Water, water, and more.

Bill Baka <[email hidden]> wrote in
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For those of you who thought I was kidding about the Mongoose
project here is a picture of it so far. Water bottles can be
attached to the forks in front and I am thing about one below the
bottom tube. next on the list is bottles on the down tubes on the
rear. The left one should be easy (I hope) and the right one may
have a clearance problem with the gears and such. Would you
embarass a Trek this way? I did trade in the front knobby for a
1.75" street type tire and it is a lot quieter now.

Take a look.

http://www.syix.com/bbaka/bike/water_bike.jpg

Bill (Way out of the box) Baka

Bill these will bounce out the minute you hit a unpaved road...trust
me.

Mike Latondresse said:

Bill Baka <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

For those of you who thought I was kidding about the Mongoose
project here is a picture of it so far. Water bottles can be
attached to the forks in front and I am thing about one below the
bottom tube. next on the list is bottles on the down tubes on the
rear. The left one should be easy (I hope) and the right one may
have a clearance problem with the gears and such. Would you
embarass a Trek this way? I did trade in the front knobby for a
1.75" street type tire and it is a lot quieter now.

Take a look.

http://www.syix.com/bbaka/bike/water_bike.jpg

Bill (Way out of the box) Baka

Bill these will bounce out the minute you hit a unpaved road...trust
me.

That is why I am starting to buy oversized diameter bottles that I have
to stop and wedge in. I went flying into a bit of washboard gravel road
a few weeks back and before I got 50 feet into it the vertical holder
had ejected it's bottle. The road was nasty enough that it didn't bother
me to have to stop and go back for it. The angled riser bar has a tight
fit and the one on the left fork is a serious wedge fit that I need two
hands to get in or out. That limits drinking while riding but if I can
find enough of these containers or a way to bungee them in I will be
happy. It turns out that the best bottle was picked up for a dime at a
local garage sale and I can't find the ones I want at either LBS or
Wally world.
Bill Baka

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Quoted message said:

For those of you who thought I was kidding about the Mongoose project
here is a picture of it so far. Water bottles can be attached to the
forks in front and I am thing about one below the bottom tube. next on
the list is bottles on the down tubes on the rear. The left one should
be easy (I hope) and the right one may have a clearance problem with the
gears and such. Would you embarass a Trek this way? I did trade in the
front knobby for a 1.75" street type tire and it is a lot quieter now.

Take a look.

http://www.syix.com/bbaka/bike/water_bike.jpg

Bill (Way out of the box) Baka

While you might be able to jury rig some tie-down stoppers, I think if I
need to carry that much water I would try a sippy-sack!

Ken

Bill Baka said:

For those of you who thought I was kidding about the Mongoose project
here is a picture of it so far. Water bottles can be attached to the
forks in front and I am thing about one below the bottom tube. next on
the list is bottles on the down tubes on the rear. The left one should
be easy (I hope) and the right one may have a clearance problem with the
gears and such. Would you embarass a Trek this way? I did trade in the
front knobby for a 1.75" street type tire and it is a lot quieter now.

Take a look.

http://www.syix.com/bbaka/bike/water_bike.jpg

Bill (Way out of the box) Baka

Where are the Camelback and beer hat?

Michael "max hydration" C.

Ken said:

"Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

For those of you who thought I was kidding about the Mongoose project
here is a picture of it so far. Water bottles can be attached to the
forks in front and I am thing about one below the bottom tube. next on
the list is bottles on the down tubes on the rear. The left one should
be easy (I hope) and the right one may have a clearance problem with the
gears and such. Would you embarass a Trek this way? I did trade in the
front knobby for a 1.75" street type tire and it is a lot quieter now.

Take a look.

http://www.syix.com/bbaka/bike/water_bike.jpg

Bill (Way out of the box) Baka

While you might be able to jury rig some tie-down stoppers, I think if I
need to carry that much water I would try a sippy-sack!

Ken

I can't. Impractical. I carry tools, tubes, food, and other items I
might need on a long ride into the outback. If something really breaks
on the bike I want more than just a tire patch kit, and if I can't fix
it on the spot I may want enough food to spend the night. That's what I
get for going so far off the beaten path, no path and no cell phone
coverage, and sure no people walking by to help.
Bill Baka

Michael said:

Bill Baka said:

For those of you who thought I was kidding about the Mongoose project
here is a picture of it so far. Water bottles can be attached to the
forks in front and I am thing about one below the bottom tube. next on
the list is bottles on the down tubes on the rear. The left one should
be easy (I hope) and the right one may have a clearance problem with the
gears and such. Would you embarass a Trek this way? I did trade in the
front knobby for a 1.75" street type tire and it is a lot quieter now.

Take a look.

http://www.syix.com/bbaka/bike/water_bike.jpg

Bill (Way out of the box) Baka

Where are the Camelback and beer hat?

Michael "max hydration" C.

Camelback has been replaced by a kids book back pack for tools and food
but cold beer might ride nicely in there. I tried it in a water bottle
once and got about (maybe) 2 blocks from the house when the bottle blew
it's lid and most of the brew. Too much vibration even on good pavement.
Bill Baka

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Ken said:

"Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

For those of you who thought I was kidding about the Mongoose project
here is a picture of it so far. Water bottles can be attached to the
forks in front and I am thing about one below the bottom tube. next on
the list is bottles on the down tubes on the rear. The left one should
be easy (I hope) and the right one may have a clearance problem with the
gears and such. Would you embarass a Trek this way? I did trade in the
front knobby for a 1.75" street type tire and it is a lot quieter now.

Take a look.

http://www.syix.com/bbaka/bike/water_bike.jpg

Bill (Way out of the box) Baka

While you might be able to jury rig some tie-down stoppers, I think if I
need to carry that much water I would try a sippy-sack!

Ken

I can't. Impractical. I carry tools, tubes, food, and other items I might
need on a long ride into the outback. If something really breaks on the
bike I want more than just a tire patch kit, and if I can't fix it on the
spot I may want enough food to spend the night. That's what I get for
going so far off the beaten path, no path and no cell phone coverage, and
sure no people walking by to help.
Bill Baka

Seems like you might need to invest in a rack and some sort of trunk type
bag for the back end of that thing.

Ken

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Ken said:

"Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

For those of you who thought I was kidding about the Mongoose
project here is a picture of it so far. Water bottles can be
attached to the forks in front and I am thing about one below the
bottom tube. next on the list is bottles on the down tubes on the
rear. The left one should be easy (I hope) and the right one may
have a clearance problem with the gears and such. Would you
embarass a Trek this way? I did trade in the front knobby for a
1.75" street type tire and it is a lot quieter now.

Take a look.

http://www.syix.com/bbaka/bike/water_bike.jpg

Bill (Way out of the box) Baka

While you might be able to jury rig some tie-down stoppers, I
think if I need to carry that much water I would try a
sippy-sack!

Ken

I can't. Impractical. I carry tools, tubes, food, and other items
I might need on a long ride into the outback. If something really
breaks on the bike I want more than just a tire patch kit, and if
I can't fix it on the spot I may want enough food to spend the
night. That's what I get for going so far off the beaten path, no
path and no cell phone coverage, and sure no people walking by to
help. Bill Baka

Wait a minute Bill I thought all your rides were no more than 30
minutes away from home and you just kept doing laps

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Ken said:

"Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>For those of you who thought I was kidding about the Mongoose
>project here is a picture of it so far. Water bottles can be
>attached to the forks in front and I am thing about one below the
>bottom tube. next on the list is bottles on the down tubes on the
>rear. The left one should be easy (I hope) and the right one may
>have a clearance problem with the gears and such. Would you
>embarass a Trek this way? I did trade in the front knobby for a
>1.75" street type tire and it is a lot quieter now.
>
>Take a look.
>
>http://www.syix.com/bbaka/bike/water_bike.jpg
>
>Bill (Way out of the box) Baka

While you might be able to jury rig some tie-down stoppers, I
think if I need to carry that much water I would try a
sippy-sack!

Ken

I can't. Impractical. I carry tools, tubes, food, and other items
I might need on a long ride into the outback. If something really
breaks on the bike I want more than just a tire patch kit, and if
I can't fix it on the spot I may want enough food to spend the
night. That's what I get for going so far off the beaten path, no
path and no cell phone coverage, and sure no people walking by to
help. Bill Baka

Wait a minute Bill I thought all your rides were no more than 30
minutes away from home and you just kept doing laps

No you got it confused! He does do laps sometimes (so do I works good) but
other times he goes for century rides out by the air force base.. I looked
it up it is pretty far out there. Not much around.

Ken

Mike Latondresse said:

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Ken said:

"Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>For those of you who thought I was kidding about the Mongoose
>project here is a picture of it so far. Water bottles can be
>attached to the forks in front and I am thing about one below the
>bottom tube. next on the list is bottles on the down tubes on the
>rear. The left one should be easy (I hope) and the right one may
>have a clearance problem with the gears and such. Would you
>embarass a Trek this way? I did trade in the front knobby for a
>1.75" street type tire and it is a lot quieter now.
>
>Take a look.
>
>http://www.syix.com/bbaka/bike/water_bike.jpg
>
>Bill (Way out of the box) Baka

While you might be able to jury rig some tie-down stoppers, I
think if I need to carry that much water I would try a
sippy-sack!

Ken

I can't. Impractical. I carry tools, tubes, food, and other items
I might need on a long ride into the outback. If something really
breaks on the bike I want more than just a tire patch kit, and if
I can't fix it on the spot I may want enough food to spend the
night. That's what I get for going so far off the beaten path, no
path and no cell phone coverage, and sure no people walking by to
help. Bill Baka

Wait a minute Bill I thought all your rides were no more than 30
minutes away from home and you just kept doing laps

Not quite. Those may be 90% of the riding I do but when I decide to go
somewhere I go far out away from civilization. Rednecks carrying
shotguns that I see in the off hunting season don't qualify, so I
wouldn't approach a poacher with a gun and ask for help. My 'laps' are
merely some of the measured distances around farm fields around here.
They are either 6 miles or 12, and the out to and back is right at 25
with a small town at the end of that one. The 25 mile jaunt is the only
one with anything resembling a store, the rest are up in the woods.
There is no city/suburb situation up here so it is either motoring
through town with all the lights or out in the country.
Sorry to bust your bubble, but look on the map and you will see very few
towns and if you do some of those are ghost towns with barely a trace of
decomposed buildings left.
Bill Baka

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Ken wrote:

>"Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
>
>>For those of you who thought I was kidding about the Mongoose
>>project here is a picture of it so far. Water bottles can be
>>attached to the forks in front and I am thing about one below the
>>bottom tube. next on the list is bottles on the down tubes on the
>>rear. The left one should be easy (I hope) and the right one may
>>have a clearance problem with the gears and such. Would you
>>embarass a Trek this way? I did trade in the front knobby for a
>>1.75" street type tire and it is a lot quieter now.
>>
>>Take a look.
>>
>>http://www.syix.com/bbaka/bike/water_bike.jpg
>>
>>Bill (Way out of the box) Baka
>
>
>While you might be able to jury rig some tie-down stoppers, I
>think if I need to carry that much water I would try a
>sippy-sack!
>
>Ken
>

I can't. Impractical. I carry tools, tubes, food, and other items
I might need on a long ride into the outback. If something really
breaks on the bike I want more than just a tire patch kit, and if
I can't fix it on the spot I may want enough food to spend the
night. That's what I get for going so far off the beaten path, no
path and no cell phone coverage, and sure no people walking by to
help. Bill Baka

Wait a minute Bill I thought all your rides were no more than 30
minutes away from home and you just kept doing laps

No you got it confused! He does do laps sometimes (so do I works good) but
other times he goes for century rides out by the air force base.. I looked
it up it is pretty far out there. Not much around.

Ken

Thanks Ken,
The reason there is nothing on the East side of Beale AFB is that it
used to be the target zone of the gunnery range for Beale during the war
and there is a lot of unexploded ordinance out there. Rather than try to
clean up 113,000 acres of touchy shells for development they just
cleared a path for some service vehicles and apparently allow the
hunters to take their chances out there. Nobody dares trying to use a
back hoe in that area so I don't see much chance for towns or stores
popping up any time soon. The bridges I have pictures of are concrete or
wood and are from before 1940. Some have what looks like blast damage
but I didn't take pictures of them for that purpose since I didn't think
I would be here explaining the meaning of my 'outback'. It is some of a
very small amount of land in California that is not developed, but for a
good reason.
Bill Baka

Bill Baka said:

Ken said:

"Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

For those of you who thought I was kidding about the Mongoose project
here is a picture of it so far. Water bottles can be attached to the
forks in front and I am thing about one below the bottom tube. next on
the list is bottles on the down tubes on the rear. The left one should
be easy (I hope) and the right one may have a clearance problem with the
gears and such. Would you embarass a Trek this way? I did trade in the
front knobby for a 1.75" street type tire and it is a lot quieter now.

Take a look.

http://www.syix.com/bbaka/bike/water_bike.jpg

Bill (Way out of the box) Baka

While you might be able to jury rig some tie-down stoppers, I think if I
need to carry that much water I would try a sippy-sack!

Ken

I can't. Impractical. I carry tools, tubes, food, and other items I
might need on a long ride into the outback. If something really breaks
on the bike I want more than just a tire patch kit, and if I can't fix
it on the spot I may want enough food to spend the night. That's what I
get for going so far off the beaten path, no path and no cell phone
coverage, and sure no people walking by to help.

Most of the guys using a camelbak carry tools, parts, tubes, lunch, first aid
kit and like that.

Under the down tube is a fairly traditional bottle location.

Ron

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RonSonic said:

Bill Baka said:

Ken wrote:

>"Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
>
>>For those of you who thought I was kidding about the Mongoose project
>>here is a picture of it so far. Water bottles can be attached to the
>>forks in front and I am thing about one below the bottom tube. next on
>>the list is bottles on the down tubes on the rear. The left one should
>>be easy (I hope) and the right one may have a clearance problem with
>>the
>>gears and such. Would you embarass a Trek this way? I did trade in the
>>front knobby for a 1.75" street type tire and it is a lot quieter now.
>>
>>Take a look.
>>
>>http://www.syix.com/bbaka/bike/water_bike.jpg
>>
>>Bill (Way out of the box) Baka
>
>
>While you might be able to jury rig some tie-down stoppers, I think if I
>need to carry that much water I would try a sippy-sack!
>
>Ken
>

I can't. Impractical. I carry tools, tubes, food, and other items I might
need on a long ride into the outback. If something really breaks on the
bike I want more than just a tire patch kit, and if I can't fix it on the
spot I may want enough food to spend the night. That's what I get for
going so far off the beaten path, no path and no cell phone coverage, and
sure no people walking by to help.

Most of the guys using a camelbak carry tools, parts, tubes, lunch, first
aid
kit and like that.

Under the down tube is a fairly traditional bottle location.

Ron

Yeah,
That might work since the bottle holders on the fork and frame stems do
kind of ruin any aerodynamics I might have on a mountain bike. I took my
grandson (hyperactive) on a 25 mile +/- and while he was always yelling
"Grandpa, slow down." he did manage to drink 2 of my 24 Oz. water bottles
leaving me with only one. He was tired after we got back but still
hyperactive, OT here, but I was wondering if serious exercise might make
some kids less hyperactive without meds. For my water bottles it is only
going to get more crowded on my bike as I think of new places to put
bottles. I really don't like the weight of tools, food, and water on my
back so the more the bike carries the better of I am. I just wish I could
find some jumbo bottles, like maybe full liters (34 Oz.?) that would fit
snugly into my holders and not bounce out on every good impact.
Still thinking about new places to put water. I do need all I can get
since I have grandkids riding with me (only up to 25 miles, then the
whining begins) and the kids drink a remarkable amount of water, juice,
V-8, Gatorade or whatever. I am the pack mule on these rides.
Bill Baka

Well if it was me I would make them carry some stuff! Even if they can only
carry 1 bottle!

Ken

Ken said:

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Yeah,
That might work since the bottle holders on the fork and frame stems do
kind of ruin any aerodynamics I might have on a mountain bike. I took my
grandson (hyperactive) on a 25 mile +/- and while he was always yelling
"Grandpa, slow down." he did manage to drink 2 of my 24 Oz. water bottles
leaving me with only one. He was tired after we got back but still
hyperactive, OT here, but I was wondering if serious exercise might make
some kids less hyperactive without meds. For my water bottles it is only
going to get more crowded on my bike as I think of new places to put
bottles. I really don't like the weight of tools, food, and water on my
back so the more the bike carries the better of I am. I just wish I could
find some jumbo bottles, like maybe full liters (34 Oz.?) that would fit
snugly into my holders and not bounce out on every good impact.
Still thinking about new places to put water. I do need all I can get
since I have grandkids riding with me (only up to 25 miles, then the
whining begins) and the kids drink a remarkable amount of water, juice,
V-8, Gatorade or whatever. I am the pack mule on these rides.
Bill Baka

Well if it was me I would make them carry some stuff! Even if they can only
carry 1 bottle!

Ken

I am trying to get their parents (not me) to put out the money for
bottle holders and good quality bottles, larger than 24 Oz. if possible.
Most of their bikes, even the Wal-mart Huffys and el-cheapo bikes have
screws for at least one bottle, and I can rig a second with some car
type heater hose clamps. The kids 7 to 17 so far seem to drink a lot
more water than me but also have to make a lot more pit stops, err,
nature breaks than I do. My kidneys slow down on long hot rides but the
kids seem to go into overdrive unless they are over hydrating due to the
psychological factor of riding in 80-100+ summer heat. I drink about 3
cups of coffee and one glass of Orange Juice before starting a ride and
still never seem to over hydrate. On my solo rides I find myself
sweating buckets and plenty of water sloshing around inside of me but
not getting absorbed. Maybe I need to drink something with more salt??
Bill (non doctor) Baka

Bill Baka wrote:
I drink about 3

Quoted message said:

cups of coffee and one glass of Orange Juice before starting a ride

and

Quoted message said:

still never seem to over hydrate.

Over hydration, while covered in the press is - I think- not all that
common.
Riding in the desert it is hard to imagine. I'll often drink over one
quart per hour on a ride and still finish 4 lbs. lighter (ride of 40-50
miles) which means I'm "down" about a half gallon.

BTW coffee is a mild diuretic and thus a not very efficient hydrator.

Bill Baka said:

For those of you who thought I was kidding about the Mongoose project
here is a picture of it so far. Water bottles can be attached to the
forks in front and I am thing about one below the bottom tube. next on
the list is bottles on the down tubes on the rear. The left one should
be easy (I hope) and the right one may have a clearance problem with the
gears and such. Would you embarass a Trek this way? I did trade in the
front knobby for a 1.75" street type tire and it is a lot quieter now.

Take a look.

http://www.syix.com/bbaka/bike/water_bike.jpg

Bill (Way out of the box) Baka

That reminds me of one of the biggest dangers in BikeNY. Folks with
[censored] for brains (and I'm really trying to be nice) shove bottled water
into their cages, but they are too small and somewhere along the route
they fall out. Very bright.

The first time I rode BNY I took a water bottle, but it was one that
fit. That was the last time I took water. There are rest stops every
10 miles or so and they give out water bottles. So you put them in a
pack or something. Not a cage that they don't fit. Or you just drink
them at the rest stop and, well, hold your water.

We only stopped at one rest stop. It's May in NYC so the temperature
is not going to be over 70. How much water does anyone need for this?

You, on the other hand, are going to need water. Hmm. Perhaps you can
put a water bottle IN the frame. Quick, why can't you park your bike
anywhere near the US Open Tennis Championship in Flushing Meadows
Corona Park? Because security is afraid that someone will fit
explosives into the bike frame. So, there must be plenty of room for
water.

Just attach a tube to the bottom of the frame, down by the cranks, and
there you have it. The world's first camel frame.

Mon, 23 May 2005 15:21:21 -0400,
<[email hidden]>, dgk

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Quick, why can't you park your bike
anywhere near the US Open Tennis Championship in Flushing Meadows
Corona Park? Because security is afraid that someone will fit
explosives into the bike frame.

Your country makes me puke.
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zk

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Your country makes me puke.

The entire country makes you "puke" because of the paranoid fantasies of a
few security guards at a tennis game?

Cheto

Mon, 23 May 2005 13:41:06 -0700, <[email hidden]>,

Cheto said:

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Your country makes me puke.

The entire country makes you "puke" because of the paranoid fantasies of a
few security guards at a tennis game?

Yes.

It's a merely another symptom of the American epidemic that ignores
the real danger of automobiles and focuses on bicycles being a threat
simply because they're different.

The whole country is in a paranoid defensive mode while you're letting
your liberties be ripped from under your noses by a chicken-[censored]
administration.
--
zk