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  1. Joshua Putnam may have said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Surveying the collected bikes in the back yard, none of which are high-end (or even mid-level,
    for that matter), *not a single one* has a drain hole below the BB.

    Food for thought...though I agree that if the ability for water to get in is present, the
    facility for it to get out logically should also be present. I can't read the designers' minds,
    though, so I have no definitive answer as to why it appears that this is not the case or is not
    regarded as a problem.

    For the same reason almost no headsets or hubs are designed to hold up well in the rain -- bicycles
    are fashionable high-end toys to most buyers in the U.S., and they simply don't get ridden in the
    rain, so most of them aren't designed for it.

    The US Post Office used bicycles to deliver the mail for about 50 years IIRC. I used to see quite a
    few of them, and to the best of my recollection, none had any weather sealing on the head, and they
    were used and parked ourdoors (in swampy climates like Miami) continually. The lack of sealing
    didn't seem to be much of an issue there; I believe that because the amount of water which got into
    the bearings was small, and the water was able to drain out immediately, and because the speed of
    motion of the bearing was miniscule, simply having it well coated with grease was adequate to keep
    the failure rate to an acceptable level. The bottom brackets on those bikes were also unsealed, I
    should note, with relatively few resulting problems. Thus, it may be that the engineering decision
    was that sealing the assemblies added extra cost for little gain, and wasn't worthwhile.

    Current BB designs are mostly sealed on the outside at the very least, but the designers apparently
    regard the probability of water getting into the BB via the frame as being ignorably low. Someone
    with far more daily experience in current bike repair issues could address whether the record shows
    that water is causing a significant failure rate in that area, but I cannot confirm the existence of
    such a problem with my limited exposure. On the other hand, I've seen a few reports of head tubes
    that were so corroded inside that they couldn't be fitted with a 1 1/8" headset without reaming the
    crud out first...and still, they hadn't experienced a failure in the bearings. From all of that, I'd
    say that with rare exceptions, it looks like the bike designers know what they're doing, from a
    purely practical standpoint.

    --
    My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail. Yes, I have a killfile. If I
    don't respond to something, it's also possible that I'm busy.

  2. Quoted message said:

    How about shooting the frame full of expanding insulation foam? Perhaps a marine grade variant. It
    weighs next to nothing and is very cheap. It'll find all the cracks and holes to the outside and is
    easily trimmed away. It seems to me that if water has no place to go inside the frame then it can't
    collect there. Just a thought.

    Quoted message said:

    Tefl

    Drill a hole near the top of the seat tube, attach a high pressure fitting (be sure to seal it!) and
    connect it with a hose to the battery operated compressor on your back rack.

    As long as the pressure inside the frame exceeds the outside air pressure, nothing will get in!

    May you have the wind at your back. And a really low gear for the hills! Chris

    Chris'Z Corner "The Website for the Common Bicyclist": geocities.comczcorner

  3. genius...... pure genius

    "Chris Zacho "The Wheelman"" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    How about shooting the frame full of expanding insulation foam? Perhaps a marine grade variant.
    It weighs next to nothing and is very cheap. It'll find all the cracks and holes to the outside
    and is easily trimmed away. It seems to me that if water has no place to go inside the frame then
    it can't collect there. Just a thought.

    Quoted message said:

    Tefl

    Drill a hole near the top of the seat tube, attach a high pressure fitting (be sure to seal it!)
    and connect it with a hose to the battery operated compressor on your back rack.

    As long as the pressure inside the frame exceeds the outside air pressure, nothing will get in!

    May you have the wind at your back. And a really low gear for the hills! Chris

    Chris'Z Corner "The Website for the Common Bicyclist": geocities.comczcorner

  4. "Paul" <[email hidden]> top-posted in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    genius...... pure genius

    Umm, which idea?!?

    Bill "today's designated Quotation Nazi" S.

    Quoted message said:

    "Chris Zacho "The Wheelman"" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    How about shooting the frame full of expanding insulation foam? Perhaps a marine grade variant.
    It weighs next to nothing and is very cheap. It'll find all the cracks and holes to the outside
    and is easily trimmed away. It seems to me that if water has no place to go inside the frame
    then it can't collect there. Just a thought.

    Quoted message said:

    Tefl

    Drill a hole near the top of the seat tube, attach a high pressure fitting (be sure to seal it!)
    and connect it with a hose to the battery operated compressor on your back rack.

    As long as the pressure inside the frame exceeds the outside air pressure, nothing will get in!

    May you have the wind at your back. And a really low gear for the hills! Chris

    Chris'Z Corner "The Website for the Common Bicyclist": geocities.comczcorner


  5. "Chris Zacho "The Wheelman"" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Drill a hole near the top of the seat tube, attach a high pressure fitting (be sure to seal it!)
    and connect it with a hose to the battery operated compressor on your back rack.

    As long as the pressure inside the frame exceeds the outside air pressure, nothing will get in!

    Chris

    Yeah...if the frame were airtight, wouldn't that water-intake problem be already solved?

    Another guy named Chris

  6. In all seriousness, is your air pressure idea just a way to slap down my idea of using expanding
    foam inside the frame? If so, please try to explain just why filling the frame would be a bad idea.

    (Chris Zacho 'The Wheelman') said:
    (Chris) said:

    Yeah...if the frame were airtight, wouldn't that water-intake problem be already solved?

    Quoted message said:

    Another guy named Chris

    Which is why I suggested a compressor, instead if simply compressed air. Any "leaks" would have a
    contstant hiss of outgoing air. A natural barrier. ;-3)

    May you have the wind at your back. And a really low gear for the hills! Chris

    Chris'Z Corner "The Website for the Common Bicyclist": geocities.comczcorner

  7. Tefl said:

    In all seriousness, is your air pressure idea just a way to slap down my idea of using
    expanding foam inside the frame? If so, please try to explain just why filling the frame would
    be a bad idea.

    I don't know about him thinking it's a bad idea, but I think it's a great idea. It might even have a
    slight vibration-damping effect, and could conceivably help people with frame shimmy.

    However, IANA engineer.

    Anybody care to comment on that idea? I certainly don't know all of the phsyics involved.

    --
    Rick Onanian

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