuelta for the win and possibly the Olympics if the
selection committee can see the opportunity. Is it too late for that?

He's already on the team.

Mike

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Churchill wrote:

he's out because suffered a back injury in a crash last week and it's
still bothering him.

I am glad to hear there is a reason he faded so badly.

The boys at the mike commented that Tyler's upright, stiff riding position
may be contributing to his instability on the bike. You'd think someone
would have worked with him in that years ago, if such is the case. His
window is closing.

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> Churchill wrote:
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> he's out because suffered a back injury in a crash last week and it's
> still bothering him.

I am glad to hear there is a reason he faded so badly.

The boys at the mike commented that Tyler's upright, stiff riding position
may be contributing to his instability on the bike. You'd think someone
would have worked with him in that years ago, if such is the case. His
window is closing.

Maybe a little cyclocross. It will either make him a better bike
handler, or it will finish him off.

Mike

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The boys at the mike commented that Tyler's upright, stiff riding position
may be contributing to his instability on the bike. You'd think someone
would have worked with him in that years ago, if such is the case. His
window is closing.

Possibly they were referring to the back injury's effect on his riding position
because his usual position on the bike isn't that far from the norm.
BTW, commentators used to remark on Sean Kelly's unusually "hunched up"
position yet he had some small success as a rider. <g> I guess it just goes to
show that commentators must comment on *something*.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

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>>Churchill wrote:
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>>he's out because suffered a back injury in a crash last week and it's
>>still bothering him.
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>I am glad to hear there is a reason he faded so badly.

The boys at the mike commented that Tyler's upright, stiff riding position
may be contributing to his instability on the bike. You'd think someone
would have worked with him in that years ago, if such is the case. His
window is closing.

Maybe a little cyclocross. It will either make him a better bike
handler, or it will finish him off.

Mike

Did Nietsche ride a bike?

Steve

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Churchill said:

Just heard on OLN he is out of the race !~

he's out because suffered a back injury in a crash last week and it's
still bothering him.

poor guy. i wanted to see him on the podium this year.

Yep. I'm really sad to see him out. But, given the tradition of the
TDF, what more could we expect than to see Tyler in pain... (OK, bad
joke).

Eric

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The boys at the mike commented that Tyler's upright, stiff riding
position may be contributing to his instability on the bike. You'd
think someone would have worked with him in that years ago, if such
is the case. His window is closing.

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Maybe a little cyclocross. It will either make him a better bike
handler, or it will finish him off.

Did Nietsche ride a bike?

He rode with Mark Twain, who recommended that Big N should "get a bike.
You won't regret it, if you live."

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Did Nietsche ride a bike?

No, but Zarathustra did.

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Churchill said:

Just heard on OLN he is out of the race !~

he's out because suffered a back injury in a crash last week and it's
still bothering him.

poor guy. i wanted to see him on the podium this year.

Paul Sherwin says that because Tyler sit's upright this makes less stable.

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> still bothering him.

I am glad to hear there is a reason he faded so badly.

The boys at the mike commented that Tyler's upright, stiff riding position
may be contributing to his instability on the bike. You'd think someone
would have worked with him in that years ago, if such is the case. His
window is closing.

I think he looks pretty good on the bike. I would not call it "upright" but
maybe he is stiff, I don't know. I never saw anything I would criticize.

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Churchill said:

Just heard on OLN he is out of the race !~

he's out because suffered a back injury in a crash last week and it's
still bothering him.

poor guy. i wanted to see him on the podium this year.

Paul Sherwin says that because Tyler sit's upright this makes less stable.

He said it makes him "rigid" which is true. But the main side effect of
that problem is that he's not using all of his available musculature to a)
produce energy and b) spread the load to minimize fatigue. Suppleness in
motion is essential to any sport. Tyler also has horrible ITT form, though
it certainly comes with plenty of power.

-Sonarrat.

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Did Nietsche ride a bike?

No, but Zarathustra did.

So he said.

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Churchill <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Just heard on OLN he is out of the race !~

he's out because suffered a back injury in a crash last week and
it's still bothering him.

poor guy. i wanted to see him on the podium this year.

Paul Sherwin says that because Tyler sit's upright this makes less
stable.

He said it makes him "rigid" which is true.

Humm. Lots of people sit with relatively upright positions and are
not "rigid." It's more likely that the upright position is the result
of some rigidity in Hamilton's body (tight hamstrings, for example)
rather than the other way 'round.

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But the main side effect of that problem is that he's not using all
of his available musculature to a) produce energy and b) spread the
load to minimize fatigue. Suppleness in motion is essential to any
sport. Tyler also has horrible ITT form, though it certainly comes
with plenty of power.

He can kick any of our asses on a bike...

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Sonarrat said:

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>> Just heard on OLN he is out of the race !~
>
> he's out because suffered a back injury in a crash last week and
> it's still bothering him.
>
> poor guy. i wanted to see him on the podium this year.

Paul Sherwin says that because Tyler sit's upright this makes less
stable.

He said it makes him "rigid" which is true.

Humm. Lots of people sit with relatively upright positions and are
not "rigid." It's more likely that the upright position is the result
of some rigidity in Hamilton's body (tight hamstrings, for example)
rather than the other way 'round.

May be possible as well. My comments still apply, especially for a sport
like cycling where the paragon is smoothness, refinement, elegance and one
of the major players disregards all of them.

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But the main side effect of that problem is that he's not using all
of his available musculature to a) produce energy and b) spread the
load to minimize fatigue. Suppleness in motion is essential to any
sport. Tyler also has horrible ITT form, though it certainly comes
with plenty of power.

He can kick any of our asses on a bike...

Well of course he could. But how much better could he be if he could use
his body properly?

-Sonarrat.

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Sonarrat said:

He said it makes him "rigid" which is true.

Humm. Lots of people sit with relatively upright positions and are
not "rigid." It's more likely that the upright position is the
result of some rigidity in Hamilton's body (tight hamstrings, for
example) rather than the other way 'round.

May be possible as well. My comments still apply, especially for a
sport like cycling where the paragon is smoothness, refinement,
elegance and one of the major players disregards all of them.

"Disregards" them? LOL. Have you had a look at some other riders?
Lance's position is nothing to write home about whether on his road
bike or his TT bike; neither is Virenque's. Indurain's position was
none too great either (he was less aerodynamic on his TT bike than his
road bike, according to the wind tunnel testing). How about Sean
Kelly, who had possibly the worst position of modern times? He won a
few races.

You can pontificate all you want about smoothness, refinement and
elegance but that's not what wins bike races. Getting to the finish
line first is what wins bike races; one's position on the bike merely
has to be good enough. The opinions of armchair experts counts for
less than nothing.

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But the main side effect of that problem is that he's not using
all of his available musculature to a) produce energy and b)
spread the load to minimize fatigue. Suppleness in motion is
essential to any sport. Tyler also has horrible ITT form, though
it certainly comes with plenty of power.

He can kick any of our asses on a bike...

Well of course he could. But how much better could he be if he
could use his body properly?

I doubt much could be gained. This is a guy, after all, who has
worked for 10 years as a pro cyclist with some of the best advisors in
the world. If they though a difference could be had from changing his
position, his position would have been changed.

Sherwen's point, BTW, was not that Hamilton's position hampers his
performance. It was that Hamilton's position results in him falling
off the bike regularly (2002 Giro, 2003 Tour, 2004 Tour) and getting
injured.

Tim McNamara said:

Sherwen's point, BTW, was not that Hamilton's position hampers his
performance. It was that Hamilton's position results in him falling
off the bike regularly (2002 Giro, 2003 Tour, 2004 Tour) and getting
injured.

That's the impression I got too.

In all fairness though, the injury that took Hamilton out of the TdF
wasn't caused by his position on his bike, it was caused by that massive
pile-up under the 1 km flag on Stage 6.

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Churchill <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Just heard on OLN he is out of the race !~

he's out because suffered a back injury in a crash last week and it's
still bothering him.

poor guy. i wanted to see him on the podium this year.

Paul Sherwin says that because Tyler sit's upright this makes less stable.

He said it makes him "rigid" which is true. But the main side effect of
that problem is that he's not using all of his available musculature to a)
produce energy and b) spread the load to minimize fatigue. Suppleness in
motion is essential to any sport. Tyler also has horrible ITT form, though
it certainly comes with plenty of power.

Not certain, but I have not had time to study Hamilton's position. My
only guess is that Tylers arms are rigid. Now this could make him more
prone to crashing. But I have not heard that simply sitting upright
will make a person more prone to crashing.

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-Sonarrat.