Welsh pictures wanted by BBC

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To all you photographers of Wales. The BBC needs you for their regular
gallery contributions.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3053693.stm

Fame at last for Paul!

--
sandy saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk

'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still
brings the same excitement'

Chris Street said:

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> To all you photographers of Wales. The BBC needs you for their
> regular gallery contributions.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3053693.stm

Fame at last for Paul!

I think he'd be satisfied with fortune.

Too right!

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Which the BBC certainly don't offer.

Exactly. They just want some photos for nothing.

"In contributing to BBC News Online you agree to grant us a
royalty-free, non-exclusive licence to publish and otherwise use the
material in any way that we want, and in any media."

Have you seen their "best of 2004" collection? Pretty sad on the whole,
although a few decent shots;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4130561.stm

Paul
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http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk

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@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk says...

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Chris Street said:

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>> To all you photographers of Wales. The BBC needs you for their
>> regular gallery contributions.
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3053693.stm
>
> Fame at last for Paul!

I think he'd be satisfied with fortune.

Too right!

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Which the BBC certainly don't offer.

Exactly. They just want some photos for nothing.

"In contributing to BBC News Online you agree to grant us a
royalty-free, non-exclusive licence to publish and otherwise use the
material in any way that we want, and in any media."

Have you seen their "best of 2004" collection? Pretty sad on the whole,
although a few decent shots;

Three are four are OK, most are snaps and a couple beggar belief.

I quite like the evening beach scene. And probably one of the best Adam
& Eve shots I've seen.

(Which reminds me - still haven't done the leap :-))

might be worth sending a few in, just to try and get some publicity.

--
Darren
mail to darren not ng

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I quite like the evening beach scene. And probably one of the best Adam
& Eve shots I've seen.

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(Which reminds me - still haven't done the leap :-))

Do it in the Summer and in the dry,: it is really little more than a
step. It can be slippery when wet and in winter it is probably worse.
What ever you do don't do it with a following gale or you might go
further than intended.

I had over an hours wait on the summit of Tryfan during Expedition 1 (in
the rain and mist) and during that time only one person tried it. No
problem on the first jump but up ended and nearly fell off on the
return.

--
Roger Chapman

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:24:23 GMT, Roger <[email hidden]>

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I had over an hours wait on the summit of Tryfan during Expedition 1

Hm? Could that be because you walked faster than everyone else,
Roger?

;-)

Judith

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I quite like the evening beach scene. And probably one of the best Adam
& Eve shots I've seen.

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(Which reminds me - still haven't done the leap :-))

Do it in the Summer and in the dry,: it is really little more than a
step. It can be slippery when wet and in winter it is probably worse.
What ever you do don't do it with a following gale or you might go
further than intended.

that's one of the reasons why - I've never been on the top of tryfan
when there hasn't been a howling gale. The other is cowardice!!

--
Darren
mail to darren not ng

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<[email hidden]> writes

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To all you photographers of Wales. The BBC needs you for their regular
gallery contributions.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3053693.stm

Fame at last for Paul!

There is nothing in it for Paul. O.K. I've no doubt his photos, or at
least one would get accepted but that seems to be the way of the
producer of the site. He/they don't appear to want technically excellent
pictures - just pictures with some appeal. Visit the site and see what I
mean.

Paul would be wasting his time on this one. I know - I've been there!
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

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<[email hidden]> writes

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Have you seen their "best of 2004" collection? Pretty sad on the whole,
although a few decent shots;

You are looking at it from a totally different perspective. To you and
others including me, a lot of the pictures are sad. As I've said in
another post, they appear to be looking for pictures with what they
consider "appeal"
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

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<[email hidden]> writes

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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:24:23 GMT, Roger <[email hidden]>

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I had over an hours wait on the summit of Tryfan during Expedition 1

Hm? Could that be because you walked faster than everyone else,
Roger?

;-)

Judith

No - he took the lift :-)
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

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<[email hidden]> writes

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Three are four are OK, most are snaps and a couple beggar belief.

There are a lot of picture on the site and to be fair there are quite a
lot of good shots to be seen. They seem to enjoy showing the "family"
photos, but there are obviously some serious photographers (not
snappers) who contribute to this site.

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I quite like the evening beach scene. And probably one of the best Adam
& Eve shots I've seen.

Well......! You're biased. It is a clear well lit shot and a good record
of the step. It has little to offer as a picture though.

If anyone hasn't seen this one, look at "Best of 2004 - No2 of 12 for
June 24th - 30th.

--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

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I had over an hours wait on the summit of Tryfan during Expedition 1

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Hm? Could that be because you walked faster than everyone else,
Roger?

I refused to follow Martin up a really dodgy looking section low down on
Tryfan which appeared to be a much more direct route to the summit. The
rest of the team didn't. As I then had a long detour before I reached
the line of the North Ridge (must have missed the proper route form The
Milestone) I thought they must by then be in front of me and pushed on
not even sure whether I would catch them up as I was going no faster
than the pace someone had set at the beginning when I was with the
group. I am not sure what the rest of the team did to waste over an
hour. I refuse to believe it was endless photo opportunities as the clag
was down and it should only take an hour in total to get up the North
Ridge of Tryfan from the road.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year - nothing

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W. D. Grey contained the following:

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Have you seen their "best of 2004" collection? Pretty sad on the whole,
although a few decent shots;

You are looking at it from a totally different perspective. To you and
others including me, a lot of the pictures are sad. As I've said in
another post, they appear to be looking for pictures with what they
consider "appeal"

Ah... must send 'em some of my doggy pics :-)

Oy, you sniggering in the corner, I meant pics of my dog.

--
Geoff Berrow (put thecat out to email)
It's only Usenet, no one dies.
My opinions, not the committee's, mine.
Simple RFDs http://www.ckdog.co.uk/rfdmaker/

Roger said:

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I had over an hours wait on the summit of Tryfan during Expedition 1

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Hm? Could that be because you walked faster than everyone else,
Roger?

I refused to follow Martin up a really dodgy looking section low down on
Tryfan which appeared to be a much more direct route to the summit. The
rest of the team didn't. As I then had a long detour before I reached
the line of the North Ridge (must have missed the proper route form The
Milestone) I thought they must by then be in front of me and pushed on
not even sure whether I would catch them up as I was going no faster
than the pace someone had set at the beginning...

*Somebody* set off at what seemed to be a run IIRC

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when I was with the
group. I am not sure what the rest of the team did to waste over an
hour. I refuse to believe it was endless photo opportunities as the clag
was down and it should only take an hour in total to get up the North
Ridge of Tryfan from the road.

Well I seemed to take forever on one bit and Simon confessed to
leading us on a "sporting" route. It always takes a group longer to
cover any route and we had a mega-group that day.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

W. D. Grey said:

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<[email hidden]> writes

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Have you seen their "best of 2004" collection? Pretty sad on the whole,
although a few decent shots;

You are looking at it from a totally different perspective. To you and
others including me, a lot of the pictures are sad. As I've said in
another post, they appear to be looking for pictures with what they
consider "appeal"

I like tose ducks. Could have been done better though...
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Roger said:

I refused to follow Martin up a really dodgy looking section low down
on Tryfan which appeared to be a much more direct route to the
summit. The rest of the team didn't.

It wasn't a question of it being more direct, it was a question of it
being more scrambly. I for one wanted to do a bit of scrambling rather
than simply walking to the top.

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I am not sure what the rest of
the team did to waste over an hour.

Scrambling! And it wasn't a waste, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

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I refuse to believe it was
endless photo opportunities as the clag was down and it should only
take an hour in total to get up the North Ridge of Tryfan from the
road.

An hour! It usually takes me at least 2.5 hours to get to the top!
That is of course via a "sporting" i.e. scrambling route, which is the
whole point of Tryfan IMO.

I remember one tricky section in particular where it took each of us a
little while to negotiate it, and we had to queue up and do it one at a
time.

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk

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I refused to follow Martin up a really dodgy looking section low down
on Tryfan which appeared to be a much more direct route to the
summit. The rest of the team didn't.

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It wasn't a question of it being more direct, it was a question of it
being more scrambly. I for one wanted to do a bit of scrambling rather
than simply walking to the top.

If you want a decent route follow the scratch marks. That way didn't
look at all well travelled and the trade route isn't all hands in
pockets stuff anyway.

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I am not sure what the rest of
the team did to waste over an hour.

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Scrambling! And it wasn't a waste, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Each to his own. Sitting about in the wet waiting for each member of the
party to do each restriction reminds me too much of caving so to me it
was a waste. If I had known at the time what the rest of the party had
intended to do I wouldn't have put myself in a position where I had to
wait.

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I refuse to believe it was
endless photo opportunities as the clag was down and it should only
take an hour in total to get up the North Ridge of Tryfan from the
road.

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An hour! It usually takes me at least 2.5 hours to get to the top!
That is of course via a "sporting" i.e. scrambling route, which is the
whole point of Tryfan IMO.

OK so I'm a wimp but it is still only 2000 feet of ascent in about .75
of a mile and if you stick to to the trade route easy enough in an hour.

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I remember one tricky section in particular where it took each of us a
little while to negotiate it, and we had to queue up and do it one at a
time.

I stood and watched while you all did that at the point you left the
path. There must have been many more such places to delay the group by
70 minutes.

--
Roger Chapman

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*Somebody* set off at what seemed to be a run IIRC

It wasn't me. I was well down the file and content just to follow the pace.

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when I was with the
group. I am not sure what the rest of the team did to waste over an
hour. I refuse to believe it was endless photo opportunities as the clag
was down and it should only take an hour in total to get up the North
Ridge of Tryfan from the road.

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Well I seemed to take forever on one bit and Simon confessed to
leading us on a "sporting" route. It always takes a group longer to
cover any route and we had a mega-group that day.

I prefer the rock on any sporting route to be both warm and dry and
Tryfan was neither that day. :-)

6 times I've been at the TD Gap and 5 times we have had to wait an hour
or more. The other time we didn't have to wait at all before we abseiled
into the gap, turned sharply and descended the gully with hardly a
glance at the water running down the crack opposite.

--
Roger Chapman

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There is nothing in it for Paul. O.K. I've no doubt his photos, or at
least one would get accepted but that seems to be the way of the
producer of the site. He/they don't appear to want technically excellent
pictures - just pictures with some appeal. Visit the site and see what I
mean.

Just had a viewing ..... and to me most look interesting - but not the
calibre that I have seen of Paul's.

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Paul would be wasting his time on this one. I know - I've been there!
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:51:43 GMT, Roger <[email hidden]>

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it should only take an hour in total to get up the North
Ridge of Tryfan from the road.

<gulp>

I'm going to start a new newsgroup :
uk.rec.walking.but.at.a.more.sensible.pace.and.not.like.Roger

Would anyone like to join me there?

Judith