Water Bladder

"spamfrog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I received yet another fleece for my birthday the other day so I'm

taking it

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back. I fancy getting a bladder that I can put into my rucksack. On

occasion

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I removed my trusty Sigg bottle from the sack to find that it

contains slush

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so I would like one that at least has an insulated tube.
I see the Source H2O has a 'weave' on the hose, will this do the

business ?

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The fleece receipt tells me I have up to £32 to spend.

Got the Source H20 with weave tube 2L size from Craigdon Mountain
Sports in Perth for £19.99 at Christmas. Used it on Kilimanjaro at
minus 16C without freezing up problems. I was advised to blow back
down the tube after drinking to stop the valve from freezing. It
certainly did the job though.

Mind you I also has a Sigg with me in an insulated sleeve and it did
not freeze or slush up either. Insulated pouches just £8

cheers
Graham

Graham Ingram said:

Got the Source H20 with weave tube 2L size from Craigdon
Mountain Sports in Perth for £19.99 at Christmas. Used
it on Kilimanjaro at minus 16C without freezing up
problems. I was advised to blow back down the tube after
drinking to stop the valve from freezing. It certainly
did the job though.

Mind you I also has a Sigg with me in an insulated sleeve
and it did not freeze or slush up either. Insulated
pouches just £8

cheers
Graham

Cheers. The fleece was bought in Nevis Sport Inverness so I hope they do the
H2O. I had thought about getting the tube and pouch for the Sigg but I like
the idea of having the two litre pouch for those longer walks.

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Muzz
reply to uglyduck NOT spamfrog

spamfrog said:

I received yet another fleece for my birthday the other day so I'm
taking it back. I fancy getting a bladder that I can put into my
rucksack. On occasion I removed my trusty Sigg bottle from the sack
to find that it contains slush so I would like one that at least has
an insulated tube.
I see the Source H2O has a 'weave' on the hose, will this do the
business ? The fleece receipt tells me I have up to £32 to spend.

Managed to freeze the water in the tube from my Camelbak this afternoon on
top of Pen-Y-Ghent - didn't seem that cold, but add the wind to it and it
was cold enough to freeze the water in the tube! Looking at getting
something to put it in to stop it doing that now..

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Chris Naylor said:

Managed to freeze the water in the tube from my Camelbak this afternoon on
top of Pen-Y-Ghent - didn't seem that cold, but add the wind to it and it
was cold enough to freeze the water in the tube!

Would the wind be a factor? I though wind chill was just a factor in
how cold *we* feel, whereas what matters for freezing your water is
air temperature.

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Managed to freeze the water in the tube from my Camelbak this afternoon on
top of Pen-Y-Ghent - didn't seem that cold, but add the wind to it and it
was cold enough to freeze the water in the tube! Looking at getting
something to put it in to stop it doing that now..

Except that wind chill only effects warm objects and the wind cannot
cool below ambient temperature unless the object is also wet on the
outside so that evaporation adds to the cooling.

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from "Chris Naylor" <[email hidden]> contains these words:

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Managed to freeze the water in the tube from my Camelbak this
afternoon on top of Pen-Y-Ghent - didn't seem that cold, but add the
wind to it and it was cold enough to freeze the water in the tube!
Looking at getting something to put it in to stop it doing that now..

Except that wind chill only effects warm objects and the wind cannot
cool below ambient temperature unless the object is also wet on the
outside so that evaporation adds to the cooling.

Must have been colder than I thought then!

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Chris Naylor said:

Must have been colder than I thought then!

Driving back from Scotland, the streams were frozen at valley level so
must have been quite cool!

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Well I ended up with the 2 litre platypus and the tube insulator. More
expensive than the H2O but I couldn't be bothered walking around the other
outdoor shops in Inverness :-)

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Muzz
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spamfrog said:

Well I ended up with the 2 litre platypus and the tube insulator. More
expensive than the H2O but I couldn't be bothered walking around the other
outdoor shops in Inverness :-)

As I mention in my TR of yesterday, it's not just the tube which is the
problem. The water in my platy had reached slush puppy consistency and I
had a large block of ice constricting the flow at the tube/platy join.
My winter rucksack holds the reservoir at one side. My smaller summer
sack (a Kimm25) has the reservoir down the back. In retrospect, both
would be better t'other way round.

druidh

druidh wrote:
The water in my platy had

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reached slush puppy consistency and I had a large block
of ice constricting the flow at the tube/platy join. > druidh

I was thinking about this last night. I'm on the lookout for some foam to
make a bag for it.

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Muzz
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spamfrog said:

druidh wrote:
The water in my platy had

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reached slush puppy consistency and I had a large block
of ice constricting the flow at the tube/platy join. > druidh

I was thinking about this last night. I'm on the lookout for some foam to
make a bag for it.

I've actually got an insulated carrier for my platy. They don't sell
this one anynore. It's a bit like the current holster only it takes the
2 litre platy. I've never tried it but will certainly be doing so next
time. I've even considered wearing it on my front, under my jacket, with
the tube existing out of the neck opening in an effort to stave of the
big freeze.

druidh

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druidh wrote:
The water in my platy had

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reached slush puppy consistency and I had a large block
of ice constricting the flow at the tube/platy join. > druidh

I was thinking about this last night. I'm on the lookout for some foam to
make a bag for it.

Are there any diving shops around your way? The stuff
wetsuits are made from (expanded foam neoprene) would probably
serve the purpose, and since you don't need very much of it
you may even be able to get offcuts for free.

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Fran said:

Are there any diving shops around your way? The stuff
wetsuits are made from (expanded foam neoprene) would
probably serve the purpose, and since you don't need very
much of it you may even be able to get offcuts for free.

Don't think there's any although my mates uncle is a diver. It's all a bit
too late now any way. Tomorrow I'm going down to Kintail to baptise my
platypus. Maybe my usual pich of salt and squirt of lemon in my drinking
water will help a bit. Off to check the weather forecast now.

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Muzz
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Darren G said:

I've always found that blowing the liquid back into the
bladder has kept it ice-free, although I do have the
advantage of having the pouch at the back of the pack so
body heat has probably helped somewhat too.

I used the blow back method you described and it worked. There was an
instance when I forgot to replace the bite valve in it's insulated holster
and I had to chew ice to get it going again but it worked all day. I
definately drunk more using the bladder too.

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Muzz
reply to uglyduck NOT spamfrog

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:57:46 -0000, "spamfrog"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

| Darren G wrote:
|
| >
| > I've always found that blowing the liquid back into the
| > bladder has kept it ice-free, although I do have the
| > advantage of having the pouch at the back of the pack so
| > body heat has probably helped somewhat too.
|
| I used the blow back method you described and it worked. There was an
| instance when I forgot to replace the bite valve in it's insulated holster
| and I had to chew ice to get it going again but it worked all day. I
| definately drunk more using the bladder too.

Quadruple Ugh.
You have put me off bladders forever.
Never did like the name anyway.
Long live the stainless steel insulated flask full of hot water.

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Dave F

Dave Fawthrop said:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:57:46 -0000, "spamfrog"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

| Darren G wrote:
|
| >
| > I've always found that blowing the liquid back into the
| > bladder has kept it ice-free, although I do have the
| > advantage of having the pouch at the back of the pack so
| > body heat has probably helped somewhat too.
|
| I used the blow back method you described and it worked. There was an
| instance when I forgot to replace the bite valve in it's insulated holster
| and I had to chew ice to get it going again but it worked all day. I
| definately drunk more using the bladder too.

Quadruple Ugh.
You have put me off bladders forever.
Never did like the name anyway.
Long live the stainless steel insulated flask full of hot water.

How much does that 2 litre flas weigh?

druidh

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:39:39 GMT, druidh <[email hidden]>
wrote:

| Dave Fawthrop wrote:
| > On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:57:46 -0000, "spamfrog"
| > <[email hidden]> wrote:
| >
| > | Darren G wrote:
| > |
| > | >
| > | > I've always found that blowing the liquid back into the
| > | > bladder has kept it ice-free, although I do have the
| > | > advantage of having the pouch at the back of the pack so
| > | > body heat has probably helped somewhat too.
| > |
| > | I used the blow back method you described and it worked. There was an
| > | instance when I forgot to replace the bite valve in it's insulated holster
| > | and I had to chew ice to get it going again but it worked all day. I
| > | definately drunk more using the bladder too.
| >
| > Quadruple Ugh.
| > You have put me off bladders forever.
| > Never did like the name anyway.
| > Long live the stainless steel insulated flask full of hot water.
| >
|
| How much does that 2 litre flas weigh?

How much is a nice cup of hot tea/coffee worth on the top of a cold
mountain.

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Dave F

Dave Fawthrop said:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:39:39 GMT, druidh <[email hidden]>
wrote:

| Dave Fawthrop wrote:
| > On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:57:46 -0000, "spamfrog"
| > <[email hidden]> wrote:
| >
| > | Darren G wrote:
| > |
| > | >
| > | > I've always found that blowing the liquid back into the
| > | > bladder has kept it ice-free, although I do have the
| > | > advantage of having the pouch at the back of the pack so
| > | > body heat has probably helped somewhat too.
| > |
| > | I used the blow back method you described and it worked. There was an
| > | instance when I forgot to replace the bite valve in it's insulated holster
| > | and I had to chew ice to get it going again but it worked all day. I
| > | definately drunk more using the bladder too.
| >
| > Quadruple Ugh.
| > You have put me off bladders forever.
| > Never did like the name anyway.
| > Long live the stainless steel insulated flask full of hot water.
| >
|
| How much does that 2 litre flas weigh?

How much is a nice cup of hot tea/coffee worth on the top of a cold
mountain.

I find a 1 litre steel flask of coffee just right for 2 people for 1
day. I don't know what it weighs, but I like to travel with minimal
weight and it's never bothered me. I'm always baffled anyway by the
quantity of stuff other people carry!
I've never seen very much point in bladders - if I want to carry water
then small plastic bottles left over from school packed lunches do the
job, and they cost nothing, are hygienic and problem-free.

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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:24:15 +0000, Rooney <[email hidden]> wrote:

| I find a 1 litre steel flask of coffee just right for 2 people for 1
| day.

I carry 3/4 liter filled with hot water for one person one day.
With Tea/Coffee bags and coffeemate fresh tea/coffee every time beats the
same stored in a flask any day

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Dave F