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  1. Something most of us knew already. Sadly.

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    4WDs a risk to other road users: survey
    http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/4WDs-a-risk-to-other-road-users-survey/2006/06/27/1151174195818.html
    June 27, 2006 - 6:09PM
    They are a menace to many a car driver, cyclist or pedestrian.

    Now road users may have even more to fear from large four-wheel drive vehicles, if the results of a used car survey are anything to go by.

    Researchers from Melbourne's Monash University say all but one of the large four-wheel drive models rated in the survey topped the list of vehicles more likely than average to seriously injure other road users in a crash.

    Used cars were rated in two categories - crash worthiness and aggressivity - based on the performance of 305 models involved in more than 1.7 million crashes in Australia and New Zealand between 1987 and 2004.

    Crash worthiness is defined by the amount of protection afforded to the vehicle's driver in a crash, while aggressivity is defined by how badly the vehicle is likely to harm other road users, including cyclists and pedestrians, in a crash.

    While large four-wheel drive models generally boasted good crash worthiness, they put "other road users at disproportionately high risk" under the aggressivity criteria, the report said.

    Of the 305 vehicle models surveyed overall, 284 also were assessed for their aggressivity, with the average vehicle rating resulting in 3.9 deaths and serious injuries to other road users in every 100 crashes.

    By comparison, large four-wheel drives were responsible for 6.1 deaths and serious injuries per 100 crashes.

    Project leader Stuart Newstead said small cars were not a safe bet when it came to crash worthiness.

    "No light cars had crash worthiness better than average and of 37 light cars, more than half scored in the worst possible rating," Dr Newstead said.

    "Buyers need to think carefully about a purchase in this class, especially young drivers who have a high crash risk and old drivers who are more susceptible to injury."

    Rising fuel prices are also a factor, with some buyers opting for a smaller car believing them to be a more economical.

    "People need to be very conscious of the safety issue: you might save yourself a couple of extra dollars a week but what's your life worth?"

    Researchers said most used luxury car models surveyed generally demonstrated good results while one car model, the Subaru Forester, rated as a top performer in both criteria.

    The Used Car Safety Ratings (UCSR) survey, conducted by Monash's Accident Research Centre, and which is the largest study of vehicle crashes in the world, concludes the main factor used car buyers should consider is safety.

    "While the best protection against injury is to drive safely and encourage other road users to drive safely, the safer your car, the better off you'll be when the unexpected happens," David Healy, of the Transport Accident Commission, said.

    "According to the European Transport Safety Council, if everyone drove the safest car in its class, the road toll could be halved overnight."

  2. "People need to be very conscious of the safety issue: you might save yourself a couple of extra dollars a week but what's your life worth?"

    right... so guzzling vast amounts of fuel just because its safer for you, and others like you, (everyone else is screwed...) is alright?
    in that case, when the weather goes woopsie because of all the pollution these huge safer 'cars' have spewed forth into the air, and taking a breath fills your lungs with [censored], how worth it is your life going to be? i dont mean to bring up the usual *cyclists are heros of the environment* speil, but id like to think that people would give a stuff about what their method transport is blowing into my face and into my lungs. because they are breathing it too...

    did they perhaps neglect to think about if 4wd's were regulated for 'off road' use and people were forced into driving small cars that safety would be better (because there arent any monster trucks driving in the middle of the city)
    did they also neglect to consider that if people actually learnt how to drive properly and be aware of others on the road (like people SHOULD be) that accidents would fall and safety would also increase?

    being able to drive is not a right, its a priveledge and i think most people dont realise this. if you are going to get behind the wheel of a large metal projectile with a bull-bar hurtling down the road at 100km/h then you had better realise that you arent only responsible for your life, but for the lives that you might adversely affect if something were to happen. *that goes for all cars too...*

  3. In aus.bicycle on Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:02:53 +1000

    cfsmtb said:


    While large four-wheel drive models generally boasted good crash
    worthiness, they put "other road users at disproportionately high risk"
    under the aggressivity criteria, the report said.

    I wonder how they go when hitting each other. As is going to happen
    more and more as they increase in the vehicle fleet.

    Quoted message said:

    Project leader Stuart Newstead said small cars were not a safe bet when
    it came to crash worthiness.

    That's my Mum refuses to buy one. If she has to go on 4 wheels she
    prefers her elderly F100, but her transport of choice is her
    motorcycle. She reckons she feels so much safer on the bike because
    she has so many more options to avoid a crash.

    Zebee

  4. asterope said:


    right... so guzzling vast amounts of fuel just because its safer for you, and others like you, (everyone else is screwed...) is alright?
    in that case, when the weather goes woopsie because of all the pollution these huge safer 'cars' have spewed forth into the air, and taking a breath fills your lungs with [censored], how worth it is your life going to be? i dont mean to bring up the usual *cyclists are heros of the environment* speil, but id like to think that people would give a stuff about what their method transport is blowing into my face and into my lungs. because they are breathing it too...

    The CO2 emissions palavar is a *rather* more complicated than that. There's burning watery brown mud, (oppps meant to type *lignite*) for electricity in Victoria, then there's those bloody peat fires in Indonesia. Ditto the pollution resulting from petrochemical industries... 😠

  5. Zebee Johnstone said:

    That's my Mum refuses to buy one. If she has to go on 4 wheels she
    prefers her elderly F100, but her transport of choice is her
    motorcycle. She reckons she feels so much safer on the bike because
    she has so many more options to avoid a crash.

    Ah, yes, active safety versus passive safety. So many of the lemmings
    want the latter, whilst those who actually *think* about things prefer
    the former.

    More preaching to the choir, as well as an old (but still very relevant)
    article on the web: http://www.gladwell.com/2004/2004_01_12_a_suv.html

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    the mail bounces, try changing the bit before the "@ to usenet".

  6. Zebee Johnstone said:

    In aus.bicycle on Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:02:53 +1000

    cfsmtb said:


    While large four-wheel drive models generally boasted good crash
    worthiness, they put "other road users at disproportionately high risk"
    under the aggressivity criteria, the report said.

    I wonder how they go when hitting each other. As is going to happen
    more and more as they increase in the vehicle fleet.

    Quoted message said:

    Project leader Stuart Newstead said small cars were not a safe bet when
    it came to crash worthiness.

    That's my Mum refuses to buy one. If she has to go on 4 wheels she
    prefers her elderly F100, but her transport of choice is her
    motorcycle. She reckons she feels so much safer on the bike because
    she has so many more options to avoid a crash.

    Zebee


    hear hear about the motorcycle... ive recently started riding a 50cc scooter as my daily driver (its not up there with a motorbike, but im working on it!) and have had to think quick and react quick to get myself out of several sticky situations on my daily travelling route... usually these situations are with *SUV* drivers who suddenly forget that the red scooter they were behind (and have moved to the left lane to get alongside of) was there in the first place.

    youre on a bike, youre going as fast as the traffic and you have no shell, nothing but the clothes on your body and your helmet, you have cars on your back and this big hulking block of metal starts pushing into your lane... if you were in a car, you would honk that horn something wicked... on a bike you do whatever you can to get out of the way. then you can honk at them.
    i occasionally drive my sisters corolla, and i dont feel i have as much control over the car as i do on my bike... i actually feel safer on my teeny weeny 50cc than i do in her car with airbags and crumple-zones.

    its true about this active and passive safety thing... a good driver should always be thinking about active safety, those into being passive have no confidence in their driving.

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