What about the other 30%?

In any democracy, 70% is a tremendous success, indicating approval of well
thought out leadership and planning.

True: The formulation "they have decided" is funny.
Looks more like all were asked and 7 teams refused .

I am done with trying to look for proper information. Can anyone tell how
rankings by nation will be done from now on, with such a complete separation
of ProTour and continental (teams'😉 scoring?
And with the ProTour teams eating so much points away from continental races
in Europe?

Two separated classifications, if you ask me. PT-riders cannot earn
points in continental races and vice versa.

Kenny

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Two separated classifications, if you ask me. PT-riders cannot earn
points in continental races and vice versa.

That's how I understand it. Mutually exclusive.

It changes the focus for bigger teams entering smaller races (and vice
versa), because there are no points to be had. So instead of racing for a
top 10, maybe we'll see more desperation in going for the win/podium, which
is going to count a lot more for the the team and its exposure.

It also completely de-emphasises the concept of UCI points for gaining
selection in grand tours.

It also makes the UCI points system somewhat messy (just a tad). Not to
mention that the ProTour points system is completely biased against the
sprinters. Winning a stage in a grand tour is now almost worthless compared
to what it was previously. At least sprinters had a chance of making the UCI
top 5 under the old system.

Jeff

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:09:48 +1100, "Jeff Jones"

jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com said:

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Two separated classifications, if you ask me. PT-riders cannot earn
points in continental races and vice versa.

That's how I understand it. Mutually exclusive.

What's the chance of a Continental pro team getting in enough Pro Tour
events to have a virtual Pro Tour champion? Or does the small print
somewhere limit how many non-'resident' Continental teams can enter an
event, so that no non-Pro Tour team can rack up enough to have a real
chance?

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

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What's the chance of a Continental pro team getting in enough Pro Tour
events to have a virtual Pro Tour champion? Or does the small print
somewhere limit how many non-'resident' Continental teams can enter an
event, so that no non-Pro Tour team can rack up enough to have a real
chance?

I'd say approximately two fifths of buggerall. a) Because a Continental Pro
team won't get invited to enough events, although if it makes two of the
grand tours and wins them both then it has a chance, b) Because they won't
score any points anyway, so who's going to bother with virtual PT points :-)
c) Because all the good riders capable of winning the ProTour are on ProTour
teams.

I guess the latter is the main reason. Maybe if Astarloa can win every
ProTour event that Barloworld gets invited to...

Jeff

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:09:14 +1100, "Jeff Jones"

jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com said:

c) Because all the good riders capable of winning the ProTour are on ProTour
teams.

Well, and the need to make all the Pro Tour events means most of even
the next level are being sucked into the slightly larger Pro Tour
teams. But just wondering if the next version of Eddie Merkcx misses
out on making a Pro Tour team, whether he could catch a break and win
a virtual title. But. of course, there is always the full power and
might of the UCI to step in if that becomes a danger, I guess, and do
what is necessary to prevent the embarrassment. Largely because the
UCI never views their unilateral actions to be an embarrassment...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Jeff Jones said:

Maybe if Astarloa can win every
ProTour event that Barloworld gets invited to...

For now, he broke his left wrist at the Classic Haribo, according to
<[email hidden]> (from the admin of
http://www.ciclonews.com/portal/index.php?n=single&id=829 ).

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What's the chance of a Continental pro team getting in enough Pro

Tour

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events to have a virtual Pro Tour champion? Or does the small print
somewhere limit how many non-'resident' Continental teams can enter

an

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event, so that no non-Pro Tour team can rack up enough to have a real
chance?

If Rebellin would ride for Mr Bookmaker and he did his tricks from last
year over, there would be a virtual continental Pro-tour winner.
Possible, but the chances are very little.

On the other hand; what if VDB... :-)

Kenny

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In any democracy, 70% is a tremendous success, indicating approval

of well

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thought out leadership and planning.

That's exactly what Zapatero says.

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I am done with trying to look for proper information. Can anyone tell

how

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rankings by nation will be done from now on, with such a complete
separation of ProTour and continental (teams'😉 scoring?

UCI Pro Tour: sum of points from 5 best riders
Continental circuits: sum of points from 10 best riders
Worlds' qualification rules - mix of Pro Tour and continental rankings
http://uci.ch/imgArchive/Rules/qual%20road%20elite%202005-a.pdf

jenko