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  1. Original post
    Anna_P
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    Hi to everyone on this great forum. My name is Anna and I live in the Netherlands. I am currently translating a biography on Marco Pantani and there is something I cannot figure out.

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    [font=Times New Roman]The quality of the group that included Marco led the club to look for expert help, so in 1984 the Fausto Coppi called Vittorio Savini, a former technical director of the amateur Giro d’Italia and the brother of a journeyman professional, Claudio Savini.[/font]

    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana]Could anyone tell me what 'journeyman professonal' means? Is Claudio Savini just a professional cyclist, is he a domestique or what 😕 [/font][/font]
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    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana]I hope someone will be able to tell me... thank you 🙂 [/font][/font]

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  2. lwedge
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    Anna_P said:

    Hi to everyone on this great forum. My name is Anna and I live in the Netherlands. I am currently translating a biography on Marco Pantani and there is something I cannot figure out.

    I quote:

    [font=Times New Roman]The quality of the group that included Marco led the club to look for expert help, so in 1984 the Fausto Coppi called Vittorio Savini, a former technical director of the amateur Giro d’Italia and the brother of a journeyman professional, Claudio Savini.[/font]

    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana]Could anyone tell me what 'journeyman professonal' means? Is Claudio Savini just a professional cyclist, is he a domestique or what 😕 [/font][/font]
    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana][/font][/font]
    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana]I hope someone will be able to tell me... thank you 🙂 [/font][/font]


    Professional: He was getting paid to perform.

    Journeyman: Implies having experience at a trade or one who knows the trade well enough to teach an apprentice or novice. This term is better used for trades or crafts such as a Mason, or a Carpenter.

    A better term in my opinion would be Veteran: A person who has long experience in an activity.

    Both terms imply that someone has done some activity for a long time and has expert experience at the activity.

    Lw

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  3. El Loto
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    If you think of a journeyman boxer then they have been around for a while, fought many people and not necessarily the best around but still employable and will still give 100%.

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  4. limerickman
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    Anna_P said:

    Hi to everyone on this great forum. My name is Anna and I live in the Netherlands. I am currently translating a biography on Marco Pantani and there is something I cannot figure out.

    I quote:

    [font=Times New Roman]The quality of the group that included Marco led the club to look for expert help, so in 1984 the Fausto Coppi called Vittorio Savini, a former technical director of the amateur Giro d’Italia and the brother of a journeyman professional, Claudio Savini.[/font]

    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana]Could anyone tell me what 'journeyman professonal' means? Is Claudio Savini just a professional cyclist, is he a domestique or what 😕 [/font][/font]
    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana][/font][/font]
    [font=Times New Roman][font=Verdana]I hope someone will be able to tell me... thank you 🙂 [/font][/font]

    Welcome Anna.

    Following on from El Loto's very good definition of "journeyman" - the term journeyman can also suggest that the rider in question may not have been a rider who won many races, but nonethesless was a rider who had worked hard for his team and is well respected in the peloton.

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  5. Anna_P
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    Thank you all very very much... I know now how to translate it and it had saved me a lot of work 🙂

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  6. RickF
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    Anna_P said:

    Thank you all very very much... I know now how to translate it and it had saved me a lot of work 🙂

    The term "journeyman" also is used to describe an experienced professional who has moved from team to team to team instead of spending his entire career on one team.

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  7. RenegadeKing
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    everyone on this forum is so nice, i like it 😎

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