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Weight diff. Ksyrium and D-A + Open Pro/CXP wheels

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  1. Hi,

    I'm considering to take 2 wheelsets with me on vacation.

    I am considering to take a pair of Ksyrium Elites with me and/or a wheelset
    of D-A 9S hubs with either Open Pro or CXP 33 rims.

    My first priority is cycling without visiting any repairshops if possible,
    but because I'll do a lot of climbing, I want a relatively leightweight
    wheelset that doesn't have to be trued all the time.

    I have a pair of D-A 9S hubs lying around here. Would an Open Pro wheelset
    be a good idea? Any ideas about this? What is the difference in weight
    between a 36 spoke D-A open Pro wheelset and a pair of ksyrium Elites?

    Thanks! Derk

  2. Derk-<< What is the difference in weight
    between a 36 spoke D-A open Pro wheelset and a pair of ksyrium Elites?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    <BR><BR>

    MUCH less than a full water bottle..Not really important...take the ones that
    are easiest to repair in case ya fall down or something-NOT the Elites...

    Peter Chisholm
    Vecchio's Bicicletteria
    1833 Pearl St.
    Boulder, CO, 80302
    (303)440-3535
    http://www.vecchios.com
    "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

  3. Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

    take the ones that are easiest to repair in case ya fall down


    That would be the D-A hubs.....

    Quoted message said:

    NOT the Elites...


    Just out of curiosity: did you witness many problems with them?

    And one more important one: I have a D-A hubset here. Would you prefer Open
    Pro (lighter) or CXP 33 (bombproof rims) to build a wheelset with?

    I guess, since weight is not that important, you would also go for 36 spokes
    in stead of 32 since road conditions are less good in France then e.g. in
    Holland?

    Greets, Derk

  4. On Fri, 07 May 2004 11:13:59 +0200, Derk <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    My first priority is cycling without visiting any repairshops if possible,
    but because I'll do a lot of climbing, I want a relatively leightweight
    wheelset that doesn't have to be trued all the time.

    I have a pair of D-A 9S hubs lying around here. Would an Open Pro wheelset
    be a good idea? Any ideas about this? What is the difference in weight
    between a 36 spoke D-A open Pro wheelset and a pair of ksyrium Elites?

    Leave the Ksyrium's home. They are not readilly repaired on the road.
    A set of Open Pro rims with 36 holes, DA hubs, and 15/16 swaged spokes
    will work fine. The build is everything. If built properly, you
    won't be truing the wheels hardly ever. Should you have a mishap,
    replacing a spoke or just riding with one spoke less works fine. On a
    5 mi climb at 6% I'd doubt that the weight difference to the Ksyriums
    would produce 1 minute of difference for normal riders. Ultegra 6500
    hubs will build just as good a wheel. You will have difficulty
    finding Ultegra 6500 hubs in 36 holes.

    The CXP33s may be even stronger but I don't like them. I much prefer
    the Velocity Aerohead OC ahead of the CXP33 and Open Pro.

  5. Paul Kopit said:

    Ultegra 6500 hubs will build just as good a wheel. You will have
    difficulty finding Ultegra 6500 hubs in 36 holes.


    I already have a D-A hubset.....found it on sale, since it's the 9S version.

    Quoted message said:

    The CXP33s may be even stronger but I don't like them. I much prefer
    the Velocity Aerohead OC ahead of the CXP33 and Open Pro.


    We can't get that here: it's Mavic....

    Thanks, Derk

  6. Derk said:

    Hi,
    I'm considering to take 2 wheelsets with me on vacation.
    I am considering to take a pair of Ksyrium Elites with me and/or a
    wheelset of D-A 9S hubs with either Open Pro or CXP 33 rims.
    My first priority is cycling without visiting any repairshops if
    possible, but because I'll do a lot of climbing, I want a relatively
    leightweight wheelset that doesn't have to be trued all the time.
    I have a pair of D-A 9S hubs lying around here. Would an Open Pro
    wheelset be a good idea? Any ideas about this? What is the difference
    in weight between a 36 spoke D-A open Pro wheelset and a pair of
    ksyrium Elites?
    Thanks! Derk

    Elite pair weighs 1,781 grams and a pair of 36 spoke DB 14/15 DURA ACE 9
    speed, OpenPro, brass nipples weigh 1,964 grams.

    --

  7. daveornee said:

    Elite pair weighs 1,781 grams and a pair of 36 spoke DB 14/15 DURA ACE 9
    speed, OpenPro, brass nipples weigh 1,964 grams.


    200 grams is hardly worth taking the risk of not being able to use my bike
    during my vacation, considering the difficulty one can expect if/when the
    Ksyriums are damaged....THANKS!

    Derk

  8. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The CXP33s may be even stronger but I don't like them. I much


    prefer

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the Velocity Aerohead OC ahead of the CXP33 and Open Pro.


    We can't get that here: it's Mavic....

    Mammoet (http://www.mammoet.nl) in The Hague sells Velocity, maybe
    others aswell. They only list Deep V's in their webshop but they don't
    keep that up to date much. I've been there in the past and they had
    other types (Aeroheads) in stock also. Weightwise there's not much
    between Aerohead and Open Pro i think, the Open Pro's are a bit
    heavier but the Aeroheads need nipple washers so i guess that evens
    out the difference.

    "Derk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Paul Kopit said:

    Ultegra 6500 hubs will build just as good a wheel. You will have
    difficulty finding Ultegra 6500 hubs in 36 holes.


    I already have a D-A hubset.....found it on sale, since it's the 9S


    version.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    The CXP33s may be even stronger but I don't like them. I much


    prefer

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the Velocity Aerohead OC ahead of the CXP33 and Open Pro.


    We can't get that here: it's Mavic....

    Thanks, Derk

  9. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Elite pair weighs 1,781 grams and a pair of 36 spoke DB 14/15 DURA


    ACE 9

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    speed, OpenPro, brass nipples weigh 1,964 grams.


    200 grams is hardly worth taking the risk of not being able to use


    my bike

    Quoted message said:

    during my vacation, considering the difficulty one can expect


    if/when the

    Quoted message said:

    Ksyriums are damaged....THANKS!

    Plus, Mavic listed weights are generally without skewers.

    "Derk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    daveornee said:

    Elite pair weighs 1,781 grams and a pair of 36 spoke DB 14/15 DURA


    ACE 9

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    speed, OpenPro, brass nipples weigh 1,964 grams.


    200 grams is hardly worth taking the risk of not being able to use


    my bike

    Quoted message said:

    during my vacation, considering the difficulty one can expect


    if/when the

    Quoted message said:

    Ksyriums are damaged....THANKS!

    Derk

  10. Ronald said:

    Plus, Mavic listed weights are generally without skewers.


    So you think weight diff. is even less?

    Greets, Derk

  11. Derk said:

    I have a pair of D-A 9S hubs lying around here. Would an Open Pro wheelset
    be a good idea? Any ideas about this? What is the difference in weight
    between a 36 spoke D-A open Pro wheelset and a pair of ksyrium Elites?

    It depends on the kind of spokes you choose to use, but the Open Pro
    wheelset will almost certainly be lighter than a pair of Ksyrium Elites.
    Ksyrium Elites are about 1800 grams without quick-releases. The Open
    Pro wheelset would be less than 1600 grams with light spokes.
    Especially for the front wheel, there's really no reason not to use even
    the lightest spokes like DT Revolution and Sapim Laser.

    -as

  12. Derk <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi,

    I'm considering to take 2 wheelsets with me on vacation.

    I am considering to take a pair of Ksyrium Elites with me and/or a wheelset
    of D-A 9S hubs with either Open Pro or CXP 33 rims.

    My first priority is cycling without visiting any repairshops if possible,
    but because I'll do a lot of climbing, I want a relatively leightweight
    wheelset that doesn't have to be trued all the time.

    I have a pair of D-A 9S hubs lying around here. Would an Open Pro wheelset
    be a good idea? Any ideas about this? What is the difference in weight
    between a 36 spoke D-A open Pro wheelset and a pair of ksyrium Elites?

    Thanks! Derk

    Hi, have you considered using Velocity rims? Take a look at the
    Aweroheads, Fusions, or Deep V. Here is the link:
    http://www.velocityusa.com/
    I just ordered a set of wheels, using DA 9-speed hubs and Velocity
    Aerohead rims. I choose the Aeroheads, because they were quite light
    [400, 405g] and have a good reputation. I weigh around 156lbs, for a
    heavier rider, the Deep V is supposed to be very strong. This info is
    based on research, but no personal experience, so it is of limited
    value. Could be a good starting point.

    Life is Good!
    Jeff

  13. Paul Kopit said:

    On Fri, 07 May 2004 11:13:59 +0200, Derk <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    My first priority is cycling without visiting any repairshops if
    possible, but because I'll do a lot of climbing, I want a relatively
    leightweight wheelset that doesn't have to be trued all the time.

    I have a pair of D-A 9S hubs lying around here. Would an Open Pro
    wheelset be a good idea? Any ideas about this? What is the
    difference in weight between a 36 spoke D-A open Pro wheelset and a
    pair of ksyrium Elites?

    Leave the Ksyrium's home. They are not readilly repaired on the road.
    A set of Open Pro rims with 36 holes, DA hubs, and 15/16 swaged spokes
    will work fine. The build is everything. If built properly, you
    won't be truing the wheels hardly ever. Should you have a mishap,
    replacing a spoke or just riding with one spoke less works fine. On a
    5 mi climb at 6% I'd doubt that the weight difference to the Ksyriums
    would produce 1 minute of difference for normal riders. Ultegra 6500
    hubs will build just as good a wheel. You will have difficulty
    finding Ultegra 6500 hubs in 36 holes.

    The CXP33s may be even stronger but I don't like them. I much prefer
    the Velocity Aerohead OC ahead of the CXP33 and Open Pro.

    Much of the weight difference in these lightweight wheels comes from the hubs.
    For example, I bet my Rolf Sestriere rims weigh at least as much as Open Pros,
    if not more. But the Hugi-made hubs are probably 200g lighter, with the rest of
    the weight savings coming from Ti skewers and fewer spokes.

    My Rolfs came with my bike and they're fine, but wouldn't be my first choice.
    Instead I'd probably choose Velocity Aerohead, Torelli Master, or Open Pro rims,
    36 lightweight DB spokes, and "whatever" hub and skewer, from a good builder.
    Personally I don't think weight matters very much, but if weight is a
    consideration then Hugi or Chris King hubs are both lightweight and proven. I
    suppose the latest DA and Campy hubs are pretty light too. Note that even with
    such expensive components, custom-built wheels like these will still cost less
    (MSRP) than Ksyriums, Sestrieres, or other "hot" wheels du jour. They'll be
    built better, and won't require special parts or tools to fix, should that ever
    be necessary.

    Sometimes I can't believe I'm riding around on a supposed $800 set of wheels.
    It just seems silly. I've thought a lot about "cashing them in" on eBay and
    buying what I would really prefer, but so far they're holding up fine.

    Matt O.

  14. Matt O'Toole said:

    It just seems silly. I've thought a lot about "cashing them in" on eBay
    and buying what I would really prefer, but so far they're holding up fine.


    I know what you mean! You could sell them and add some money and buy those
    new ULTRA expensive hubs I just read about that have composite
    parts.......... ;-)

    I took a decision: I use my D-A 9S 36 hole hubs and have my mechanic build
    me a pair of CXP 33's with Sapim spokes. The roads where I cycle in France
    are sometimes so bad that the words: "attention potholes" are written on
    the road to warn you. I'll leave my cell phone at home and then my bike
    will weigh the same as when I would have used Ksyrium wheels.

    Thanks all! Derk

  15. daveornee said:

    Elite pair weighs 1,781 grams and a pair of 36 spoke DB 14/15 DURA ACE 9
    speed, OpenPro, brass nipples weigh 1,964 grams.

    Not sure where you D-A numbers come from, but using
    published weights, a pair of wheels using Dura-Ace 9S hubs,
    36 15/16 spokes, brass nipples, Open Pro rims, and no
    skewers should be 1706g.

    According to Mavic, the Ksyrium Elites are 1770g without
    skewers.

    Todd Kuzma
    Heron Bicycles
    Tullio's Big Dog Cyclery
    LaSalle, IL 815-223-1776
    http://www.heronbicycles.com
    http://www.tullios.com

  16. To Jeff, and all other well-wishers -

    To my knowledge, it is VERY difficult, nearly impossible, to buy the rims
    you are all so fond of - Velocity, I believe - here in Europe. If I am
    wrong, point me to my local (Paris region) dealer, please.

    If they are sold, it is not widespread, and of course in the eventuality of
    urgent replacement, it just will not happen.

    Maybe you could use your buyers' weight to get the company to expand a lot
    over here, and then we could look for alternatives.
    --
    Bonne route,

    Sandy
    Paris FR

    "Jeff Starr" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de :
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Derk <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Hi,

    I'm considering to take 2 wheelsets with me on vacation.

    I am considering to take a pair of Ksyrium Elites with me and/or a


    wheelset

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of D-A 9S hubs with either Open Pro or CXP 33 rims.

    My first priority is cycling without visiting any repairshops if


    possible,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    but because I'll do a lot of climbing, I want a relatively leightweight
    wheelset that doesn't have to be trued all the time.

    I have a pair of D-A 9S hubs lying around here. Would an Open Pro


    wheelset

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    be a good idea? Any ideas about this? What is the difference in weight
    between a 36 spoke D-A open Pro wheelset and a pair of ksyrium Elites?

    Thanks! Derk

    Hi, have you considered using Velocity rims? Take a look at the
    Aweroheads, Fusions, or Deep V. Here is the link:
    http://www.velocityusa.com/
    I just ordered a set of wheels, using DA 9-speed hubs and Velocity
    Aerohead rims. I choose the Aeroheads, because they were quite light
    [400, 405g] and have a good reputation. I weigh around 156lbs, for a
    heavier rider, the Deep V is supposed to be very strong. This info is
    based on research, but no personal experience, so it is of limited
    value. Could be a good starting point.

    Life is Good!
    Jeff

  17. Derk said:

    I'll leave my cell
    phone at home and then my bike will weigh the same as when I would
    have used Ksyrium wheels.

    That's a pretty good tradeoff -- a cell phone for sturdier equipment! (So you
    won't need the cell phone.)

    Matt O.

  18. Derk said:

    I'm considering to take 2 wheelsets with me on vacation.

    Quoted message said:

    I have a pair of D-A 9S hubs lying around here. Would an Open Pro wheelset
    be a good idea? Any ideas about this? What is the difference in weight
    between a 36 spoke D-A open Pro wheelset and a pair of ksyrium Elites?

    Just take some spare spokes with you. I think you'll find out why you
    shouldn't have bought the ksyriums when you price the cost of a
    handful of spare spokes ...

    - Don Gillies
    San Diego, CA

  19. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Plus, Mavic listed weights are generally without skewers.


    So you think weight diff. is even less?

    Uhh, not in this case cause i see the 1781 grams mentioned is a measured weight, see:
    http://weightweenies.starbike.com/listings/components.php?type=roadwheels

    "Derk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Ronald said:

    Plus, Mavic listed weights are generally without skewers.


    So you think weight diff. is even less?

    Greets, Derk

  20. Derk-<< >NOT the Elites...
    Just out of curiosity: did you witness many problems with them? >><BR><BR>

    Just the rear hub. If it gets dirty or dusty, it gets really sluugish...needed
    frequent clewaning/oiling. Poor deign with a plastic bushing at the base of the
    frrhub body.

    Derk-<< And one more important one: I have a D-A hubset here. Would you prefer
    Open
    Pro (lighter) or CXP 33 (bombproof rims) to build a wheelset with? >><BR><BR>

    Depends on you and your riding 'style' and needs..Both work well. All wheels
    should be 36 spoke, IMO. Geezzz, 4 spokes weigh 28 grams, and 36 is a stronger
    wheel...why some feel the 'need' to save 28 grams escapes me. Those same spend
    $$ on a 'bombproof' frameset and components but then ask about wheels that are
    'strong enough, not too strong'...

    Peter Chisholm
    Vecchio's Bicicletteria
    1833 Pearl St.
    Boulder, CO, 80302
    (303)440-3535
    http://www.vecchios.com
    "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

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