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  1. Now, here's one for the gear brigade: I was sent the first issue of the
    new science journal, Soft Matter, at work (presumably to get me lobbying
    my library to subscribe to it). It's not really my area of materials
    science, but I had a quick flick through before binning it and found a
    review paper by Mathilde Callies and David Quere from the College de
    France, Paris, titled "On water repellency". It was quite readable to
    someone not familiar with this science. If you have access to a
    university library with a subscription, you can get the article at
    http://www.rsc.org/Publishing/Journals/SM/article.asp?doi=b501657f
    (M Callies, D Quere; Soft Matter 1 (2005) 55).

    They describe how texturing the surface of a chemically hydrophobic
    (water repellent) material can make it superhydrophobic. For example,
    you need to tilt a teflon surface by 10-30 degrees before droplets
    run off, but if the same material is suitably textured, 1 degree tilt
    is sufficient.

    Hydrophobicity is measured in terms of the contact angle, ie the angle
    between the macroscopic surface of the material underneath the water
    drop and the tangent to the drop where its surface intersects with
    the material's surface. The bigger the contact angle, the closer the
    drop is to a spherical shape, ie the less it wets the material.

    They explain that making the surface rough can have two effects. The
    drop may fill up the roughness, which will increase the measured contact
    angle because some of the drop is actually below the material's surface
    as defined above (the macroscopic surface is what you get if you put
    a ruler across all the bumps in the rough surface).

    The other effect occurs if the drop does /not/ fill up the roughness
    but is supported only by the tops and ridges sticking out from the
    surface. Then, most of the drop is actually not in contact with the
    material at all but with air in the channels and pockets between the
    bits sticking out from the surface. Therefore, its shape is hardly
    affected by the material and remains close to spherical. This is the
    situation we want when out in the rain.

    The transition between the two states depends on (a) the chemical
    hydrophobicity of the material and (b) the radius of the droplets,
    which is why (a) water repellency needs to be restored by chemical
    treatment and (b) what works in heavy rain doesn't necessarily work
    in a fine spray.

    Water-repellent structures in nature often have a texture on two
    different length scales, which seems to work around the problem of
    the radius dependence, although it is not quantitatively understood
    yet how this works.

    Technological applications suffer as yet from the problem that carefully
    engineered surface textures tend not to be sufficiently robust.
    --
    Rudi Winter, Aberystwyth, Wales

  2. On 12/9/05 13:13, in article [email hidden], "Rudi

    Winter said:

    Now, here's one for the gear brigade:

    I think it is now time to find a dark room, sit myself down ...

    .... And die!

    --
    Andy Howell
    Birmingham, UK

    To mail simply put back the dots ...

  3. Andy Howell andy.howellNOSPAM@ecotrenddotorgdotuk said:

    On 12/9/05 13:13, in article [email hidden], "Rudi

    Winter said:

    Now, here's one for the gear brigade:

    I think it is now time to find a dark room, sit myself down ...

    ... And die!

    ;-)

    Err, well, I'm sorry, but I have to justify posting from work /somehow/!
    --
    Rudi Winter, Aberystwyth, Wales

  4. Yeah - I knew all that

    Well maybe
    ;-)

    "Rudi Winter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Now, here's one for the gear brigade: I was sent the first issue of the
    new science journal, Soft Matter, at work (presumably to get me lobbying
    my library to subscribe to it). It's not really my area of materials
    science, but I had a quick flick through before binning it and found a
    review paper by Mathilde Callies and David Quere from the College de
    France, Paris, titled "On water repellency". It was quite readable to
    someone not familiar with this science. If you have access to a
    university library with a subscription, you can get the article at
    http://www.rsc.org/Publishing/Journals/SM/article.asp?doi=b501657f
    (M Callies, D Quere; Soft Matter 1 (2005) 55).

    They describe how texturing the surface of a chemically hydrophobic
    (water repellent) material can make it superhydrophobic. For example,
    you need to tilt a teflon surface by 10-30 degrees before droplets
    run off, but if the same material is suitably textured, 1 degree tilt
    is sufficient.

    Hydrophobicity is measured in terms of the contact angle, ie the angle
    between the macroscopic surface of the material underneath the water
    drop and the tangent to the drop where its surface intersects with
    the material's surface. The bigger the contact angle, the closer the
    drop is to a spherical shape, ie the less it wets the material.

    They explain that making the surface rough can have two effects. The
    drop may fill up the roughness, which will increase the measured contact
    angle because some of the drop is actually below the material's surface
    as defined above (the macroscopic surface is what you get if you put
    a ruler across all the bumps in the rough surface).

    The other effect occurs if the drop does /not/ fill up the roughness
    but is supported only by the tops and ridges sticking out from the
    surface. Then, most of the drop is actually not in contact with the
    material at all but with air in the channels and pockets between the
    bits sticking out from the surface. Therefore, its shape is hardly
    affected by the material and remains close to spherical. This is the
    situation we want when out in the rain.

    The transition between the two states depends on (a) the chemical
    hydrophobicity of the material and (b) the radius of the droplets,
    which is why (a) water repellency needs to be restored by chemical
    treatment and (b) what works in heavy rain doesn't necessarily work
    in a fine spray.

    Water-repellent structures in nature often have a texture on two
    different length scales, which seems to work around the problem of
    the radius dependence, although it is not quantitatively understood
    yet how this works.

    Technological applications suffer as yet from the problem that carefully
    engineered surface textures tend not to be sufficiently robust.
    --
    Rudi Winter, Aberystwyth, Wales

  5. On 13/9/05 13:15, in article [email hidden], "Rudi

    Winter said:

    Err, well, I'm sorry, but I have to justify posting from work /somehow/!

    Well, that's about as good an excuse as I'm going to see here :-)

    --
    Andy Howell
    Birmingham, UK

    To mail simply put back the dots ...

  6. Bryan Hall said:

    Yeah - I knew all that

    Good on you - I didn't.

    Quoted message said:

    Well maybe
    ;-)

    Well not all of it anyway!
    ;-)
    --
    Rudi Winter, Aberystwyth, Wales

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