You want to get better, this machine might help. I don't know a thing about
it , but if it trains your mind and body to relax I say good. I your really
concerned about yourself and others, you might look into a support group for
people with anxiety. We need more of that. and as people get well and share
their experiences, I think it can happen. "Peter Nolan" <[email hidden]>
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"gabatril" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:I have researched the alternatives rather desperately
lately and have even come to the point where I have
bought myself a (light and sound machine)named Proteus
it costed me about 200$ and I must say that it's really
value for money, It works by entraining the brain to
altered states like Meditation.
Another Device I have looked at is working in about the
same way but instead off light and sound as stimulation
it uses very weak current as stimulation its a CES-
device(Cranial Electrical Stimulation)it seems very
advanced compared to other CES devices and it costs
about 700$ so the price is a little high but as I always
say,if it even have some minor effect its worth every
penny,the name off the device is Neurotrek-digital
www.elixa.com it's the latest on mindtech it haven't
been out on the marked for longer than a year so I could
not find that much info on it on the web or here on
Usenet but I found one post where I guy told that he had
even quitted medication I have dogged up some links that
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if any buy some off these machines and finds that it
helps I would be glad to hear about it mail me at
[email hidden] one thing I was thinking about was
that if people where willing we could even set up a
support group for people that finds these machines
beneficial
Hello Gabatril,
I haven't used this type of equipment or related
equipment. You have been doing a lot of research. Well
done. However I am very interested in the possibility that
machinery(electronic devices) may work. I built the
following system. I get to the point eventually. I don't
know if you have been following my theories on the the
causes of Social Phobia but for me non verbal hostile
communication is without doubt one the ways that I ended
up with Social Phobia. Let me give you an
example.
Quoted message said:I go for a walk every day and once in a blue moon while
I'm walking close
to
Quoted message said:the garden walls along the footpath I suddenly look up to
discover that another person is only a few yards away and
heading straight for me. One of us has to give away and
move to one side and with only a few exceptions I opt to
move aside towards the middle of the footpath or side walk
as Americans call it. In this case emotions can run very
high as I
will
Quoted message said:explain later if one or other of the two people heading
for each other adopts an uncompomising stance. I must
admit I have won a few of these battles of will and
determination to have ones own and by forcing the
other
Quoted message said:person to change their direction one effectively dominates
that person something that no one likes to have done to
them. Another example of non verbal hostile communication
is when an [censored]
jumps
Quoted message said:a queue. I saw an expert at this when I was working here
in Dublin at a University and this guy's behaviour was
appalling but no one as far as I know challenged him as he
barged up to the front of the queue in the
canteen
Quoted message said:to be served without having to wait. Think about what
people like this are actually saying non verbally to the
people they mistreat in this way. However it really gets
much more complicated than this. There is a whole language
of hate based on hostile non verbal communication and I
wish I could go into more detail about the subtler aspects
of this. I asked the group some time ago to watch as
carefully as they can how others actions
are
Quoted message said:affecting them as people react in a non verbal way to what
you may be
doing.
Quoted message said:I know for a fact this is very hard if not impossible to
do but I am able finally able to do it. It's a little
easier for me now now that I'm almost
51. You are a younger guy and I know how hard it would be
for you to keep track of how others are reacting to
you in an abrasive way non verbally. Let me give you
one more fantastic example of hostile non verbal
communication that behavioural psychologists have
discovered something I worked out for myself many,
many years ago. There was a programme on
Channel
Quoted message said:4(www.channel4.com ) one of the UK's terrestrial TV
stations called Body Talk presented by a Professor of
Experimental Psychology who till recently worked in the
University of Oxford. The Professor's name is Peter Collet
and
Quoted message said:there is some stuff about him on the web. He described the
way how one person dominates another by insisting that the
other person go through a door they are both going
through, first. He gave an example that I
happened
Quoted message said:to observe on a news bulletin where Yasser Arafat and an
Israeli Prime Minister were in Camp David in America at a
meeting to try to come to some agreement about easing the
tension in Israel and the territories
controlled
Quoted message said:by the Palestinians. The two men were heading for a door
after the
American
Quoted message said:President had already passed through the door. Yasser
Arafat and the
Israeli
Quoted message said:PM battled with each other at the door to force the other
to go through
the
Quoted message said:door first! Absolutely true! The person who is forced to
go through the
door
Quoted message said:first loses control and is dominated and mistreated by the
other person.
The
Quoted message said:amazing part of this trick so many people use is that the
person forcing
the
Quoted message said:other person to go through the door first makes it look
like they are behaving like a real gentleman. Nothing
could be further from the truth.
So,
Quoted message said:Gabatril, the next time someone forces you to go through a
door before
them
Quoted message said:try your best to feel the tension you will feel when some
[censored] does
this
Quoted message said:disgusting thing to you. This is what I'm talking about
when I begged the group to take note of how you are
feeling as other people react in a non verbal way to what
you are doing. This is at the very heart of why I now
suffer from Social Phobia. It's always the little things
that make life wonderful or a living heall like it is for
most of us in this group. Like I said there is no end to
the ways people hurt others using the most subtle abusive
non verbal communication. So having worked all this out I
thought I might be able to reprogram
myself
Quoted message said:to feel better each time I moved in a chair while watching
TV. I bought a PIR, Passive Infrared Sensor, that is used
in burglar alarms to detect
when
Quoted message said:someone enters a room that is being monitored. These PIR's
detect body movements for example when I change my
position in the chair watching TV.
I
Quoted message said:then connected the PIR to a door chime so that every time
I moved in the chair the door chime would sound! In this
way I was hoping to reprogram myself to feel better when I
moved in the chair watching TV. My parents, using a vast
number of tricks that I unfortunately cannot describe
right now, have programmed me to feel tense each time I
make any movement just like the tension I feel in my chest
right now as I type out this post. That's how bad things
are for me but that is how bad things are for most
of
Quoted message said:us in the group. We are so scared we are even afraid of
our own thoughts. Right? Of course right! By interacting
with me in this abusive non verbal way they positively
love to do my parents were able in effect to get right
inside my poor head where I now feel like I cannot have a
thought or
feeling
Quoted message said:without feeling that others can tell roughly what I'm
thinking about or feeling. I'm not saytig that people can
read my thoughts. No way, but it feels like I'm
transparent to the world and this is one of the things
psychiatrists and psychologists know about us as people
with Social
Phobia.
Quoted message said:It's just that I know why we feel this way! 🙂 So I used
to sit there for at least an hour each day listening to
the door chime sounding each time I moved in the chair
watching TV for about three months but I'm very sad to say
that this therapy I had such great hopes
for
Quoted message said:didn't work and this is what I want to say to you now,
Gabatril. In my opinion there is no device/machine on the
market that can make any real difference to us but I don't
want you to take my word for it. The machines you
described are very expensive and I've heard about the Mind
Mirror but
I
Quoted message said:would not consider buying it. There are all kinds of Bio-
Feedback systems
on
Quoted message said:the market. I built one myself about 24 years ago. It was
a highly
sensitve
Quoted message said:digital thermometer but I got nowhere with it. These
systems attempt to
give
Quoted message said:people a feeling of control and I think you will agree
that we feel we
have
Quoted message said:no control over anything at all! Right? Of course right!
There is more to curing this illness than feeling in
control but for sure having control is vital for
happiness. We have a Bio-Feedback clinic here in Dublin in
St. Vincents general hospital which is one of the bigger
hospitals in the city but I wouldn't want to use Bio-
Feedback to help me get rid of Social Phobia. Does what
I've
Quoted message said:said help you?
Peter Nolan. Dublin.
ps I've copied your post to my Social Phobia folder.
