We should eat no artificial food ! ! !! !

Hans-Marc Olsen said:

Artificial food is bad for the body, food made with chemicals is bad for the body.

Agreed

Quoted message said:

Insects , trees , flowers and raw meat !

I prefer Grains, Nuts, Seeds, Fish and (some) meat, Fruit, Vegetables

--
Succorso

Succorso said:

Hans-Marc Olsen said:

Artificial food is bad for the body, food made with chemicals is bad
for the body.

Agreed

Quoted message said:

Insects , trees , flowers and raw meat !

I prefer Grains, Nuts, Seeds, Fish and (some) meat, Fruit, Vegetables

But all those things are made with chemicals too. So is tap water for that
matter. (Bottled water might or might not have more chemicals, but it will
have H2O, so you cannot avoid chemicals no matter what.)

What exactly is "natural" food? Is it the opposite of supernatural food?
Is it limited to foods that occur in nature? Grains may occur in nature,
but a bag of whole grain flour does not. It's not natural. There are foods
that claim to have all natural ingredients, so maybe a diet high in potato
chips would be good. They have no preservatives either, even though salt
used to be a preservative. I guess times change.

My grandmother used to have a bowl of plastic fruit on her table. I'm
pretty sure that that's artificial food. When my great grandmother tried
eating it, my grandmother thought it was the funniest thing. Then when
grandma got close to 100, she started to do the same thing. I agree that
artificial food is a bad thing. I disagree with my great grandmother who
said that America has the worst grapes.

Succorso said:

Hans-Marc Olsen said:

Artificial food is bad for the body, food made with chemicals is bad for the body.

Agreed

Quoted message said:

Insects , trees , flowers and raw meat !

I prefer Grains, Nuts, Seeds, Fish and (some) meat, Fruit, Vegetables

No, you need to build a resistance.

Eat more Cool Whip, Cheeze Whiz, Diet Coke, Pringles and Twinkies.

--
"If this is paradise, I wish I had a lawnmower"

Justice Gustine said:

Eat more Cool Whip, Cheeze Whiz, Diet Coke, Pringles and Twinkies.

The ingredients in Pringles are just as natural as that organic evaporated
cane juice that my health foods use instead of that nasty sugar.

Hagrinas Mivali said:

The ingredients in Pringles are just as natural as that organic evaporated
cane juice that my health foods use instead of that nasty sugar.

Please stop abusing the English language!

http://tutorials.naturalhealthperspective.com/glossary.html
"Natural is what naturally occurs in nature without any assistance
from man. What can only be made by man is called artificial. While
natural is what naturally occurs in nature, if mankind did not and had
never existed.

Man can produce both natural and artificial toxins. Evolution has
given living creatures a natural way of dealing with natural toxins.
Man made artificial toxins are especially harmful to life since these
toxins may not be biodegradable. Nor, has evolution given living
creatures a natural way of detoxifying these artifical toxins."

Natural
http://65.66.134.201/cgi-bin/webster/webster.exe?search_for_texts_web1828=natural
"Pertaining to nature; produced or effected by nature, or by the laws
of growth, formation or motion impressed on bodies or beings by divine
power. ... In this sense, natural is opposed to artificial or
acquired."
from Webster's 1828 Dictionary
--
john gohde
http://gnu-dictionary.naturalhealthperspective.com/

In article <[email hidden]>,

(N-H-P) said:

Please stop abusing the English language!
"Natural is what naturally occurs in nature without any assistance
from man. What can only be made by man is called artificial. While
natural is what naturally occurs in nature, if mankind did not and had
never existed.

Man can produce both natural and artificial toxins. Evolution has
given living creatures a natural way of dealing with natural toxins.
Man made artificial toxins are especially harmful to life since these
toxins may not be biodegradable. Nor, has evolution given living
creatures a natural way of detoxifying these artifical toxins."

I wish life were really this simple. The problem I have is when
natural is associated with healthy. All too often the opposite is true.

Natural rape seeds are poisonous, unnaturally Canola is considered
a health food. Cooking bread, vegetables, meat is to take a naturaly
occurring material and chemically alter it (make it into an unnatural
material) to make it taste better. All too often that change from
natural to unnatural "a good thing".

Elmer

N-H-P said:

Hagrinas Mivali said:

The ingredients in Pringles are just as natural as that organic
evaporated cane juice that my health foods use instead of that nasty
sugar.

Please stop abusing the English language!

I wasn't abusing the English language. Don't blame me if you didn't
understand my post.

"natural" means whatever the marketer wants it to mean.
bj

Hagrinas Mivali said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The ingredients in Pringles are just as natural as that organic
evaporated cane juice that my health foods use instead of that nasty
sugar.

Please stop abusing the English language!

I wasn't abusing the English language. Don't blame me if you didn't
understand my post.

Don't blame me if I use my brain to disagree with your statements and conclusions.

I do. And, just did. Yet, again. 🙂
--
http://gnu-dictionary.naturalhealthperspective.com/

Elmer said:

Quoted message said:

Please stop abusing the English language!

Quoted message said:

"Natural is what naturally occurs in nature without any assistance
from man. What can only be made by man is called artificial. While
natural is what naturally occurs in nature, if mankind did not and had
never existed.

Man can produce both natural and artificial toxins. Evolution has
given living creatures a natural way of dealing with natural toxins.
Man made artificial toxins are especially harmful to life since these
toxins may not be biodegradable. Nor, has evolution given living
creatures a natural way of detoxifying these artifical toxins."

I wish life were really this simple. The problem I have is when
natural is associated with healthy. All too often the opposite is true.

Life is that simple, when you use your brain. 🙂

The problem is entirely YOUR problem as the word 'natural' connotes no such thing.

Just my opinion, but I am right as usual.
--
john gohde
http://tutorials.naturalhealthperspective.com/glossary.html

"Natural" has no particular meaning when it comes to toxins. People, who
are natural too, and various other natural sources produce toxins as a
routine protection against attack. That "natural" toxin some plant may
make that sickens birds and may cause death if enough is consumed is there
to protect plants. That natural toxin some snakes produce is protection
against other critters. The taste of bitterness in foods is often a sign
that it is due to some toxin that is a protection against something that
plant wants to ward off as a protection. Toxic is toxic and using fuzzy
warm words in association with some of them helps us not at all. This
becomes important when "natural" supplements are offered for health and in
fact may contain somethingthat is toxic to people. For example, certain
"traditional" nostrums were discussed here recently because they routinely
contain toxic heavy metals. "Natural" red rice is a lipid control
supplement, which contains the biochemically same drug as a commercial
statin and with all the possible side effects that come with it.

bj said:

"natural" means whatever the marketer wants it to mean.

Is that how science operates? I really don't think so!

"Natural" has a specific meaning and it is always opposed to "artificial."
--
john gohde
http://tutorials.naturalhealthperspective.com/glossary.html

N-H-P said:

Hagrinas Mivali said:

Quoted message said:

> The ingredients in Pringles are just as natural as that organic
> evaporated cane juice that my health foods use instead of that
> nasty sugar.

Please stop abusing the English language!

I wasn't abusing the English language. Don't blame me if you didn't
understand my post.

Don't blame me if I use my brain to disagree with your statements and
conclusions.

I do. And, just did. Yet, again. 🙂

My statements implied that the word "natural" is pretty much meaningless in
this context because even something like potato chips could be considered
natural. I compared it to "organic evaporated cane juice" which is just a
buzz word for sugar, and I compared that to "nasty" sugar itself to drive
home my point.

This was also a follow up to an earlier post where I explained my position
in no uncertain terms.

Then you berated me for abusing the English language even though you never
said how, you gave a definition that was entirely consistent with what I had
said on my earlier post on this topic, and you claimed that you understood
my post.

Saying something does not make it true. If you honestly believe that name
calling and snide implications are the way to win arguments, I can do the
same thing, in which case, I win on your terms.

I used my brain far more than you did here. I win. Na, na, na, na, na.
(That's a schoolyard taunt by the way.)

By the way, you still did not understand my post, and I doubt you understand
this one either. Natural does have a specific meaning, but it has nothing
to do with whether a food is healthful.

P.S. Don't bother replying. I've already killfiled you.

Quoted message said:

"Natural" has no particular meaning when it comes to toxins. People,
who are natural too, and various other natural sources produce toxins
as a routine protection against attack. That "natural" toxin some
plant may make that sickens birds and may cause death if enough is
consumed is there to protect plants. That natural toxin some snakes
produce is protection against other critters. The taste of
bitterness in foods is often a sign that it is due to some toxin that
is a protection against something that plant wants to ward off as a
protection.

If "natural" has no specific meaning when it comes to toxins, then you
should not be referring to natural toxins so much in your post. The reality
is that if a toxin occurs in nature, it's a natural toxin.

Quoted message said:

Toxic is toxic and using fuzzy warm words in association
with some of them helps us not at all.

That's only if you consider "natural" to be fuzzy and warm. I don't. Nature
has both good and bad things.

Quoted message said:

This becomes important when
"natural" supplements are offered for health and in fact may contain
somethingthat is toxic to people.

It becomes important if people get a warm and fuzzy feeling from the word
when they should not. If you recognized that "natural" is not necessarily
something good or bad, it would be clear that merely being natural does not
necessarily make those supplements safe.

Quoted message said:

"Natural" has no particular meaning when it comes to toxins. People, who
are natural too, and various other natural sources produce toxins as a
routine protection against attack. That "natural" toxin some plant may
make that sickens birds and may cause death if enough is consumed is there
to protect plants. That natural toxin some snakes produce is protection
against other critters. The taste of bitterness in foods is often a sign
that it is due to some toxin that is a protection against something that
plant wants to ward off as a protection. Toxic is toxic and using fuzzy
warm words in association with some of them helps us not at all. This
becomes important when "natural" supplements are offered for health and in
fact may contain somethingthat is toxic to people. For example, certain
"traditional" nostrums were discussed here recently because they routinely
contain toxic heavy metals. "Natural" red rice is a lipid control
supplement, which contains the biochemically same drug as a commercial
statin and with all the possible side effects that come with it.

My, how you babble on so?

http://tutorials.naturalhealthperspective.com/glossary.html
"Natural is what naturally occurs in nature without any assistance
from man. What can only be made by man is called artificial. While
natural is what naturally occurs in nature, if mankind did not and had
never existed.

Man can produce both natural and artificial toxins. Evolution has
given living creatures a natural way of dealing with natural toxins.
Man made artificial toxins are especially harmful to life since these
toxins may not be biodegradable. Nor, has evolution given living
creatures a natural way of detoxifying these artifical toxins."

Just thought that you might want to know.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
--
john gohde

In article <[email hidden]>,

(N-H-P) said:

Evolution has
given living creatures a natural way of dealing with natural toxins.

The statement is not very useful.

If living things can "deal" with a substance without harm then it is
not a toxin. If a naturally occuring substance is toxic to living
creatures then evolution has not "given living creatures a natural way
of dealing with" such "natural toxins".

It is also important to note that evolution has given living
creatures many ways of dealing with artificial materials that could be
toxic. Many are digested, others are simply eliminated.

Elmer

Elmer

Quoted message said:

Man made artificial toxins are especially harmful to life since these
toxins may not be biodegradable. Nor, has evolution given living
creatures a natural way of detoxifying these artifical toxins."

Hagrinas Mivali said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> The ingredients in Pringles are just as natural as that organic
>> evaporated cane juice that my health foods use instead of that
>> nasty sugar.
>
> Please stop abusing the English language!

I wasn't abusing the English language. Don't blame me if you didn't
understand my post.

Don't blame me if I use my brain to disagree with your statements and
conclusions.

I do. And, just did. Yet, again. 🙂

My statements implied that the word "natural" is pretty much meaningless in
this context because even something like potato chips could be considered
natural.

Absolutely NOT! per the reasons I have already given. 🙂

Potato chips are artifical for a number of reasons.

They contain chemicals that are NOT naturally the part of anybodyies
diet: animal or human. Hence, humans have NOT evolved to process
those artificial chemicals.

Next, potato chips are not natural to the human diet because they have
been in it probably not more than a 100 years.

Cooking is natural to the human diet, because people have been cooking
for about 30,000 years. 🙂

Seems simply enought to me. I completely disagree with you, for the
above cited reasons.
--
john gohde
http://tutorials.naturalhealthperspective.com/glossary.html

Hagrinas Mivali said:

If "natural" has no specific meaning when it comes to toxins, then you
should not be referring to natural toxins so much in your post. The reality
is that if a toxin occurs in nature, it's a natural toxin.

Man is the measure of all things, Dear, especially in smn. 🙂

This is NOT a ng on floral and fungi! Just thought you might want to
know.

Toxins obtained from the human diet are of two types, when man is the
measure of all things: Natural and Artificial. 🙂

Natural toxins are those that mankind has evolved to deal with while
the artifical are those so new to the diet that no evolution has yet
to take place.

How many times do I have to state the perfectly obvious, before you
finally respond to it?

Quoted message said:

It becomes important if people get a warm and fuzzy feeling from the word
when they should not.

If you get warm and fuzzy from the world 'natural', Buddy, that
certainly is YOUR problem. I certainly do not. Please STOP abusing
the English language.
--
john gohde
http://tutorials.naturalhealthperspective.com/glossary.html

[email hidden] wrote:

Yes, my how you babble on so? Nevertheless, I will play your stupid
game and respond line by line. How about actually responding to my
points this time? Or, are you as stupid as your comments make 'the
Toad' out to be?

Quoted message said:

"Natural" has no particular meaning when it comes to toxins.

WRONG, ... wrong, Wrong!

Quoted message said:

People, who
are natural too, and various other natural sources produce toxins as a
routine protection against attack.

Man is the measure of all things, especially in smn. This is not a ng
on floral and fungi, you know!

Quoted message said:

That "natural" toxin some plant may
make that sickens birds and may cause death if enough is consumed is there
to protect plants. That natural toxin some snakes produce is protection
against other critters.

Man is the measure of all things, especially in smn. This is not a ng
on floral and fungi, you know!

Quoted message said:

The taste of bitterness in foods is often a sign
that it is due to some toxin that is a protection against something that
plant wants to ward off as a protection.

Man is the measure of all things, especially in smn. This is not a ng
on floral and fungi, you know!

What the plants that we have been eating for thousands of years do is
totally irrelevent! Do you suffer from AADD, 'Toad'?

Quoted message said:

Toxic is toxic and using fuzzy
warm words in association with some of them helps us not at all.

WRONG, ... wrong, Wrong! I have been writing maturely about evolution
and you babble on about warm and fuzzy. The only person being warm
and fuzzy here is YOU.

Quoted message said:

This
becomes important when "natural" supplements are offered for health and in
fact may contain somethingthat is toxic to people. For example, certain
"traditional" nostrums were discussed here recently because they routinely
contain toxic heavy metals. "Natural" red rice is a lipid control
supplement, which contains the biochemically same drug as a commercial
statin and with all the possible side effects that come with it.

Show me where I have referred to any one of these supplements in this
thread as being 'natural'.

This time 'Toad' respond to my points about evolution being the
measure of what is natural and artifical.
--
john gohde
http://tutorials.naturalhealthperspective.com/glossary.html