What does neuropathy feel like?

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Larry Hazel said:

I'm T2 with good control. For the last 2 weeks, I've had pain in my wrists and the tops of my
feet. It feels like muscle soreness. I occasionally have similar pain in a knee, elbow, or
shoulder, but that usually goes away in a day or two.

I have ulnar neuropathy, which feels as though my funnybone has been hit 24 hours a day. Some times
are worse than others, but it never goes away. I have been told that that tingling yet numb
sensation is typical for most neuropathies, but only know about ulnar neuropathy frm personal
experience.

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Larry Hazel wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

I'm T2 with good control. For the last 2 weeks, I've had pain in my wrists and the tops of my feet.
It feels like muscle soreness. I occasionally have similar pain in a knee, elbow, or shoulder, but
that usually goes away in a day or two.

Could this be neuropathy?

Larry

The most common neuropathy attacks the "longest" nerves first.

Therefore, the most common neuropathy attacks the bottom of the feet and the tips of the
fingers first.

The foot doctors** talk about a "moccasin effect", i.e. the most common neuropathy will attack an
area of the foot roughly the shape of a moccasin.

That means that the problem you report does not fit the profile of the "most common first attack".

BTW: It also doesn't fit the profiles of the most common types of sensation, i.e. numbness, pins and
needles, and deep stabbing or burning pain.

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My personal experiences with OA suggest your symptoms are consistent with arthritis. (like diabetes,
a disease not-for-wimps)

Also, these symptoms are "a bit like" the warnings (nebulous joint pain) about statin anti-
cholesterol meds so be aware if you happen to be on statins.

**I worked the Support Group Table at a Diabetes Expo Saturday but was able to sit in on a DPM Foot
Doctor's 45-minute speech.

Holy Mackerel!

I'd forgotten how important it is for all diabetics to listen to a DPM lecture on diabetic foot
problems on a regular basis. (Hint, Hint, Nag, Nag)

Regards
Old Al

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Quoted message said:

I'm T2 with good control. For the last 2 weeks, I've had pain in my wrists and the tops of my
feet. It feels like muscle soreness. I occasionally have similar pain in a knee, elbow, or
shoulder, but that usually goes away in a day or two.

Could this be neuropathy?

Could be. The pain I had in my feet felt like I was walking on pebbles. Seams in shoes or too tight
socks were painful. I also had pains that felt like a giant hand was crushing my feet, breaking the
bones. Sometimes there would be stabbing pains and/or numbness. My feet would feel icy cold. Nothing
would make them warm. Other times, there would be no pain at all, but I couldn't feel that my feet
were there. And then I would get terrible muscle cramps in my feet and lower legs.

I should add that I have some other medical problems aside from Neuropathy. So it would be difficult
for me to know what all pains and such were caused by the Neuropathy.

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Larry Hazel said:

I'm T2 with good control. For the last 2 weeks, I've had pain in my wrists and the tops of my
feet. It feels like muscle soreness. I occasionally have similar pain in a knee, elbow, or
shoulder, but that usually goes away in a day or two.

Could this be neuropathy?

Larry

I'm T2 with good control also. Right after I was diagnosed (Dec 02) I noticed that my hands were
feeling very warm - hot in fact. I couldn't find any reference to warm or hot hands on the internet.
Typically, references to neuropathy talk about numbness or pain - mine was neither, just this very
warm sensation. Finally, on this group I believe, I saw someone talk about neuropathy had a
numbness, tingling or burning sensation.

Additionally, I have only had neuropathy in my hands - not my feet as most people do. That said I
have lately decided that my pain in my calves and restless leg syndrome was probably neuropathy
also, just manifested differently than in most people.

I just wanted to let everyone know that neuropathy, like everything else with this damned condition
is very individualized and as always YMMV.

Later, Jerry

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 05:26:48 -0600, Larry Hazel <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I'm T2 with good control. For the last 2 weeks, I've had pain in my wrists and the tops of my feet.
It feels like muscle soreness. I occasionally have similar pain in a knee, elbow, or shoulder, but
that usually goes away in a day or two.

Could this be neuropathy?

Do you have any back or neck pain? A pinched nerve can cause all sorts of aches and pains.

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I'm T2 with good control. For the last 2 weeks, I've had pain in my wrists and the tops of my feet.
It feels like muscle soreness. I occasionally have similar pain in a knee, elbow, or shoulder, but
that usually goes away in a day or two.

Could this be neuropathy?

Larry

I think that neuropathy feels like nothing. Basically nerves are dead and the ones that are still
dying can give you bee stings in the toes and ball of the foot or perhaps the hands later on. The
bottoms of my feet feel kind of dead like they were coated with thick plastic. I suspect this
progresses until you could step on a thumbtack and not feel it. Well, let's hear from some old
timers on this subject, I am only almost 59. JL

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Larry Hazel said:

I'm T2 with good control. For the last 2 weeks, I've had pain in my wrists and the tops of my
feet. It feels like muscle soreness. I occasionally have similar pain in a knee, elbow, or
shoulder, but that usually goes away in a day or two.

Could this be neuropathy?

Larry

Went to the doctor today.

Good news: Not neuropathy and not arthritis. Tendinitis - take hydrocodone and don't attempt any
physical labor until ligaments heal.

Doctor wants to get a reference EKG while I'm there.

Bad news: Coarse atrial fibrillation. Got an appointment with a cardiologist Monday. Sigh - I don't
need this.

Larry

I had to have the ulnar nerve surgery. My pinky and ring fingers were becoming almost useless. Had
both arms done 6 weeks apart. The left arm has some permanent damage. Had a great surgeon. Both
hands are pretty much back to normal and the scars barely show. The only time I have problems now is
when I'm stressed or my BG gets too high. I was not diagnosed diabetic at the time, but I have a
feeling I was. I was diagnosed about 6mos. after the surgery. I have no regrets having it done. I'm
an artist and I kinda am used to having well function fingers. c

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In article said:

I'm T2 with good control. For the last 2 weeks, I've had pain in my wrists and the tops of my
feet. It feels like muscle soreness. I occasionally have similar pain in a knee, elbow, or
shoulder, but that usually goes away in a day or two.

I have ulnar neuropathy, which feels as though my funnybone has been hit 24 hours a day. Some
times are worse than others, but it never goes away. I have been told that that tingling yet numb
sensation is typical for most neuropathies, but only know about ulnar neuropathy frm personal
experience.

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"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather

oldal4865 said:

Larry Hazel wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

I'm T2 with good control. For the last 2 weeks, I've had pain in my wrists and the tops of my
feet. It feels like muscle soreness. I occasionally have similar pain in a knee, elbow, or
shoulder, but that usually goes away in a day or two.

Could this be neuropathy?

Larry

The most common neuropathy attacks the "longest" nerves first.

Therefore, the most common neuropathy attacks the bottom of the feet and the tips of the
fingers first.

The foot doctors** talk about a "moccasin effect", i.e. the most common neuropathy will attack an
area of the foot roughly the shape of a moccasin.

That means that the problem you report does not fit the profile of the "most common first attack".

BTW: It also doesn't fit the profiles of the most common types of sensation, i.e. numbness, pins
and needles, and deep stabbing or burning pain.

epodiatry.comneuropathy.htmOpen ↗

My personal experiences with OA suggest your symptoms are consistent with arthritis. (like
diabetes, a disease not-for-wimps)

Also, these symptoms are "a bit like" the warnings (nebulous joint pain) about statin anti-
cholesterol meds so be aware if you happen to be on statins.

**I worked the Support Group Table at a Diabetes Expo Saturday but was able to sit in on a DPM
Foot Doctor's 45-minute speech.

Holy Mackerel!

I'd forgotten how important it is for all diabetics to listen to a DPM lecture on diabetic foot
problems on a regular basis. (Hint, Hint, Nag, Nag)

Regards
Old Al

May be arthritis. I take only actos and zyrtec - no statins.

Hi_Therre said:

Larry Hazel said:

I'm T2 with good control. For the last 2 weeks, I've had pain in my wrists and the tops of my
feet. It feels like muscle soreness. I occasionally have similar pain in a knee, elbow, or
shoulder, but that usually goes away in a day or two.

Could this be neuropathy?

Do you have any back or neck pain? A pinched nerve can cause all sorts of aches and pains.

I have a slipped lumbar disk which used to cause leg pain, but hasn't in quite a while. I can't
believe it would affect my wrists.

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Quoted message said:

**I worked the Support Group Table at a Diabetes Expo Saturday but was

able to sit in on a DPM Foot Doctor's 45-minute speech.

Quoted message said:

Holy Mackerel!

I'd forgotten how important it is for all diabetics to listen to a DPM

lecture on diabetic foot problems on a regular basis. (Hint, Hint, Nag, Nag)

Quoted message said:

These lectures are especially inspirational (in getting you to at least *look* at your feet) when
accompanied by Really Gross Pictures. Similar lectures can be given by dermatologists, to inspire
you to not-ignore that sore! bj

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Quoted message said:

I'm T2 with good control. For the last 2 weeks, I've had pain in my wrists and the tops of my
feet. It feels like muscle soreness. I occasionally have similar pain in a knee, elbow, or
shoulder, but that usually goes away in a day or two.

Could this be neuropathy?

Larry

I think that neuropathy feels like nothing. Basically nerves are dead and the ones that are still
dying can give you bee stings in the toes and ball of the foot or perhaps the hands later on. The
bottoms of my feet feel

kind

Quoted message said:

of dead like they were coated with thick plastic. I suspect this

progresses

Quoted message said:

until you could step on a thumbtack and not feel it. Well, let's hear

from

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some old timers on this subject, I am only almost 59.

I forgot one thing, because I no longer have this symptom. At times, it felt like my feet were
encased in very thick socks, although they were still cold. As for pain? You bet! I never got any
bee stings. I got horrible stabbing, crushing, cramping pains.

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Larry Hazel said:

I'm T2 with good control. For the last 2 weeks, I've had pain in my wrists and the tops of my
feet. It feels like muscle soreness. I occasionally have similar pain in a knee, elbow, or
shoulder, but that usually goes away in a day or two.

Could this be neuropathy?

Larry

Went to the doctor today.

Good news: Not neuropathy and not arthritis. Tendinitis - take hydrocodone and don't attempt any
physical labor until ligaments heal.

Doctor wants to get a reference EKG while I'm there.

Bad news: Coarse atrial fibrillation. Got an appointment with a cardiologist Monday. Sigh - I
don't need this.

Larry

Larry Hazel said:

oldal4865 said:

Larry Hazel wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

I'm T2 with good control. For the last 2 weeks, I've had pain in my wrists and the tops of my
feet. It feels like muscle soreness. I occasionally have similar pain in a knee, elbow, or
shoulder, but that usually goes away in a day or two.

Could this be neuropathy?

Larry

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Regards
Old Al

May be arthritis. I take only actos and zyrtec - no statins.

Hmmm - Just looked up possible side effects of actos. Muscle soreness is one of them. Guess I need
to ask my doctor about that.

Larry

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Quoted message said:

I'm T2 with good control. For the last 2 weeks, I've had pain in my wrists and the tops of my
feet. It feels like muscle soreness. I occasionally have similar pain in a knee, elbow, or
shoulder, but that usually goes away in a day or two.

Could this be neuropathy?

Larry

I think that neuropathy feels like nothing. Basically nerves are dead and the ones that are still
dying can give you bee stings in the toes and ball of the foot or perhaps the hands later on. The
bottoms of my feet feel

kind

Quoted message said:

of dead like they were coated with thick plastic. I suspect this

progresses

Quoted message said:

until you could step on a thumbtack and not feel it. Well, let's hear

from

Quoted message said:

some old timers on this subject, I am only almost 59.

I forgot one thing, because I no longer have this symptom. At times, it felt like my feet were
encased in very thick socks, although they were still cold. As for pain? You bet! I never got any
bee stings. I got horrible stabbing, crushing, cramping pains.

The problems vary depending on what nerves are being damaged. On common thing is severe burning of
the feet and hands. One symptom is similar to when you set on your legs too long and try to rise..

Finally when the nerves are "dead" you have numbness.

It was interesting to note that when I finally improved control the burning and tingling seemed to
be more severe for a while. Probably as the nerves recovered.but finally I had a great improvement.

If you do not want to go to the trouble of good control you can get a very miserable situation where
no amount of "talk"will help. All I know is that I do not want to go back to the miserable pain and
burning I endured for quite a while. That cake looks so good---forget it

Rationalization works in political and social situations. No effect in physical illness, Mother
nature is very deaf. Guy

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The problems vary depending on what nerves are being damaged. On common thing is severe burning of
the feet and hands. One symptom is similar to when you set on your legs too long and try to rise..

Finally when the nerves are "dead" you have numbness.

Odd, but one thing I noticed when my feet and legs were really bad, I no longer got that numbness
that I used to get, such as you describe. It's what we used to call "Foot has gone to sleep". This
used to be a common problem for me, but one day I noticed that I could stay in one position for a
very long time and it never happened. At the time, I thought this was pretty cool because I thought
it meant that my circulation was improving. Now I know it was probably just the opposite. Things had
gotten so bad, I no longer had the feeling. Not even numbness!

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It was interesting to note that when I finally improved control the burning and tingling seemed to
be more severe for a while. Probably as the nerves recovered.but finally I had a great
improvement.

Same with me. The drastic change happened when I got the compression hoisery for my leg vein
problem. The pain was so severe for several days when I first started wearing them that at times it
was unbearable. I would lie in bed, thrashing my legs around, wishing I could somehow escape it. And
then suddenly, there was no pain! I have to be careful how I sit now because my feet will indeed go
to sleep if I sit in the wrong position for too long. My Mom thinks in my case, the swelling from
the leaky veins caused the nerves to become compressed, adding to my woes. Once that swelling went
down, the nerves started going back to normal again. But not totally normal. I still can't allow my
BG to go >150 or I'll have pain.

Quoted message said:

If you do not want to go to the trouble of good control you can get a very miserable situation
where no amount of "talk"will help. All I know is that I do not want to go back to the miserable
pain and burning I endured for quite a while. That cake looks so good---forget it

Exactly! People don't understand it when I won't eat just one cookie or whatever sweet they are
offering me. No amount of pain is worth that.

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Rationalization works in political and social situations. No effect in physical illness, Mother
nature is very deaf.

Yep.

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