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  1. I went out and bought myself a carbon handlebar. I mean, you do, don't you?
    After all, the handlebars were about the last remaining bit of metal on my
    race bike. And today I took the aluminium bars off, to put the carbon ones
    on. I mean, my aluminium bars aren't even a good brand, they're BBB. They
    must be heavier. Mustn't they?

    No. Aluminium bars, 260 grammes. Carbon fibre, 376 grammes. The aluminium
    bars are going back on.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    Ring of great evil
    Small one casts it into flame
    Bringing rise of Men ;; gonzoron

  2. Simon Brooke said:

    I went out and bought myself a carbon handlebar. I mean, you do, don't you?
    After all, the handlebars were about the last remaining bit of metal on my
    race bike. And today I took the aluminium bars off, to put the carbon ones
    on. I mean, my aluminium bars aren't even a good brand, they're BBB. They
    must be heavier. Mustn't they?

    Quoted message said:

    No. Aluminium bars, 260 grammes. Carbon fibre, 376 grammes. The aluminium
    bars are going back on.

    sounds like a carbon wrapped aluminum bar. btw why would you even
    consider a carbon bar?

    --
    Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>

    Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.

  3. Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:


    sounds like a carbon wrapped aluminum bar. btw why would you even
    consider a carbon bar?

    <rolls_eyes>
    Because it's carbon.
    </rolls_eyes>

    That's like asking people why they need titanium, for goodness' sake! ;-)

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  4. Peter Clinch said:
    Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:


    sounds like a carbon wrapped aluminum bar. btw why would you even
    consider a carbon bar?

    Quoted message said:

    <rolls_eyes>
    Because it's carbon.
    </rolls_eyes>

    asuming a carbon component is better and lighter without checking
    specs?

    Quoted message said:

    That's like asking people why they need titanium, for goodness' sake! ;-)

    durability, comfort and of course craftmanship :-)

    --
    Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>

    Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.

  5. Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

    asuming a carbon component is better and lighter without checking
    specs?

    It's _carbon_ and therefore better. (I am not being /entirely/ serious
    here, btw).

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  6. Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    I went out and bought myself a carbon handlebar. I mean, you do, don't you?
    After all, the handlebars were about the last remaining bit of metal on my
    race bike. And today I took the aluminium bars off, to put the carbon ones
    on. I mean, my aluminium bars aren't even a good brand, they're BBB. They
    must be heavier. Mustn't they?

    Quoted message said:

    No. Aluminium bars, 260 grammes. Carbon fibre, 376 grammes. The aluminium
    bars are going back on.

    sounds like a carbon wrapped aluminum bar. btw why would you even
    consider a carbon bar?

    That seems like a lot:
    http://weightweenies.starbike.com/listings/components.php?type=roadhandlebars&sortby=real

    or the following, which also has good recommendations on cracks:
    http://www.calfeedesign.com/barstem.htm

    The only reason I can see for carbon is if you want an anatomic cross-section. I'll stick with metal.

    Dan

  7. Simon Brooke said:

    I went out and bought myself a carbon handlebar. I mean, you do, don't you?
    After all, the handlebars were about the last remaining bit of metal on my
    race bike. And today I took the aluminium bars off, to put the carbon ones
    on. I mean, my aluminium bars aren't even a good brand, they're BBB. They
    must be heavier. Mustn't they?

    No. Aluminium bars, 260 grammes. Carbon fibre, 376 grammes. The aluminium
    bars are going back on.

    I was recently in an auto parts store that carried replacement clutch,
    brake and accelerator pedals for your car: "Made of 100% Carbon Fiber"
    (which had to have been untrue, I think). So now my carbon fiber
    handlebars seem only just a little bit stupid, and I can keep them.

  8. Peter Clinch said:


    It's _carbon_ and therefore better. (I am not being /entirely/
    serious here, btw).

    I think that if "carbon" was known as carbon reinforced PLASTIC, and didn't
    have that lovely black weave, no-one would want it. (you'll note that no-one
    ever asks "can I get that carbon (X) in blue"😉

    I have a friend who is a "carbon" addict and he gets quite upset when
    anyone mentions the word plastic. He'll be heartbroken when I tell him how
    much heavier Simons new handlebars were than his old Aluminium ones.

    Tom
    --
    Return address is dead. Real address is at
    http://www.happy-penguin.info/address.jpg

  9. in message <[email hidden]>, Morten Reippuert Knudsen

    (') said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    I went out and bought myself a carbon handlebar. I mean, you do, don't
    you? After all, the handlebars were about the last remaining bit of
    metal on my race bike. And today I took the aluminium bars off, to put
    the carbon ones on. I mean, my aluminium bars aren't even a good brand,
    they're BBB. They must be heavier. Mustn't they?

    Quoted message said:

    No. Aluminium bars, 260 grammes. Carbon fibre, 376 grammes. The
    aluminium bars are going back on.

    sounds like a carbon wrapped aluminum bar. btw why would you even
    consider a carbon bar?

    Pretty bright thing. Simon see pretty bright thing. Simon /want/ pretty
    bright thing...

    Adult? Moi? Mais non, m'sieu.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; all in all you're just another click in the call
    ;; -- Minke Bouyed

  10. Peter Clinch said:
    Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

    sounds like a carbon wrapped aluminum bar. btw why would you even
    consider a carbon bar?

    <rolls_eyes>
    Because it's carbon.
    </rolls_eyes>

    That's like asking people why they need titanium, for goodness' sake! ;-)

    Titanium would be a better material for bars, IMO. Worn aluminum bars
    break without warning.

  11. "Donald Munro" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    I went out and bought myself a carbon handlebar. I mean, you do, don't
    you?
    After all, the handlebars were about the last remaining bit of metal on
    my
    race bike. And today I took the aluminium bars off, to put the carbon
    ones
    on. I mean, my aluminium bars aren't even a good brand, they're BBB. They
    must be heavier. Mustn't they?

    No. Aluminium bars, 260 grammes. Carbon fibre, 376 grammes. The aluminium
    bars are going back on.

    The Deda aluminium handlebars are supposed to be around 200 grams. The
    Easton carbon ones are a bit lighter though, but I don't really trust
    carbon when it comes to attaching TT bars where the carbon might get
    compressed. Anyway these batmobile shaped carbon bars are impractical when
    it comes to attaching thing like TT bars or computer mounts.

    I went back to aluminium bars from carbon, I had 3t carbon bars that were
    very nice but only lasted about 4 months before they broke and 3t wouldn't
    replace them. Now I have ritchey wcs bars and the only thing I see
    different is the price $75 or $250. I don't trust carbon bars after the
    first ones broke, the 20 grams isn't worth it to me.

  12. Simon Brooke said:

    I went out and bought myself a carbon handlebar. I mean, you do, don't you?
    After all, the handlebars were about the last remaining bit of metal on my
    race bike. And today I took the aluminium bars off, to put the carbon ones
    on. I mean, my aluminium bars aren't even a good brand, they're BBB. They
    must be heavier. Mustn't they?

    No. Aluminium bars, 260 grammes. Carbon fibre, 376 grammes. The aluminium
    bars are going back on.

    The Deda aluminium handlebars are supposed to be around 200 grams. The
    Easton carbon ones are a bit lighter though, but I don't really trust
    carbon when it comes to attaching TT bars where the carbon might get
    compressed. Anyway these batmobile shaped carbon bars are impractical when
    it comes to attaching thing like TT bars or computer mounts.

  13. Simon Brooke said:

    Pretty bright thing. Simon see pretty bright thing. Simon /want/ pretty
    bright thing...

    Bananas are cheaper.

  14. On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:40:58 +0200, Morten Reippuert

    Knudsen said:
    Simon Brooke said:

    I went out and bought myself a carbon handlebar. I mean, you do, don't you?
    After all, the handlebars were about the last remaining bit of metal on my
    race bike. And today I took the aluminium bars off, to put the carbon ones
    on. I mean, my aluminium bars aren't even a good brand, they're BBB. They
    must be heavier. Mustn't they?

    Quoted message said:

    No. Aluminium bars, 260 grammes. Carbon fibre, 376 grammes. The aluminium
    bars are going back on.

    sounds like a carbon wrapped aluminum bar. btw why would you even
    consider a carbon bar?

    I love carbon bling.

    I have carbon handlebars, carbon seatpost and *3* carbon bottle
    holders on my tourer.

    I've even considered getting one of these fitted, but I wasn't sure
    the carbon seat post has the right fitting.
    http://tinyurl.com/2qv79y from
    www.coolest-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/carbon-fibre-toilet.jpg

  15. Fred Fredburger said:

    The batmobile shape is important. It lets everyone know that, underneath
    that handlebar tape, you've got carbon fiber.

    That sounds like someone is missing the boat on handlebar tape. Maybe
    a tape that looks like naked carbon fiber is in order. You could even
    make an aluminum bar look like carbon fiber. Should be able to get $
    50 a roll and everyone comes out ahead.

    Wrapping the bar so the fibers line up could be a real art, though.

    Curtis L. Russell
    Odenton, MD (USA)
    Just someone on two wheels...

  16. Curtis L. Russell said:

    That sounds like someone is missing the boat on handlebar tape. Maybe
    a tape that looks like naked carbon fiber is in order. You could even
    make an aluminum bar look like carbon fiber. Should be able to get $
    50 a roll and everyone comes out ahead.

    Sorry, that ones already taken:
    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/15694-200_SETCB6-3-Parts-61-Grips/Bar-Tape/Sette-Carbon-Bar-Tape.htm

    Now you'll have to go back to suing Ryan over LIVEDRUNK rights.

  17. Kurgan Gringioni said:
    Peter Clinch said:
    Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

    sounds like a carbon wrapped aluminum bar. btw why would you even
    consider a carbon bar?

    <rolls_eyes>
    Because it's carbon.
    </rolls_eyes>

    That's like asking people why they need titanium, for goodness' sake! ;-)

    Titanium would be a better material for bars, IMO. Worn aluminum bars
    break without warning.

    Titanium? Got 🙂

    --
    Mike
    Van Tuyl titanium Dura Ace 10
    Fausto Coppi aluminium Ultegra 10
    Raleigh Record Sprint mongrel


  18. Quoted message said:

    That sounds like someone is missing the boat on handlebar tape. Maybe
    a tape that looks like naked carbon fiber is in order. You could even
    make an aluminum bar look like carbon fiber. Should be able to get $
    50 a roll and everyone comes out ahead.

    I've got some faux carbon handlebar tape on my bike. It looks great. I
    also have a faux carbon water bottle made by Zefal. It's even got the
    word carbon printed on it just in case someone doesn't recognize it
    for what it is.

    http://tinyurl.com/2o84cq

    These items are great for accenting the real carbon bits on your bike.

    Bret

  19. Donald Munro said:

    Sorry, that ones already taken:
    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/15694-200_SETCB6-3-Parts-61-Grips/Bar-Tape/Sette-Carbon-Bar-Tape.htm

    Now you'll have to go back to suing Ryan over LIVEDRUNK rights.

    I'm thinking the latter is one of those things where only the lawyers
    make any money and the rest of us are left to drown our sorrows with
    cheap booze.

    Best just take the money we have now and buy better booze.

    Curtis L. Russell
    Odenton, MD (USA)
    Just someone on two wheels...

  20. Curtis L. Russell said:
    Donald Munro said:

    Sorry, that ones already taken:
    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/15694-200_SETCB6-3-Parts-61-Grips/Bar-Tape/Sette-Carbon-Bar-Tape.htm

    Now you'll have to go back to suing Ryan over LIVEDRUNK rights.

    I'm thinking the latter is one of those things where only the lawyers
    make any money and the rest of us are left to drown our sorrows with
    cheap booze.

    Best just take the money we have now and buy better booze.

    Not very sporting of you. I mean, lawyers gotta drink too!

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