What do Homeopathic/Naturopathic....

Kathryn Friesen said:

Practitioners die from? On another alternative health forum, someone
made a big deal about Dr. H. (the "founder" of Homeopathy...sorry
I'm not good on the spelling of his name, too German) not passing on
until he was in his 80ties from, although she didn't say , but inferred,
merely Old Age, when the life span back in the early 1800s was
shorter. Apparently this statement was in favor of homeopathy.

Average life span was shorter, mostly due to high infant
and child mortality, but that does mean living into one's
80's was unusual. I've got a rather thorough genealogy
of myself, and those of my ancestors who lived
at the time of the American Revolution mostly lived into
their 70's and many lived into their 80's. If you survived
into adulthood, there was a good chance you'd live a
long life.

Mark Thorson said:

Average life span was shorter, mostly due to high infant
and child mortality, but that does mean living into one's
80's was unusual.

I meant "doesn't mean".

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Practitioners die from? On another alternative health forum, someone
made a big deal about Dr. H. (the "founder" of Homeopathy...sorry I'm
not good on the spelling of his name, too German) not passing on until
he was in his 80ties from, although she didn't say , but inferred,
merely Old Age, when the life span back in the early 1800s was shorter.
Apparently this statement was in favor of homeopathy.

Many died young in those days from tuberculosis (once killed off one seventh
of the population, according to one source), simple infections and injuries,
and epidemic illnesses such as smallpox, diptheria, whooping cough.
Perinatal and infant mortality was also horrendous. Thus *average* life
expectancies were very low.

But those escaping such misfortunes could live on to a ripe old age. It
proves nothing.

It is interesting to note that life expectancies have been increasing even
over recent decades, despite many doomsayers within alternative medicine and
environmental movements.

Peter Moran.

Kathryn said:

BTW, what does "death from "natural causes" mean? What does it mean
when one dies of "old age"? Is there a particular age barrier one
crosses to be in this category?

"Natural causes" means just that; death was caused by a natural process.
Disease is a natural cause. A bullet through the heart is not a natural
cause.

Dying of "old age" just means that the body has shut down. If nothing
else kills someone before their organs just stop working properly, that
is what kills one. It gets attributed to "natural causes". There's no
magic age to reach, at least that I've heard.

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Kathryn Friesen said:

Practitioners die from?

Well, there's always that old joke about the homeopathy patient who
forgot to take his medicine and died of an overdose.

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On another alternative health forum, someone made a big deal about
Dr. H. (the "founder" of Homeopathy...sorry I'm not good on the
spelling of his name, too German) not passing on until he was in his
80ties from, although she didn't say , but inferred,
merely Old Age, when the life span back in the early 1800s was shorter.
Apparently this statement was in favor of homeopathy.

As others have pointed out, not really. I know that many of my
ancestors who lived around that time lived to be that old; one
even lived to be 100.

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BTW, what does "death from "natural causes" mean? What does it mean
when one dies of "old age"? Is there a particular age barrier one
crosses to be in this category?

Not really. It's even a little hard to say what it means; I suppose
you could say if you don't die of trauma, you died of natural causes.
But that could include infectious disease, or cancer. "Natural" in
some sense, but what if your cancer was caused by smoking? Is that
natural?

Similarly, dying of "old age" is a pretty ill-defined idea. Just
means some organ gave out, usually, but that is also question-begging.
If the same thing happened to a person in her 30s, it wouldn't be
considered dying of "old age," even if the cause were the same.

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"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
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They will die from whatever we die from shortness of breath and the other
escalading rates of diseases related to death.
Anth

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Practitioners die from? On another alternative health forum, someone
made a big deal about Dr. H. (the "founder" of Homeopathy...sorry I'm
not good on the spelling of his name, too German) not passing on until
he was in his 80ties from, although she didn't say , but inferred,
merely Old Age, when the life span back in the early 1800s was shorter.
Apparently this statement was in favor of homeopathy.

BTW, what does "death from "natural causes" mean? What does it mean
when one dies of "old age"? Is there a particular age barrier one
crosses to be in this category?

Natural causes - death from something that isn't apparent.
Anth

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Practitioners die from? On another alternative health forum, someone
made a big deal about Dr. H. (the "founder" of Homeopathy...sorry I'm
not good on the spelling of his name, too German) not passing on until
he was in his 80ties from, although she didn't say , but inferred,
merely Old Age, when the life span back in the early 1800s was shorter.
Apparently this statement was in favor of homeopathy.

BTW, what does "death from "natural causes" mean? What does it mean
when one dies of "old age"? Is there a particular age barrier one
crosses to be in this category?

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BTW, what does "death from "natural causes" mean? What does it mean
when one dies of "old age"? Is there a particular age barrier one
crosses to be in this category?

Not really. It's even a little hard to say what it means; I suppose
you could say if you don't die of trauma, you died of natural causes.
But that could include infectious disease, or cancer. "Natural" in
some sense, but what if your cancer was caused by smoking? Is that
natural?

"Natural causes" is a *legal* term, basically meaning "death for any reason
other than homicide, suicide, accident, act of war, etc." It mostly has to
do with whether others can be held responsible for a person's death.

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BTW, what does "death from "natural causes" mean? What does it mean
when one dies of "old age"? Is there a particular age barrier one
crosses to be in this category?

Not really. It's even a little hard to say what it means; I suppose
you could say if you don't die of trauma, you died of natural causes.
But that could include infectious disease, or cancer. "Natural" in
some sense, but what if your cancer was caused by smoking? Is that
natural?

"Natural causes" is a *legal* term, basically meaning "death for any reason
other than homicide, suicide, accident, act of war, etc." It mostly has to
do with whether others can be held responsible for a person's death.

Otherwise, you could have results like the following:

"He died of natural causes."
"Natural causes? He was shot six times!"
"It's natural to die after being shot six times."

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

(Kathryn Friesen) said:

Practitioners die from? On another alternative health forum, someone
made a big deal about Dr. H. (the "founder" of Homeopathy...sorry I'm
not good on the spelling of his name, too German) not passing on until
he was in his 80ties from, although she didn't say , but inferred,
merely Old Age, when the life span back in the early 1800s was shorter.

The AVERAGE life span was shorter, because so many died as
children, and women died far more often in childbirth, but once
past childbearing years for women, or into adulthood for males,
living into one's 80s was fairly common for all but the extremely
poor.

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Apparently this statement was in favor of homeopathy.

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BTW, what does "death from "natural causes" mean?

Natural causes: anything except acts by another person
(homicide, manslaughter), physical trauma (car accidents, fires,
drowning, etc.) and epidemic diseases.

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What does it mean
when one dies of "old age"? Is there a particular age barrier one
crosses to be in this category?

70 or so. Normally now a death cert has the main cause of death
listed, not "old age'.

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politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
your kid and run for your life.

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>BTW, what does "death from "natural causes" mean? What does it mean
>when one dies of "old age"? Is there a particular age barrier one
>crosses to be in this category?

Not really. It's even a little hard to say what it means; I suppose
you could say if you don't die of trauma, you died of natural causes.
But that could include infectious disease, or cancer. "Natural" in
some sense, but what if your cancer was caused by smoking? Is that
natural?

"Natural causes" is a *legal* term, basically meaning "death for any

reason

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other than homicide, suicide, accident, act of war, etc." It mostly has

to

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do with whether others can be held responsible for a person's death.

Otherwise, you could have results like the following:

"He died of natural causes."
"Natural causes? He was shot six times!"
"It's natural to die after being shot six times."

Lead is "all natural."

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>>BTW, what does "death from "natural causes" mean? What does it mean
>>when one dies of "old age"? Is there a particular age barrier one
>>crosses to be in this category?
>
> Not really. It's even a little hard to say what it means; I suppose
> you could say if you don't die of trauma, you died of natural causes.
> But that could include infectious disease, or cancer. "Natural" in
> some sense, but what if your cancer was caused by smoking? Is that
> natural?

"Natural causes" is a *legal* term, basically meaning "death for any

reason

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other than homicide, suicide, accident, act of war, etc." It mostly

has

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to

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do with whether others can be held responsible for a person's death.

Otherwise, you could have results like the following:

"He died of natural causes."
"Natural causes? He was shot six times!"
"It's natural to die after being shot six times."

Lead is "all natural."

So is Yersinia pestis

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It all makes perfect sense,
expressed in dollars and cents, pounds, shillings and pence

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>>>BTW, what does "death from "natural causes" mean? What does it mean
>>>when one dies of "old age"? Is there a particular age barrier one
>>>crosses to be in this category?
>>
>> Not really. It's even a little hard to say what it means; I suppose
>> you could say if you don't die of trauma, you died of natural causes.
>> But that could include infectious disease, or cancer. "Natural" in
>> some sense, but what if your cancer was caused by smoking? Is that
>> natural?
>
>"Natural causes" is a *legal* term, basically meaning "death for any

reason

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>other than homicide, suicide, accident, act of war, etc." It mostly

has

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to

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>do with whether others can be held responsible for a person's death.

Otherwise, you could have results like the following:

"He died of natural causes."
"Natural causes? He was shot six times!"
"It's natural to die after being shot six times."

Lead is "all natural."

So is Yersinia pestis

Clostridium perfringes anyone ?
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