Water

Dave said:

I'm a beginner and I was wondering what you guys do with regards hydration
when running. Do you carry a water bottle with you when training (for, say,
45 minutes)? If you do, where do you keep it?

Unless it's really hot (70F in Alaska), I don't bother with a bottle for
runs less than about 1 hr (or I'm exploring on a shorter run and
anticipate getting lost and being out longer than intended). I'm also
not a heavy sweater. In warmer climates, heavy sweaters may need fluids
for 45 min.

When I use a bottle, I'll usually use a 24 oz bottle in a UD Strider
waist pack. That might get me out to 1.5 hr in summer, 2 hr in winter.
With waistpacks, I find the diagonal bottle holders work better and are
more likely to fit in small of back. I've not tried the horizontal ones.

Others use 1 or 2 handhelds. Some use waist-mounted hydration bladders.

Longer, I use a backpack-style hydration bladder pack (camelbak
Cloudwalker or Lobo) that will also carry gear.

Others here that are heavy sweaters in warm temperatures go through
waaaay more fluids than I and carry more.

Everyone has to experiment with what works for them since hydration
issues and how to carry water are at least as individual as shoe fitting.

Good luck.

Dot

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< 90 mins I don't normaly carry water but over that I use me camel back
thingy. It's like a small rucksack with a 1.5ltr bladder inside

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Quoted message said:

I'm a beginner and I was wondering what you guys do with regards hydration
when running. Do you carry a water bottle with you when training (for,
say, 45 minutes)? If you do, where do you keep it?

If I've run for more than an hour and a half I have a drink when I get home.
Otherwise, I get over-hydrated. No one needs to carry water with them - you
can go for 3 days without drinking.

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Dave said:

I'm a beginner and I was wondering what you guys do with regards hydration
when running. Do you carry a water bottle with you when training (for, say,
45 minutes)? If you do, where do you keep it?

If you're already adequately hydrated, then you probably don't need
water on the run for a 45ish minute run. You'll know you're adequately
hydrated when your urine is a pale yellow to clear.

For me, barring extreme weather (hot and humid), I don't carry water
for runs under about 60 minutes. If it's extreme (by my standards)
then I do for runs even as short as 30.

The thing to keep an eye on, as to whether you need water on the run
(or at all), is whether you keep an even pace on the run (if you're
adequatly hydrating, you should), and how quickly you recover from the
run (if you get enough during and after, you should be fine fairly
promptly). I ignored the recovery aspect my first couple years of
running 60-90 minutes in hot and humid conditions. While I finished,
and even held pace, my recovery from those runs was terrible (3 days
before I felt ok running, vs. next day ok if I hydrated properly).
And that was with substantial post-run hydration. Staying hydrated
during the run, versus waiting for the finish, makes a big difference
for me even when the finish line is my kitchen.

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Geoff Pearson said:

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Quoted message said:

I'm a beginner and I was wondering what you guys do with regards hydration
when running. Do you carry a water bottle with you when training (for,
say, 45 minutes)? If you do, where do you keep it?

If I've run for more than an hour and a half I have a drink when I get home.
Otherwise, I get over-hydrated. No one needs to carry water with them - you
can go for 3 days without drinking.

Hmm not a good plan in the Daraboud me thinks.

But seriously I'd build up over a period of time to running for an hour
without then when you do a 10K and get perhaps a half cup at 5K you'll
be quids in.

ANother alternative to note the location of public drinking
fountains in parks, corner stores etc. Works in a few places.

Dave said:

I'm a beginner and I was wondering what you guys do with regards hydration
when running. Do you carry a water bottle with you when training (for, say,
45 minutes)? If you do, where do you keep it?

I don't carry a drink for anything under at least 60min and in cool
weather maybe even 1h30. I do however drink about 300ml routinely before
runs and often 5ooml in warm weather. If carrying drink I use a camelbak
waistpack. I sweat too much for a backpack. I find the waistpack very
comfortable to wear.

It is my opinion that as in other stresses it is possible to toughen the
body to slight dehydration. If you do all your runs with water then you
never allow your body to adapt. It may be true under race conditions
that hydration affects performance but studies which show this do not
include hydration practices during training. If you train to run whilst
slightly dehydrated sometimes then maybe you will be even better on race
day?

When I started running as a teenager I lived in Auckland, NZ which is
subtropical, warm and humid. I never carried water and had access en
route only on long runs and I used water mainly to cool down rather than
to drink. It was not uncommon on Sunday morning runs in hot weather for
people washing their cars to offer to turn their hoses on you. I always
accepted ;-)

Peter
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Geoff Pearson said:

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Quoted message said:

I'm a beginner and I was wondering what you guys do with regards hydration
when running. Do you carry a water bottle with you when training (for,
say, 45 minutes)? If you do, where do you keep it?

If I've run for more than an hour and a half I have a drink when I get home.
Otherwise, I get over-hydrated. No one needs to carry water with them - you
can go for 3 days without drinking.

Not and perform well while exercising unless you are eating wet foods
that are not too savoury or salty.

Peter
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rick++ said:

ANother alternative to note the location of public drinking
fountains in parks, corner stores etc. Works in a few places.

Don't forget petrol(gas) stations. Some have hoses for filing radiators
that give perfectly drinkable water. I remember once getting through a
spontaneous 25miler by using that one at about 8miles.

Peter
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Dave said:

I'm a beginner and I was wondering what you guys do with regards hydration
when running. Do you carry a water bottle with you when training (for, say,
45 minutes)? If you do, where do you keep it?

In my [censored].

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:35:42 GMT, [email hidden] (Peter

Ashby) said:

Don't forget petrol(gas) stations. Some have hoses for filing radiators
that give perfectly drinkable water. I remember once getting through a
spontaneous 25miler by using that one at about 8miles.

Peter

No stupidass, it is NOT safe drinking water if it goes through a hose.
Hoses give off nasty [censored]. Ever notice that plastic taste?

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:33:14 GMT, [email hidden] (Peter

Ashby) said:

Not and perform well while exercising unless you are eating wet foods
that are not too savoury or salty.

You are really a dipshit, you know that? A trained runner doesn't need
water for a run of an hour or less, unless it's very hot.

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Quoted message said:

I'm a beginner and I was wondering what you guys do with regards
hydration when running. Do you carry a water bottle with you when
training (for, say, 45 minutes)? If you do, where do you keep it?

Personally, I always carry a liter bottle with 1 scoop of tang and 1/4 tspn
of salt mixed in. Small enough to hold, with a top that's easy to take a
swig from every 5 minutes.

Do you actually need water for 45 minutes? Not likely unless it's very
humid and hot outside. Still, why dehydrate yourself. Unless there's a
valid study that says dehydrating yourself while you train is beneficial.

I believe there was a study done for people doing 10k runs. One group
didn't drink anything, one drank water, and one group drank gatorade
equivalent. The group that drank the gatorade equivalent throughout the run
did markably better. If I find the reference for the study I'll post it if
I feel like it.

Later,

Nuke

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Quoted message said:

Dave said:

I'm a beginner and I was wondering what you guys do with regards
hydration when running. Do you carry a water bottle with you when
training (for, say, 45 minutes)? If you do, where do you keep it?

For a 45 minute run, I just take a big drink of water right before
starting. The stomach is a built-in water carrier, can hold most of
a quart, and is pretty close to your center of gravity. (I'm in
south Florida -- with 80+ degrees in the early morning much of the
year.)

Quoted message said:

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:33:14 GMT, [email hidden] (Peter

Ashby) said:

Not and perform well while exercising unless you are eating wet foods
that are not too savoury or salty.

You are really a dipshit, you know that? A trained runner doesn't need
water for a run of an hour or less, unless it's very hot.

After not drinking for 3days? What is it with you and snipping things
that change the whole context? Or maybe you have some inability to
follow an argument.

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Quoted message said:

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:35:42 GMT, [email hidden] (Peter

Ashby) said:

Don't forget petrol(gas) stations. Some have hoses for filing radiators
that give perfectly drinkable water. I remember once getting through a
spontaneous 25miler by using that one at about 8miles.

Peter

No stupidass, it is NOT safe drinking water if it goes through a hose.
Hoses give off nasty [censored]. Ever notice that plastic taste?

Gee and here was me living for 5 years in a house with a plastic water
main, what can the council and the water authority have been
thinking?????? Or maybe over the pond you make hoses out of nasty
materials, that would explain some things....

Peter
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Steve Hansen said:

The stomach is a built-in water carrier, can hold most of
a quart

Hey dumbass, that is all wasted except for about 8 ounces, the rest is
[censored] out, and normally your stomach shuts down on hard runs, and
you'll [censored] out all of it. The body can only absorb about 8ozs per 20
minutes.

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 07:49:53 GMT, [email hidden] (Peter

Ashby) said:

After not drinking for 3days?

Now why would anybody be so stupid as to not drink for 3 days? That's
suicide.

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 07:52:29 GMT, [email hidden] (Peter

Ashby) said:

Gee and here was me living for 5 years in a house with a plastic water
main,

Get an education. That plastic is designed to carry drinking water,
garden hoses, or mechanics hoses are not. Can you grasp that simple
concept?
Google it.