WAY OT -- computer question

the black rose said:

Okay, I gots a question for you computer nerds out there.

Is there any way to get Windows XP defrag to move ALL files to the
beginning of the drive?

There is no reason to do so. There is no real time speed advantage to
doing this if you could. And you can't with any XP install.

Quoted message said:

Most of the data on my hard drive is at the
beginning of the drive, but there are files way the heck out toward the
"end" of the drive, and defrag won't move them. It moved some of them
after I ran chkdsk, but there's still data way out there.

Or will I need to get 3rd party software to get all the data moved to
the same area of the drive?

If so, what do you recommend, and is any of it free and safe enough to
download?

Diskkeeper from Executive Software is the one I recommend. It's worked
well for me and my clients. Yeah, you have to pay and it won't do
exactly what you wish, but it will organize your disk optimally.

-paul
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paul DOT cassel aT
gMail dot COM

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If so, what do you recommend, and is any of it free and safe enough to
download?

Diskkeeper from Executive Software is the one I recommend. It's worked
well for me and my clients. Yeah, you have to pay and it won't do
exactly what you wish, but it will organize your disk optimally.

-paul

I have Diskkeeper, and no, it won't change "everything" to the start of the
disk drive. It will organize the disk optimally, but it still won't put
everything at the start.

Pat in TX

Paul Cassel said:

the black rose said:

Okay, I gots a question for you computer nerds out there.

Is there any way to get Windows XP defrag to move ALL files to the
beginning of the drive?

There is no reason to do so.

There is if you want to repartition your hard drive.

But I'm beginning to think I might as well just add another instead.
*sigh* That means getting a new power supply. *mutter*

-km

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the black rose said:

Paul Cassel said:

the black rose said:

Okay, I gots a question for you computer nerds out there.

Is there any way to get Windows XP defrag to move ALL files to the
beginning of the drive?

There is no reason to do so.

There is if you want to repartition your hard drive.

But I'm beginning to think I might as well just add another instead.
*sigh* That means getting a new power supply. *mutter*

-km

Partition Magic won't do it?

-B

the black rose said:

Okay, I gots a question for you computer nerds out there.

Is there any way to get Windows XP defrag to move ALL files to the
beginning of the drive? Most of the data on my hard drive is at the
beginning of the drive, but there are files way the heck out toward the
"end" of the drive, and defrag won't move them. It moved some of them
after I ran chkdsk, but there's still data way out there.

Why would you want to do this? Your idea of good organization is not the
computer's. If you put everything together at the beginning of the drive,
then the next file that gets modified will also get fragmented.

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_`\(,_ | mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so
(_)/ (_) | that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am
nothing. [1 Corinth. 13:2]

the black rose said:

There is if you want to repartition your hard drive.

Oh. But the partitioning software should have a special program to do
this. Certainly it is possible, but for general use it is not necessarily
a good thing, especially with all the excess capacity we have these days.

Quoted message said:

But I'm beginning to think I might as well just add another instead.
*sigh* That means getting a new power supply. *mutter*

Shouldn't, unless you have a lot of drives hooked up already. Last
computer I fiddled with had power connections for 6 drives. You can also
get splitters to add more drives.

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_`\(,_ | Michael Crichton
(_)/ (_) |

windows uses a swap file... you have to set this to zero( or a very
small size) and then defrag ( or if you have multiple HD's .. put the
swap file on one of the other HDs and then defrag)... otherwise it
takes up a big section on the HD..

charlie

the black rose said:

Okay, I gots a question for you computer nerds out there.

Is there any way to get Windows XP defrag to move ALL files to the
beginning of the drive? Most of the data on my hard drive is at the
beginning of the drive, but there are files way the heck out toward the
"end" of the drive, and defrag won't move them. It moved some of them
after I ran chkdsk, but there's still data way out there.

Or will I need to get 3rd party software to get all the data moved to
the same area of the drive?

If so, what do you recommend, and is any of it free and safe enough to
download?

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Quoted message said:

Okay, I gots a question for you computer nerds out there.

Is there any way to get Windows XP defrag to move ALL files to the
beginning of the drive? Most of the data on my hard drive is at the
beginning of the drive, but there are files way the heck out toward the
"end" of the drive, and defrag won't move them. It moved some of them
after I ran chkdsk, but there's still data way out there.

Or will I need to get 3rd party software to get all the data moved to
the same area of the drive?

If so, what do you recommend, and is any of it free and safe enough to
download?

--
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the black rose
proud to be owned by a yorkie
http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts

are you planning to re-partition the drive? IMO it's a lot easier to run
addl drive instead. shouldn't require a new power supply, maybe just a
y-connecter.
i had this drive that was all screwed up by windows or boot virus so just
for fun i downloaded red hat 9 (three disks) and installed it. it works
great, it's free, and there's lots of free stuff to download! first step in
quitting the ms habit.
-natal shim

the black rose said:

Okay, I gots a question for you computer nerds out there.

Is there any way to get Windows XP defrag to move ALL files to the
beginning of the drive? Most of the data on my hard drive is at the
beginning of the drive, but there are files way the heck out toward the
"end" of the drive, and defrag won't move them. It moved some of them
after I ran chkdsk, but there's still data way out there.

Or will I need to get 3rd party software to get all the data moved to
the same area of the drive?

If so, what do you recommend, and is any of it free and safe enough to
download?

Buy another hard drive? They are cheap enough and almost anyone can put
one in.
Only a total moron would not be able to do that, and you can get 120MB
drives
for under $100 these days.
Bill Baka

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Paul Cassel said:

the black rose said:

Okay, I gots a question for you computer nerds out there.

Is there any way to get Windows XP defrag to move ALL files to the
beginning of the drive?

There is no reason to do so. There is no real time speed advantage to
doing this if you could. And you can't with any XP install.

Quoted message said:

Most of the data on my hard drive is at the beginning of the drive, but
there are files way the heck out toward the "end" of the drive, and
defrag won't move them. It moved some of them after I ran chkdsk, but
there's still data way out there.

Or will I need to get 3rd party software to get all the data moved to
the same area of the drive?

If so, what do you recommend, and is any of it free and safe enough to
download?

Diskkeeper from Executive Software is the one I recommend. It's worked
well for me and my clients. Yeah, you have to pay and it won't do
exactly what you wish, but it will organize your disk optimally.

-paul

Follow up here. Most computers ship with barely enough ram to boot.
Once you add all the firewalls and protection you can suck up about
120MB easily. My daughters compaq presario 5 came with ME and only 64
MB of memory and a lousy 20 GB hard drive. They must clean out the old
inventory before even thinking about putting newer stuff in their name
brands
full of the cheapest Chinese components.
I added a stick of 128MB I had laying around and she immediately
noticed the difference. Mine had 256MB of PC2700 333MHz until the stick
commit
suicide and wouldn't boot anymore. A friend gave me a 266MHz stick of 128
MB and
gawd is it slow now. The next thing on my computer list is at least a
512MB, 333MHz
stick if not 3 x 1 GB. Right now I notice the hard drives are working
extra hard
to keep up with all the swapping going on, and I want those to last. I
even put
the swap file on another hard drive and it still only makes a minor
difference.
It doesn't matter if you have a 3+GHz CPU, the memory is the limiting
factor.
Bill Baka

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"Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Buy another hard drive? They are cheap enough and almost anyone can put
one in.
Only a total moron would not be able to do that, and you can get 120MB
drives
for under $100 these days.
Bill Baka

I should hope so. Even 120GB drives are under $100...🙂

Pete

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 03:32:34 GMT, Pete

ptr@ThievingBastardsWorkAt_usaf.com said:

"Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Buy another hard drive? They are cheap enough and almost anyone can put
one in.
Only a total moron would not be able to do that, and you can get 120MB
drives
for under $100 these days.
Bill Baka

I should hope so. Even 120GB drives are under $100...🙂

Pete

Damn typos. I meant 120GB.

Bill

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the black rose said:

Okay, I gots a question for you computer nerds out there.

Is there any way to get Windows XP defrag to move ALL files to the
beginning of the drive? {snip}

Seeing this prompted me to check my fraginess. Ran the defrag; no problem

Then re-started, and Windows threw me into Update mode -- finally time to DL
& install Service Pack Two.

Takes like an hour (total) on broadband, but OK. Re-boot again, immediately
get some stupid Windows Firewall popup, but otherwise OK.

Open browser. Then open OE (with Quotefix), and immediately see little
"place holder" boxes when smileys had been, and all text is black instead of
the color-coded quoting I'd come to love.

Live with it for all of an hour; then uninstall the frigging thing. Takes
another ~20 mins or so, but all seems back to normal now.

🙂 Test 🙂

Bill "I blame The Black Rose for all my woes" S.

the black rose said:

Paul Cassel said:

the black rose said:

Okay, I gots a question for you computer nerds out there.

Is there any way to get Windows XP defrag to move ALL files to the
beginning of the drive?

There is no reason to do so.

There is if you want to repartition your hard drive.

But I'm beginning to think I might as well just add another instead.
*sigh* That means getting a new power supply. *mutter*

-km

No, not if you wish to repartition your drive. Partitions are logical,
not physical. -paul

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gMail dot COM

S o r n i said:

the black rose said:

Okay, I gots a question for you computer nerds out there.

Is there any way to get Windows XP defrag to move ALL files to the
beginning of the drive? {snip}

Seeing this prompted me to check my fraginess. Ran the defrag; no problem

Then re-started, and Windows threw me into Update mode -- finally time to DL
& install Service Pack Two.

Takes like an hour (total) on broadband, but OK. Re-boot again, immediately
get some stupid Windows Firewall popup, but otherwise OK.

Open browser. Then open OE (with Quotefix), and immediately see little
"place holder" boxes when smileys had been, and all text is black instead of
the color-coded quoting I'd come to love.

Live with it for all of an hour; then uninstall the frigging thing. Takes
another ~20 mins or so, but all seems back to normal now.

🙂 Test 🙂

Bill "I blame The Black Rose for all my woes" S.

*snorfle*

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the black rose
proud to be owned by a yorkie
http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts

dreaded said:

are you planning to re-partition the drive? IMO it's a lot easier to run
addl drive instead. shouldn't require a new power supply, maybe just a
y-connecter.
i had this drive that was all screwed up by windows or boot virus so just
for fun i downloaded red hat 9 (three disks) and installed it. it works
great, it's free, and there's lots of free stuff to download! first step in
quitting the ms habit.

Okay, I confess.

What happened was, I put Linux on my laptop, after going 10 years
without Linux. And I realized just how much fun I have with the darned
thing. So I think -- hey, I'll put it on my desktop, I have a huge hard
drive on that thing and I'm only using 15% of it. I'll split it 50-50
and have plenty of room for both. Dual boot. Fun, yar.

I appreciate that data shouldn't be smack on top of other data, but how
many programs really NEED 30 GB of free space on either side of them? I
mean really? There's data scattered all over the hard drive, including
some that makes it look like the most I could get for a Linux partition
would be maybe 20 GB. That's ludicrous.

So I rootled around online and ordered a new hard drive. If Linux has
to share a machine with XP, it'll probably be happier on its own hard drive.

The power supply, well, that can be worked around. My desktop IS using
all six connections -- hard drive, floppy drive, DVD, CD-RW, zip drive
and a bleeding edge video card with an onboard fan that requires its own
power connection. It's a Dell Dimension 8100, by the way, bought in
2001, with several upgraded components (like the video card) because I
can't leave things alone. *grin*

The bigger issue is the fact that the zip drive is on the ribbon with
the hard drive. Urk. Now I have to go Read The Fine Manual. *sigh*

-km

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the black rose
proud to be owned by a yorkie
http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts

S o r n i wrote:
|| the black rose wrote:
||| Okay, I gots a question for you computer nerds out there.
|||
||| Is there any way to get Windows XP defrag to move ALL files to the
||| beginning of the drive? {snip}
||
|| Seeing this prompted me to check my fraginess. Ran the defrag; no
|| problem
||
|| Then re-started, and Windows threw me into Update mode -- finally
|| time to DL & install Service Pack Two.
||
|| Takes like an hour (total) on broadband, but OK. Re-boot again,
|| immediately get some stupid Windows Firewall popup, but otherwise OK.
||
|| Open browser. Then open OE (with Quotefix), and immediately see
|| little "place holder" boxes when smileys had been, and all text is
|| black instead of the color-coded quoting I'd come to love.
||
|| Live with it for all of an hour; then uninstall the frigging thing.
|| Takes another ~20 mins or so, but all seems back to normal now.
||
|| 🙂 Test 🙂

Yeah, SP2 is known to cause woes. MS ought to be shot for making it
available as an auto update for the unsuspecting.

Roger Zoul said:

S o r n i wrote: {snipz fore and aft}

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Then re-started, and Windows threw me into Update mode -- finally
time to DL & install Service Pack Two.

Quoted message said:

Yeah, SP2 is known to cause woes. MS ought to be shot for making it
available as an auto update for the unsuspecting.

Well, to be fair, I /chose/ to DL the damned thing; not like it did it
automatically at 3 am or something. Still, a PITA...

Bill "anything in it I need?" S.

dreaded said:

i had this drive that was all screwed up by windows or boot virus so just
for fun i downloaded red hat 9 (three disks) and installed it. it works
great, it's free, and there's lots of free stuff to download! first step in
quitting the ms habit.

RedHat 9 is old enough that it is no longer maintained. If you're going
to install linux, you may as well go for something more modern like Fedora
Core 2 or any of the numerous options on http://linuxiso.org/

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-John ([email hidden])