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  1. I've listed my bike for sale on Craigslist.org a couple of times.
    Each time I list it I get someone from outside the US that wants the
    bike. Each time, they want to send me way more than the bike is worth
    and the balance of the money is to go to their shipper to pay for the
    shipping. The last time, I received a call from an AT&T operator and
    'spoke' to the buyer. The call was being translated like the person
    on the other end was deaf...they'd type something in and the operator
    would read it back to me. This most recent 'buyer' wanted to send me
    $3,000 for a $400 bike. I was to Western Union the balance ($2,600)
    to the shipper who'd come pick up the bike and ship to
    ????Ireland?????

    Has anyone seen this before. I suspect it's either a way to launder
    money of to get an item that can be stuffed with ???drugs??? or
    something before shipping. Anyway, I'd be interested to hear if
    anyone has had a similar experience.

  2. Terry Deshler said:

    I've listed my bike for sale on Craigslist.org a couple of times.
    Each time I list it I get someone from outside the US that wants the
    bike. Each time, they want to send me way more than the bike is worth
    and the balance of the money is to go to their shipper to pay for the
    shipping. The last time, I received a call from an AT&T operator and
    'spoke' to the buyer. The call was being translated like the person
    on the other end was deaf...they'd type something in and the operator
    would read it back to me. This most recent 'buyer' wanted to send me
    $3,000 for a $400 bike. I was to Western Union the balance ($2,600)
    to the shipper who'd come pick up the bike and ship to
    ????Ireland?????

    Has anyone seen this before. I suspect it's either a way to launder
    money of to get an item that can be stuffed with ???drugs??? or
    something before shipping. Anyway, I'd be interested to hear if
    anyone has had a similar experience.

    Have you seen this?

    http://seattle.craigslist.org/about/scams.html

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  3. Terry Deshler said:

    I've listed my bike for sale on Craigslist.org a couple of times.
    Each time I list it I get someone from outside the US that wants the
    bike. Each time, they want to send me way more than the bike is worth
    and the balance of the money is to go to their shipper to pay for the
    shipping. The last time, I received a call from an AT&T operator and
    'spoke' to the buyer. The call was being translated like the person
    on the other end was deaf...they'd type something in and the operator
    would read it back to me. This most recent 'buyer' wanted to send me
    $3,000 for a $400 bike. I was to Western Union the balance ($2,600)
    to the shipper who'd come pick up the bike and ship to
    ????Ireland?????

    Has anyone seen this before. I suspect it's either a way to launder
    money of to get an item that can be stuffed with ???drugs??? or
    something before shipping. Anyway, I'd be interested to hear if
    anyone has had a similar experience.


    *It's a scam*. They don't want your bike, just your money.

    The idea is for them to send you a"cashiers check" for more than the sales
    price. You would then deposit the check in your bank, withdraw the "excess
    funds" and Western Union them to the "shipper'. Several weeks later the
    "cashiers check" would come back to your bank as 'counterfeit' or
    'fraudulent' and your account would be debited that amount. Hence you would
    be out the money you sent plus the amount of the "cashiers check".

    The "cashiers check" they send is **counterfeit**, often a good one. ANY
    time someone offers to *pay you more than the sales price*, requires the
    *use of Western Union*......*it is a scam!*

    Think about it...would you send someone $3000 for a $400 bike and then ask
    *please send the money to me?* Not likely.

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    I've listed my bike for sale on Craigslist.org a couple of times.
    Each time I list it I get someone from outside the US that wants the
    bike. Each time, they want to send me way more than the bike is worth
    and the balance of the money is to go to their shipper to pay for the
    shipping. The last time, I received a call from an AT&T operator and
    'spoke' to the buyer. The call was being translated like the person
    on the other end was deaf...they'd type something in and the operator
    would read it back to me. This most recent 'buyer' wanted to send me
    $3,000 for a $400 bike. I was to Western Union the balance ($2,600)
    to the shipper who'd come pick up the bike and ship to
    ????Ireland?????
    Has anyone seen this before. I suspect it's either a way to launder
    money of to get an item that can be stuffed with ???drugs??? or
    something before shipping. Anyway, I'd be interested to hear if
    anyone has had a similar experience.

    If you read the warning on Craigs list, you would know what this is. This
    is a scam. As far as the opertor call goes, deaf folks who have the teletype
    machine and call someone without one can use an operator to read out the
    screen to the person they are calling. So the scammers invested in this
    machine. What you can do is tell them to go ahead and send the money and
    that you will release the bike only after the funds have cleared your bank
    in two weeks. You may even want to get your local authorities involved and
    have them at your house when the 'shipper' comes to pick up the bike and money.
    What is usually done is that they use a fake, or stolen, money order to pay
    for the bike.
    ----------------
    Alex

  5. Alex Rodriguez said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    I've listed my bike for sale on Craigslist.org a couple of times.
    Each time I list it I get someone from outside the US that wants the
    bike. Each time, they want to send me way more than the bike is
    worth and the balance of the money is to go to their shipper to pay
    for the shipping. The last time, I received a call from an AT&T
    operator and 'spoke' to the buyer. The call was being translated
    like the person on the other end was deaf...they'd type something in
    and the operator would read it back to me. This most recent 'buyer'
    wanted to send me $3,000 for a $400 bike. I was to Western Union
    the balance ($2,600) to the shipper who'd come pick up the bike and
    ship to ????Ireland?????
    Has anyone seen this before. I suspect it's either a way to launder
    money of to get an item that can be stuffed with ???drugs??? or
    something before shipping. Anyway, I'd be interested to hear if
    anyone has had a similar experience.

    If you read the warning on Craigs list, you would know what this is.
    This
    is a scam. As far as the opertor call goes, deaf folks who have the
    teletype machine and call someone without one can use an operator to
    read out the screen to the person they are calling. So the scammers
    invested in this machine. What you can do is tell them to go ahead
    and send the money and that you will release the bike only after the
    funds have cleared your bank
    in two weeks. You may even want to get your local authorities
    involved and have them at your house when the 'shipper' comes to pick
    up the bike and money. What is usually done is that they use a fake,
    or stolen, money order to pay for the bike.
    ----------------
    Alex


    Alex: The "shipper" *never* shows up, that's part of the ploy. The thing
    the scammers try to do is to get the victim to send the "excess funds" to
    them via Western Union. If this is done, the receiver of the Western Union
    money is not traceable. The scammers don't want anything *but* the victims
    money.

    So, then there is two ways to play this. One, the best, is to simply ignore
    requests like the OP has received, they go nowhere. Or secondly, which I
    personally like, is to play along with the scammers to the point where they
    will send me the check. They have to spend money to buy these counterfeit
    checks and spend some relatively serious money to have the checks FedEx
    Expressed from Nigeria (the base of most of these scams). I have collected
    $63,000.00 face value of these counterfeit "cashiers checks". Now I'm trying
    to figure out an artsy way of dispaying them, so I can impress my friends
    with my casual attitude towards money when they come over. "Oh, I'll get
    around to cashing those someday, if I ever need the money".

  6. Quoted message said:

    From: "Dave Thompson"

    Quoted message said:

    So, then there is two ways to play this. One, the best, is to simply ignore
    requests like the OP has received, they go nowhere.

    Quoted message said:

    Or secondly, which I
    personally like, is to play along with the scammers to the point where they
    will send me the check. (snip)

    Quoted message said:

    I have collected
    $63,000.00 face value of these counterfeit "cashiers checks". Now I'm trying
    to figure out an artsy way of dispaying them, (snip)

    Problems might be unlikely, but with the new Big Brother laws (supposedly
    looking for "terrorist" money), I'd be less inclined to do other than "let it
    be". Maybe inform authorities at most (I'm sure they're busy elsewhere) but
    you've left a trail of emails, and you are in possession of some fraudulent
    pieces of paper. Someone might not get the "joke", and that might include the
    scammers. FWIW. --TP

  7. Dave Thompson wrote:

    I have collected

    Quoted message said:

    $63,000.00 face value of these counterfeit "cashiers checks". Now I'm trying
    to figure out an artsy way of dispaying them, so I can impress my friends
    with my casual attitude towards money when they come over. "Oh, I'll get
    around to cashing those someday, if I ever need the money".

    Bathroom wall paper? ;-)

    jim

  8. "Dave Thompson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    | Alex Rodriguez wrote:
    | > In article <[email hidden]>,
    | > [email hidden] says...
    | >> I've listed my bike for sale on Craigslist.org a couple of times.
    | >> Each time I list it I get someone from outside the US that wants
    the
    | >> bike. Each time, they want to send me way more than the bike is
    | >> worth and the balance of the money is to go to their shipper to pay
    | >> for the shipping. The last time, I received a call from an AT&T
    | >> operator and 'spoke' to the buyer. The call was being translated
    | >> like the person on the other end was deaf...they'd type something
    in
    | >> and the operator would read it back to me. This most recent
    'buyer'
    | >> wanted to send me $3,000 for a $400 bike. I was to Western Union
    | >> the balance ($2,600) to the shipper who'd come pick up the bike and
    | >> ship to ????Ireland?????
    | >> Has anyone seen this before. I suspect it's either a way to
    launder
    | >> money of to get an item that can be stuffed with ???drugs??? or
    | >> something before shipping. Anyway, I'd be interested to hear if
    | >> anyone has had a similar experience.
    | >
    | > If you read the warning on Craigs list, you would know what this is.
    | > This
    | > is a scam. As far as the opertor call goes, deaf folks who have the
    | > teletype machine and call someone without one can use an operator to
    | > read out the screen to the person they are calling. So the scammers
    | > invested in this machine. What you can do is tell them to go ahead
    | > and send the money and that you will release the bike only after the
    | > funds have cleared your bank
    | > in two weeks. You may even want to get your local authorities
    | > involved and have them at your house when the 'shipper' comes to
    pick
    | > up the bike and money. What is usually done is that they use a
    fake,
    | > or stolen, money order to pay for the bike.
    | > ----------------
    | > Alex
    | Alex: The "shipper" *never* shows up, that's part of the ploy. The
    thing
    | the scammers try to do is to get the victim to send the "excess funds"
    to
    | them via Western Union. If this is done, the receiver of the Western
    Union
    | money is not traceable. The scammers don't want anything *but* the
    victims
    | money.
    |
    | So, then there is two ways to play this. One, the best, is to simply
    ignore
    | requests like the OP has received, they go nowhere. Or secondly, which
    I
    | personally like, is to play along with the scammers to the point where
    they
    | will send me the check. They have to spend money to buy these
    counterfeit
    | checks and spend some relatively serious money to have the checks
    FedEx
    | Expressed from Nigeria (the base of most of these scams). I have
    collected
    | $63,000.00 face value of these counterfeit "cashiers checks". Now I'm
    trying
    | to figure out an artsy way of dispaying them, so I can impress my
    friends
    | with my casual attitude towards money when they come over. "Oh, I'll
    get
    | around to cashing those someday, if I ever need the money".

    I say play along.t don't cash the checks, and big brother won't care.

    Also, someone who has posted here has a web page with pictures of all
    these fancy checks, I wish I stil had the url.

  9. Yep and I just got burned by this guy so DONT send the money, he's not legit!
    Email me and Ill go in to detail but beware of this scheme, it's very clever!!

    "Dave Thompson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Terry Deshler said:

    I've listed my bike for sale on Craigslist.org a couple of times.
    Each time I list it I get someone from outside the US that wants the
    bike. Each time, they want to send me way more than the bike is worth
    and the balance of the money is to go to their shipper to pay for the
    shipping. The last time, I received a call from an AT&T operator and
    'spoke' to the buyer. The call was being translated like the person
    on the other end was deaf...they'd type something in and the operator
    would read it back to me. This most recent 'buyer' wanted to send me
    $3,000 for a $400 bike. I was to Western Union the balance ($2,600)
    to the shipper who'd come pick up the bike and ship to
    ????Ireland?????

    Has anyone seen this before. I suspect it's either a way to launder
    money of to get an item that can be stuffed with ???drugs??? or
    something before shipping. Anyway, I'd be interested to hear if
    anyone has had a similar experience.


    *It's a scam*. They don't want your bike, just your money.

    The idea is for them to send you a"cashiers check" for more than the sales
    price. You would then deposit the check in your bank, withdraw the "excess
    funds" and Western Union them to the "shipper'. Several weeks later the
    "cashiers check" would come back to your bank as 'counterfeit' or
    'fraudulent' and your account would be debited that amount. Hence you would
    be out the money you sent plus the amount of the "cashiers check".

    The "cashiers check" they send is **counterfeit**, often a good one. ANY
    time someone offers to *pay you more than the sales price*, requires the
    *use of Western Union*......*it is a scam!*

    Think about it...would you send someone $3000 for a $400 bike and then ask
    *please send the money to me?* Not likely.

  10. John Rees said:

    "Dave Thompson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Alex Rodriguez said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...
    > I've listed my bike for sale on Craigslist.org a couple of times.
    > Each time I list it I get someone from outside the US that wants
    > the bike. Each time, they want to send me way more than the bike
    > is worth and the balance of the money is to go to their shipper to
    > pay for the shipping. The last time, I received a call from an
    > AT&T operator and 'spoke' to the buyer. The call was being
    > translated like the person on the other end was deaf...they'd type
    > something in and the operator would read it back to me. This most
    > recent 'buyer' wanted to send me $3,000 for a $400 bike. I was to
    > Western Union the balance ($2,600) to the shipper who'd come pick
    > up the bike and ship to ????Ireland?????
    > Has anyone seen this before. I suspect it's either a way to
    > launder money of to get an item that can be stuffed with
    > ???drugs??? or something before shipping. Anyway, I'd be
    > interested to hear if anyone has had a similar experience.

    If you read the warning on Craigs list, you would know what this is.
    This
    is a scam. As far as the opertor call goes, deaf folks who have the
    teletype machine and call someone without one can use an operator to
    read out the screen to the person they are calling. So the scammers
    invested in this machine. What you can do is tell them to go ahead
    and send the money and that you will release the bike only after the
    funds have cleared your bank
    in two weeks. You may even want to get your local authorities
    involved and have them at your house when the 'shipper' comes to
    pick up the bike and money. What is usually done is that they use
    a fake, or stolen, money order to pay for the bike.
    ----------------
    Alex


    Alex: The "shipper" *never* shows up, that's part of the ploy. The
    thing the scammers try to do is to get the victim to send the
    "excess funds" to them via Western Union. If this is done, the
    receiver of the Western Union money is not traceable. The scammers
    don't want anything *but* the victims money.

    So, then there is two ways to play this. One, the best, is to simply
    ignore requests like the OP has received, they go nowhere. Or
    secondly, which I personally like, is to play along with the
    scammers to the point where they will send me the check. They have
    to spend money to buy these counterfeit checks and spend some
    relatively serious money to have the checks FedEx Expressed from
    Nigeria (the base of most of these scams). I have collected
    $63,000.00 face value of these counterfeit "cashiers checks". Now
    I'm trying to figure out an artsy way of dispaying them, so I can
    impress my friends with my casual attitude towards money when they
    come over. "Oh, I'll get around to cashing those someday, if I ever
    need the money".

    I say play along.t don't cash the checks, and big brother won't care.

    Also, someone who has posted here has a web page with pictures of all
    these fancy checks, I wish I stil had the url.

    Here is the URL to the thread that I participated in, where I posted a pic
    of some of the checks I'd received.
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?t=9385 This was an early pic
    with only about $47,000.00 in bad paper.
    Note how good the checks look, *except* for the one in the upper right
    corner. It has *VOID* all over it. Apparently they tried to copy it with a
    copier. No one said that bad guys are necessarily bright.

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Yep and I just got burned by this guy so DONT send the money, he's not legit!
    Email me and Ill go in to detail but beware of this scheme, it's very clever!!

    Post details here.
    -------------
    Alex

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