Weight loss and ketones

Jimmy said:

"The first way to know that you are actually about to start burning fat
deposits in your body is hunger.

???

Why are fat people so mental?

If you don't eat amy food you will eventually starve to death. The
logic of that statement should be the only thing anyone needs to manage
their own weight.

The problem with fat people is that they actually think that losing fat
is a destination that that they buy and obtain instantly, with money,
just like they can buy a Big Mac at McDonald's.

Sorry, but that is not how life works. 🙂

On 2 Jul 2005 21:00:46 -0700, Jimmy wrote in
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Hi all,

I found this statement on an article about weight loss and I wonder
if anyone could comment on its reliability:

"The first way to know that you are actually about to start burning fat
deposits in your body is hunger.
To feel a little hungry when you first begin a weight loss diet is
good! It
means that your body can't find enough sugars or carbs to keep going.
Hunger is
the signal that your body is about to reach into your "fat
warehouse" to find
nourishment for metabolism.

Every diet or supplement that results in fat loss is ketogenic .
Any time your body burns fat, chemicals called ketones are produced.
Ketones are byproducts of burning fat.
If you are burning significant amounts of fat, these ketones will
be measurable in your urine.
Ketone test strips are an invaluable tool for all serious dieters.
They give you immediate feedback on just how much fat you are
metabolizing
(burning) at any time.

Overweight people just need to eat less, right? Wrong! In fact, studies
show that many overweight people eat no more than thin people.
The problems really start when you try to lose weight by cutting back
on
calories. You skip breakfast. Eat a small salad for lunch and a diet
microwave
dish for dinner.
And here is where testing for ketones becomes even more important.
Because if you are losing weight, but you are not burning fat- you are
losing
muscle tissue."

If all weight-loss diets are ketogenic, why there are specific diets
that are are called ketogenic?
Can ketones strips be really useful to check weight loss?
Is a lack of ketones in the urines while losing weight really a sign
that the body is burning muscles instead of fat?

Thanks

J. David

Did yoy try and search Pubmed for those topics?

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/

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Quoted message said:

Hi all,

I found this statement on an article about weight loss and I wonder
if anyone could comment on its reliability:

"The first way to know that you are actually about to start burning fat
deposits in your body is hunger.
To feel a little hungry when you first begin a weight loss diet is
good! It
means that your body can't find enough sugars or carbs to keep going.
Hunger is
the signal that your body is about to reach into your "fat
warehouse" to find
nourishment for metabolism.

Every diet or supplement that results in fat loss is ketogenic .\\

Not true. It is nomal to burn fat without generating a large number of
ketones. People do it literally all the time.

Quoted message said:

Any time your body burns fat, chemicals called ketones are produced.
Ketones are byproducts of burning fat.
If you are burning significant amounts of fat, these ketones will
be measurable in your urine.

I am pretty sure that for ketones to appear, your body has to be unable to
utilize glucose. In the ketogenic diet used to treat epilespy, very little
sugar is used. Likewise, in diabetics who are ketogenic, they are unable to
utilize much sugar because of their condition.

That means people who are able to utilize sugar normally don't become
ketogenic when they burn fats.

Jeff

Quoted message said:

Ketone test strips are an invaluable tool for all serious dieters.
They give you immediate feedback on just how much fat you are
metabolizing
(burning) at any time.

Overweight people just need to eat less, right? Wrong! In fact, studies
show that many overweight people eat no more than thin people.
The problems really start when you try to lose weight by cutting back
on
calories. You skip breakfast. Eat a small salad for lunch and a diet
microwave
dish for dinner.
And here is where testing for ketones becomes even more important.
Because if you are losing weight, but you are not burning fat- you are
losing
muscle tissue."

If all weight-loss diets are ketogenic, why there are specific diets
that are are called ketogenic?
Can ketones strips be really useful to check weight loss?
Is a lack of ketones in the urines while losing weight really a sign
that the body is burning muscles instead of fat?

Thanks

J. David

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Jimmy said:

Hi all,

I found this statement on an article about weight loss and I wonder
if anyone could comment on its reliability:

"The first way to know that you are actually about to start burning fat
deposits in your body is hunger.
To feel a little hungry when you first begin a weight loss diet is
good! It
means that your body can't find enough sugars or carbs to keep going.
Hunger is
the signal that your body is about to reach into your "fat
warehouse" to find
nourishment for metabolism.

This hasn't been my experience. I burn fat and lose weight without
hunger, even with very low calorie ketogenic dieting.

Further, many folks with morbid obesity find the lack of hunger on
ketogenic diets is what allows them to succeed where they've failed on
other diets before.

That's not to say that going hungry won't cause weight loss, too, but
the feeling of hunger is not necessary.

Quoted message said:

Every diet or supplement that results in fat loss is ketogenic .
Any time your body burns fat, chemicals called ketones are produced.
Ketones are byproducts of burning fat.
If you are burning significant amounts of fat, these ketones will
be measurable in your urine.

Not true in many cases. If you're not overeating fat and/or calories,
you may burn enough ketones for fuel that they don't show up in your urine.

Quoted message said:

Ketone test strips are an invaluable tool for all serious dieters.

Completely false.

Quoted message said:

They give you immediate feedback on just how much fat you are
metabolizing
(burning) at any time.

No, they don't distinguish between fat you've eaten and body stores
you're burning.

Quoted message said:

Overweight people just need to eat less, right? Wrong! In fact, studies
show that many overweight people eat no more than thin people.
The problems really start when you try to lose weight by cutting back
on
calories. You skip breakfast. Eat a small salad for lunch and a diet
microwave
dish for dinner.
And here is where testing for ketones becomes even more important.
Because if you are losing weight, but you are not burning fat- you are
losing
muscle tissue."

Testing for ketones tells you nothing about how your diet is working.
Weight loss, feeling good and body recomposition tells you if your diet
is working. Use a scale and a tape measure to measure *real* results.

Quoted message said:

If all weight-loss diets are ketogenic, why there are specific diets
that are are called ketogenic?

Because ketogenic diets sustain the fat burning requirement. Eat enough
carbs, and your body will burn glucose instead of fat stores.

Quoted message said:

Can ketones strips be really useful to check weight loss?

No, you can gain weight while registering positive on ketone strips if
you eat too much.

Quoted message said:

Is a lack of ketones in the urines while losing weight really a sign
that the body is burning muscles instead of fat?

NO.

Susan

On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:51:58 -0400, Susan wrote in
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Jimmy wrote:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If all weight-loss diets are ketogenic, why there are specific diets
that are are called ketogenic?

Because ketogenic diets sustain the fat burning requirement. Eat enough
carbs, and your body will burn glucose instead of fat stores.

[...]

What if you eat "enough fat" or "enough protein" instead of "enough carbs".

--
Enrico C

Jeff ha scritto:

Quoted message said:

That means people who are able to utilize sugar normally don't become
ketogenic when they burn fats.

Athletes have high ketones level in their blood when they finish their
training even though they don't have that high level during the day.
This means healthy persons produce ketones when they burn fat, but these
go away after a while.

P.S. Sorry for my English

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Enrico C said:

On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:51:58 -0400, Susan wrote in
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Jimmy wrote:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If all weight-loss diets are ketogenic, why there are specific diets
that are are called ketogenic?

Because ketogenic diets sustain the fat burning requirement. Eat enough
carbs, and your body will burn glucose instead of fat stores.

[...]

What if you eat "enough fat" or "enough protein" instead of "enough carbs".

Protein is converted to glucose at a rate of about 58%. In the absence
of more readily available glucose, the body can create fuel from fat.

I believe I said earlier that eating too much will lead to weight gain
or failure to lose even if one is registering ketones.

Happened to me years ago; I gained on Atkins' induction level. It
caused my T3 to drop below normal.

Susan

Mr-Natural-Health said:

Jimmy said:

"The first way to know that you are actually about to start burning fat
deposits in your body is hunger.

???

Why are fat people so mental?

Why are fat-headed jerks that call themselves "The Man" so mental.

Quoted message said:

If you don't eat amy food you will eventually starve to death. The
logic of that statement should be the only thing anyone needs to manage
their own weight.

The problem with fat people is that they actually think that losing fat
is a destination that that they buy and obtain instantly, with money,
just like they can buy a Big Mac at McDonald's.

Sorry, but that is not how life works. 🙂

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

Fortunately evolution gave you such a small pecker that you cannot
procreate, not that any woman would actually want you sticking that
pitiful little thing in them. We can all breath a sigh of relief to
know that your kind will end when you do. Isn't evolution wonderful?
🙂

Just thought you would want to know.

RBR

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Enrico C said:

Ok, but what about the (supposed? real? I don't know) "metabolic benefit"?

Longer studies have found that the weight loss evens out at about 6 mos
to one year between LC and LF.

Susan