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We don't need speed cameras

Tony Raven · 2004-02-07T10:34:28+00:00

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/3466149.stm Jail threat to 116mph driver Green was said to be genuinely remorseful and embarrassed A teenage motorist has been warned by magistrates he could go to prison after breaking the speed limit by 76mph. James Green, 18, was caught driving a Volkswagen Golf at *116mph on a 40mph road* in the Black Country last July. Green from Netherton in Dudley admitted dangerous driving when he appeared at Halesowen magistrates court on Friday. His solicitor told the court he was genuinely remorseful, greatly ashamed and embarrassed. Green was one of 58 motorists caught speeding in Thorns Road, Quarry Bank, near Dudley during the week of the speed trap. *Six were recorded travelling at over 80mph and one was doing 96mph*. Officers described Green's speed as "phenomenal". The court heard he was driving his father's car, a 3.5 litre VW Golf VR6 at the time. He was said to be a young, inexperienced driver with a clean driving licence, of good character and with no previous convictions. He was due to have an operation in hospital the next day and was said to be taking his last opportunity to drive for two months. Green was remanded on unconditional bail and banned from driving, pending an appearance in court for sentencing on 26 February.

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Tony Raven
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7 February 2004, 10:34 UTC #1

news.bbc.co.uk3466149.stm
Jail threat to 116mph driver
Green was said to be genuinely remorseful and embarrassed A teenage motorist has been warned by
magistrates he could go to prison after breaking the speed limit by 76mph. James Green, 18, was
caught driving a Volkswagen Golf at *116mph on a 40mph road* in the Black Country last July. Green
from Netherton in Dudley admitted dangerous driving when he appeared at Halesowen magistrates court
on Friday. His solicitor told the court he was genuinely remorseful, greatly ashamed and
embarrassed. Green was one of 58 motorists caught speeding in Thorns Road, Quarry Bank, near Dudley
during the week of the speed trap. *Six were recorded travelling at over 80mph and one was doing
96mph*. Officers described Green's speed as "phenomenal". The court heard he was driving his
father's car, a 3.5 litre VW Golf VR6 at the time. He was said to be a young, inexperienced driver
with a clean driving licence, of good character and with no previous convictions. He was due to have
an operation in hospital the next day and was said to be taking his last opportunity to drive for
two months. Green was remanded on unconditional bail and banned from driving, pending an appearance
in court for sentencing on 26 February.

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Peter B
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7 February 2004, 10:34 UTC #2

"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Jail threat to 116mph driver He was due to have an operation in hospital the next day and
was said to

be
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taking his last opportunity to drive for two months.
What's the op then, a brain implant?
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Richard Goodman
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7 February 2004, 11:35 UTC #3

"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:
news.bbc.co.uk3466149.stm
Jail threat to 116mph driver
Green was said to be genuinely remorseful and embarrassed A teenage motorist has been warned by
magistrates he could go to prison

after
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breaking the speed limit by 76mph.
Good, but unlikely
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The court heard he was driving his father's car, a 3.5 litre VW Golf VR6

at
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the time. He was said to be a young, inexperienced driver with a clean driving

licence,
dangerous f**kwit,
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of good character and with no previous convictions.
Only because he hadn't been caught before..
Hopefully it'll be a very long time before he gets to drive his Dad's car again.....
Rich

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Zog The Undenia
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7 February 2004, 11:35 UTC #4

Tony Raven said:
news.bbc.co.uk3466149.stm
Jail threat to 116mph driver
Green was said to be genuinely remorseful and embarrassed A teenage motorist has been warned by
magistrates he could go to prison after breaking the speed limit by 76mph. James Green, 18, was
caught driving a Volkswagen Golf at *116mph on a 40mph road* in the Black Country last July.
My brother-in-law allowed one of the office juniors to use his BMW while he was on holiday. When he
got back he had a speeding ticket for 120mph on a 40mph road. Needless to say, the office junior
ceased to be employed the same day.

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Tim Cain
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7 February 2004, 12:35 UTC #5

"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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news.bbc.co.uk3466149.stm
Jail threat to 116mph driver

[snip tale of 18 year old's lunacy]
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The story doesn't mention talking without consent, or driving without insurance, so I'm assuming dad
had insured this buffoon for the Golf VR6.
Insuring a teenager for this kind of car must cost well into 4 figures, surely?
Tim.
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Helen Deborah V
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7 February 2004, 13:35 UTC #6

"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]>typed
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news.bbc.co.uk3466149.stm
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Jail threat to 116mph driver
Quoted message said:
Green was said to be genuinely remorseful and embarrassed A teenage motorist has been warned by
magistrates he could go to prison after breaking the speed limit by 76mph. James Green, 18, was
caught driving a Volkswagen Golf at *116mph on a 40mph road* in the Black Country last July. Green
from Netherton in Dudley admitted dangerous driving when he appeared at Halesowen magistrates
court on Friday. His solicitor told the court he was genuinely remorseful, greatly ashamed and
embarrassed. Green was one of 58 motorists caught speeding in Thorns Road, Quarry Bank, near
Dudley during the week of the speed trap. *Six were recorded travelling at over 80mph and one was
doing 96mph*. Officers described Green's speed as "phenomenal". The court heard he was driving his
father's car, a 3.5 litre VW Golf VR6 at the time. He was said to be a young, inexperienced driver
with a clean driving licence, of good character and with no previous convictions. He was due to
have an operation in hospital the next day and was said to be taking his last opportunity to drive
for two months. Green was remanded on unconditional bail and banned from driving, pending an
appearance in court for sentencing on 26 February.
Has the speed limit for that road dropped in the last few years? [1]
I think I was chugging along there (legally) at 65mph just before I passed my driving test...
[1] I left the area at the end of January 1985...
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Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

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Richard Goodman
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7 February 2004, 13:35 UTC #7

"Tim Cain" <tim_no1@you_know_what_to_cut_timcain.co.uk> wrote in message
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Insuring a teenager for this kind of car must cost well into 4 figures, surely?
Probably, but if it didn't before it surely will now ;-).
I know that it cost damn near 4-figures to insure my 19 yr old step-daughter to drive her own little
1 litre Micra, however, it is generally cheaper to add a young driver to your own policy than it is
to insure them to drive their own car.
Rich

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Jack Ouzzi
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7 February 2004, 13:35 UTC #8

On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 11:50:33 -0000, "Tim Cain"
tim_no1@you_know_what_to_cut_timcain.co.uk said:

"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
berlin.de...
Quoted message said:
news.bbc.co.uk3466149.stm
Jail threat to 116mph driver

[snip tale of 18 year old's lunacy]
Quoted message said:
The story doesn't mention talking without consent, or driving without insurance, so I'm assuming
dad had insured this buffoon for the Golf VR6.
Insuring a teenager for this kind of car must cost well into 4 figures, surely?
Apparently Dad has been nicked as well for interfering with the police investigation
.................
I always thought that was known as perverting the course of justice .......... a possible lock him
away jobbie !!
Still we only kill around 3500 people a year with our cars, so a little bit of speed is
OK...................

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Nobody760
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7 February 2004, 14:34 UTC #9

OK Im a cynical old sod. It crosses my mind, what do you think the response would be if you posted
this in say rec.supa-doopa.cars?
Yes, its was wrong BUT, infringement of liberty, spying on us tax paying motorists,
unnecessary intrustion, paying through the nose, moment of madness, my divine right to go
fast whenever I want, mitigating circumstances....blah....blah...blah.
Yea I admit it - I am a cynical old sod. I just hope and pray to God that when I'm out on my
bike that [censored] lets me get a bit older!

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Graham
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7 February 2004, 14:34 UTC #10

"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
news.bbc.co.uk3466149.stm
Jail threat to 116mph driver
Green was said to be genuinely remorseful and embarrassed A teenage motorist has been warned by
magistrates he could go to prison

after
Quoted message said:
breaking the speed limit by 76mph. James Green, 18, was caught driving a Volkswagen Golf at
*116mph on a

40mph
Quoted message said:
road* in the Black Country last July. Green from Netherton in Dudley admitted dangerous driving
when he appeared

at
Quoted message said:
Halesowen magistrates court on Friday. His solicitor told the court he was genuinely remorseful,
greatly ashamed

and
Quoted message said:
embarrassed. Green was one of 58 motorists caught speeding in Thorns Road, Quarry Bank, near
Dudley during the week of the speed trap. *Six were recorded travelling at over 80mph and one was
doing 96mph*.

Officers
Quoted message said:
described Green's speed as "phenomenal". The court heard he was driving his father's car, a 3.5
litre VW Golf VR6

at
Quoted message said:
the time. He was said to be a young, inexperienced driver with a clean driving

licence,
Quoted message said:
of good character and with no previous convictions. He was due to have an operation in hospital
the next day and was said to

be
Quoted message said:
taking his last opportunity to drive for two months. Green was remanded on unconditional bail and
banned from driving, pending

an
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appearance in court for sentencing on 26 February.

I notice a quote from his "Solicitor" in there, that should lessen his chances of leniency then !
Graham

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Willowbeauty
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7 February 2004, 18:35 UTC #11

"Tim Cain" <tim_no1@you_know_what_to_cut_timcain.co.uk> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
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"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
berlin.de...
Quoted message said:
news.bbc.co.uk3466149.stm
Jail threat to 116mph driver

[snip tale of 18 year old's lunacy]
Quoted message said:
The story doesn't mention talking without consent, or driving without insurance, so I'm assuming
dad had insured this buffoon for the Golf VR6.
Insuring a teenager for this kind of car must cost well into 4 figures, surely?
Tim.
The father was in court on the same day- might provide part of the answer

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Gareth A .
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7 February 2004, 18:35 UTC #12

Jack Ouzzi said:
Tim Cain' tim_no1@you_know_what_to_cut_timcain.co.uk said:

"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
berlin.de...
Quoted message said:
news.bbc.co.uk3466149.stm
Jail threat to 116mph driver

[snip tale of 18 year old's lunacy]
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Still we only kill around 3500 people a year with our cars, so a little bit of speed is
OK...................
The NHS kills 35,000 a year due to malpractice - hey a bit of incompetence is ok! 5,000 are killed
due to uncleanliness in hospitals, hey a bit of laziness is ok!

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Ric
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7 February 2004, 20:34 UTC #13

"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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He should have knocked over and killed a cyclist while he was at it - then he would have escaped
jail and just received a £750 fine.

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Johnb
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7 February 2004, 20:34 UTC #14

Ric said:

"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
berlin.de...
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news.bbc.co.uk3466149.stm
Jail threat to 116mph driver

He should have knocked over and killed a cyclist while he was at it - then he would have escaped
jail and just received a £750 fine.
You are being far far too hard on the legal system.
He would have also got 9 points on his licence.
John B

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Just Zis Guy
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7 February 2004, 21:34 UTC #15

On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 09:55:47 -0000, "Tony Raven"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Votes please:
a) cut off his goolies
b) shoot him and burn the body
c) neither
d) both
I mistyped neither writing that. Which reminded me: anyone remember the BBC Radio adaptation of Lord
of the Rings? Ian "Bilbo" Holm as Frodo, and one William Nighy as Master Samwise Gamgee.
Guy
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Keith Midgley
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7 February 2004, 23:34 UTC #16

you know? said:
I mistyped neither writing that. Which reminded me: anyone remember the BBC Radio adaptation of
Lord of the Rings? Ian "Bilbo" Holm as Frodo, and one William Nighy as Master Samwise Gamgee.
Also Sir Michael Hordern as Gandalf!
It rather amused me when I heard Ian Holm was playing Bilbo in the film version. I have a 12" vinyl
disc of the music from the radio version.
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Jack Ouzzi
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8 February 2004, 09:34 UTC #17

nobody760 said:

Yea I admit it - I am a cynical old sod. I just hope and pray to God that when I'm out on
my bike that [censored] lets me get a bit older!
I will second that (not that your a cynical old sod) .......... I lost two very good cycling friends
in seperate 'hit & runs' and that was enough for me to hang up my racing shoes .............
Just wanna ride me bike in peace ...................

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Helen Deborah V
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8 February 2004, 14:35 UTC #18

Jon <see_my.sig@end_of.message>typed
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Not easy to do 40 mph though (let alone 116 mph) with the traffic levels generated by the Merry
Hill shopping complex (was Round Oak Steelworks in your day!).
Indeed it was!
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