Was I ripped

toochi said:

Haya guys and gals,

I have a question. I'm an x-enthusiast(sp) and sold my bike a while ago. After 2 years of no
exercise I'm about to get a new bike.

I need no help in that but I have a question. I sold my bike like I said to a shop over in the
bellaire area (of houston) for 150 bucks and I'm wondering if I got ripped. That included
everything I had, shoes etc. The bike was a trek 9800 with manatue (sp) spyder shocks, rapid fire
shift and v-brakes(forgot all the names of these things). The bike had fairly new hubs. The crank
was creaking but that's no biggie. It was a nice bike, or so I thought. This was the only place in
houston that would buy back bikes and was told I had to get rid of it. (long story) When I showed
the bike to the owner he turned it over and a little further up from the crank( I forgot the name
but it's the thing that goes throught the bike to the two crank arms) he said there was a little
crack. Looked like a chip to me but I had no choice. I put that bike togeather and those shocks
were 300bucks at least and he gave me 150 bucks for it and that included all the xt add ons etc. I
got ripped huh?

That trek was badass, but now I need something I can ride on/offroad and comfortably. I'm not
scared to put a bike togeather but I have a budget of under 200$ for the entire bike. Anyone know
where to buy cheap or used parts?

Sorry for the long rant but I miss that trek. I believed the guy about the crack at the time
because I had a particularly hard crash which bent the front tire really bad and knocked me clean
out. Cracked my helmet and tore a huge piece of the styrophome out also. I had heard that the
carbon fiber frames can crack but now I look back on it and think that if it cracked it would be
around the head (under handlebars) or under the seat right? I really don't know but I'm suspicious
of that place now.

Anyway, thanks for any replies.

I'm not sure if you got ripped or not but I do have some advice. Get the Hell out of Houston! That
city is the most miserable place in the country.

somehow, deep down I know your right. I'd be out of here but I have to finish school so I have a job
wherever I go too.

Ho chi min trail ain't that bad though. I'm curious where your hate for houston comes from?

"Tristan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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toochi said:

Haya guys and gals,

I have a question. I'm an x-enthusiast(sp) and sold my bike a while ago. After 2 years of no
exercise I'm about to get a new bike.

I need no help in that but I have a question. I sold my bike like I

said to

Quoted message said:

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a shop over in the bellaire area (of houston) for 150 bucks and I'm wondering if I got ripped.
That included everything I had, shoes etc.

The

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bike was a trek 9800 with manatue (sp) spyder shocks, rapid fire shift

and

Quoted message said:

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v-brakes(forgot all the names of these things). The bike had fairly new hubs. The crank was
creaking but that's no biggie. It was a nice bike,

or

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so I thought. This was the only place in houston that would buy back

bikes

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and was told I had to get rid of it. (long story) When I showed the

bike to

Quoted message said:

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the owner he turned it over and a little further up from the crank( I

forgot

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the name but it's the thing that goes throught the bike to the two crank arms) he said there was
a little crack. Looked like a chip to me but I

had

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no choice. I put that bike togeather and those shocks were 300bucks at least and he gave me 150
bucks for it and that included all the xt add

ons

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etc. I got ripped huh?

That trek was badass, but now I need something I can ride on/offroad and comfortably. I'm not
scared to put a bike togeather but I have a budget

of

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under 200$ for the entire bike. Anyone know where to buy cheap or used parts?

Sorry for the long rant but I miss that trek. I believed the guy about

the

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crack at the time because I had a particularly hard crash which bent the front tire really bad
and knocked me clean out. Cracked my helmet and

tore a

Quoted message said:

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huge piece of the styrophome out also. I had heard that the carbon

fiber

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frames can crack but now I look back on it and think that if it cracked

it

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would be around the head (under handlebars) or under the seat right? I really don't know but I'm
suspicious of that place now.

Anyway, thanks for any replies.

I'm not sure if you got ripped or not but I do have some advice. Get the Hell out of Houston! That
city is the most miserable place in the country.

toochi said:

the name but it's the thing that goes throught the bike to the two crank arms) he said there was a
little crack.

Sounds like the bottom bracket, which isn't part of the frame. That's replaceable.

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least and he gave me 150 bucks for it and that included all the xt add ons etc. I got ripped huh?

No doubt. Here's somebody selling one for $900: mtexpress.com512.htmOpen ↗

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That trek was badass, but now I need something I can ride on/offroad and comfortably. I'm not
scared to put a bike togeather but I have a budget of under 200$ for the entire bike.

So lemme get this straight - you sold a high-end bike (that originally listed for $2000 and had a
lifetime warranty) for $150, and now you want to piece together some junk bike for $200?

Well, try the classifieds I guess. There is also a classified section in mtbr.com. Maybe you'll get
lucky and find a bike that originally sold for
1/4 the price of the one you just unloaded, for only $50 more than what you got.

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I had heard that the carbon fiber frames can crack but now I look back on it and think that if it
cracked it would be around the head (under handlebars) or under the seat right? I really don't
know but I'm suspicious of that place now.

You should be more than suspicious. At least they should have asked you if you tried to get that
crack covered under warranty.

I've done some quite horrible things with my 9800 over the years; its been slammed into rocks and
joined me in crashes that have cause ME a fair amount of damage. Bikeworld.com used to have an
article about a tour that they took through the Trek factory - the guys at the factory gave them a
sledgehammer and asked them to try to break a section of OCLV; they couldn't. It takes a lot to
break one of these frames. The clearcoat did chip pretty badly, though - and that might have been
what the LBS used to dupe you into thinking you had a bad frame.

--
-BB- To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)

Houston's a great city, lived there for 5 years, anything you want, anytime you want it, very
reasonable cost of living, abundance of jobs, nice climate, and friendly people. After you've been
there a while you learn how to avoid the traffic problems.

"toochi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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somehow, deep down I know your right. I'd be out of here but I have to finish school so I have a
job wherever I go too.

Ho chi min trail ain't that bad though. I'm curious where your hate for houston comes from?

"Tristan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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toochi said:

Haya guys and gals,

I have a question. I'm an x-enthusiast(sp) and sold my bike a while

ago.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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After 2 years of no exercise I'm about to get a new bike.

I need no help in that but I have a question. I sold my bike like I

said to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

a shop over in the bellaire area (of houston) for 150 bucks and I'm wondering if I got ripped.
That included everything I had, shoes etc.

The

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

bike was a trek 9800 with manatue (sp) spyder shocks, rapid fire shift

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

v-brakes(forgot all the names of these things). The bike had fairly

new

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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hubs. The crank was creaking but that's no biggie. It was a nice

bike,

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or

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so I thought. This was the only place in houston that would buy back

bikes

Quoted message said:

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and was told I had to get rid of it. (long story) When I showed the

bike to

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the owner he turned it over and a little further up from the crank( I

forgot

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the name but it's the thing that goes throught the bike to the two

crank

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arms) he said there was a little crack. Looked like a chip to me but I

had

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no choice. I put that bike togeather and those shocks were 300bucks

at

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least and he gave me 150 bucks for it and that included all the xt add

ons

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etc. I got ripped huh?

That trek was badass, but now I need something I can ride on/offroad

and

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comfortably. I'm not scared to put a bike togeather but I have a

budget

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of

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under 200$ for the entire bike. Anyone know where to buy cheap or

used

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parts?

Sorry for the long rant but I miss that trek. I believed the guy

about

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the

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crack at the time because I had a particularly hard crash which bent

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

front tire really bad and knocked me clean out. Cracked my helmet and

tore a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

huge piece of the styrophome out also. I had heard that the carbon

fiber

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frames can crack but now I look back on it and think that if it

cracked

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it

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would be around the head (under handlebars) or under the seat right?

I

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really don't know but I'm suspicious of that place now.

Anyway, thanks for any replies.

I'm not sure if you got ripped or not but I do have some advice. Get the Hell out of Houston!
That city is the most miserable place in the country.

toochi said:

somehow, deep down I know your right. I'd be out of here but I have to finish school so I have a
job wherever I go too.

Ho chi min trail ain't that bad though. I'm curious where your hate for houston comes from?

I lived in that place for 20 years. In fact, I went to Bellaire High. The weather is terrible,
mosquitos the size of small birds, and above all.... the humidity. I almost forgot, it's flat, flat,
flat! I don't hate Houston, the people are great, but there are more liveable cities in Texas.
Austin is great!

BTW: Did I mention the humidity?

Derral said:

Houston's a great city, lived there for 5 years, anything you want, anytime you want it, very
reasonable cost of living, abundance of jobs, nice climate, and friendly people. After you've been
there a while you learn how to avoid the traffic problems.

"Nice climate?"

--
--
Lynn Wallace xmission.com~lawallOpen ↗ "I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we
could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in
charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

"Friendly people???"

I moved my family and myself to Kansas City about two years ago after twenty-one Glorious years
in Houston.

The climate sucks. The pollution is so bad that you have to watch the news in the morning to see if
your kids can play outside. Personal automobiles are hammered for emmissions, yet every petro-chem
plant know to man is grandfathered without penalty (and who said that political donations didn't
come with strings...) The people there can be friendly, But children come up missing there, EVERY
DAY!, the crime rate sucks. And from mid April to the first part of Novenmber, the humidity is so
bad that right after you shower in the morning and head out to your car, you're soggy and sweating
before you reach it.

I was with a fire department and EMS service in the northwest part of Houston... I got to see lots
of little nasties that maybe most folks don't... so maybe I'm jaded. But the taste in my mouth was
so bad there, that I'll never go back even to visit.

Oh, and it's F-L-A-T-!-!-!

I now live where there are hills galore. Where fountains and statuary abound. The people here are
wonderful!!! The weather is great, although a few more tornadoes this year.. (hmmm.). All in all,
heaven compared to Houston.

Don't get me wrong.. Houston has it's good points... but it's gotten to the point where they are
outweighed by the crime and grime.

(and I didn't even mention fire ants and killer bees.. LMAO)

Danny

"Raptor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Derral said:

Houston's a great city, lived there for 5 years, anything you want,

anytime

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you want it, very reasonable cost of living, abundance of jobs, nice climate, and friendly
people. After you've been there a while you

learn

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how to avoid the traffic problems.

"Nice climate?"

--
--
Lynn Wallace xmission.com~lawallOpen ↗ "I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we
could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP
in charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

My last year there the coldest day was 31 degrees, that's a pretty good climate in my opinion. Our
cut-off temp for bike riding was 50 degrees. Mowing grass in January beats shoveling snow any day.
I'll admit that July, August and early September can be uncomfortable because of the humidity, but I
can handle it much better than 5-10 degrees in January and February with a 20-30mph north wind.

"Raptor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Derral said:

Houston's a great city, lived there for 5 years, anything you want,

anytime

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

you want it, very reasonable cost of living, abundance of jobs, nice climate, and friendly
people. After you've been there a while you

learn

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

how to avoid the traffic problems.

"Nice climate?"

--
--
Lynn Wallace xmission.com~lawallOpen ↗ "I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we
could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP
in charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

"toochi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Haya guys and gals,

I have a question. I'm an x-enthusiast(sp) and sold my bike a while ago. After 2 years of no
exercise I'm about to get a new bike.

I need no help in that but I have a question. I sold my bike like I said

to

Quoted message said:

a shop over in the bellaire area (of houston) for 150 bucks and I'm wondering if I got ripped.
That included everything I had, shoes etc.

The

Quoted message said:

bike was a trek 9800 with manatue (sp) spyder shocks, rapid fire shift and v-brakes(forgot all the
names of these things). The bike had fairly new hubs. The crank was creaking but that's no biggie.
It was a nice bike,

or

Quoted message said:

so I thought. This was the only place in houston that would buy back

bikes

Quoted message said:

and was told I had to get rid of it. (long story) When I showed the bike

to

Quoted message said:

the owner he turned it over and a little further up from the crank( I

forgot

Quoted message said:

the name but it's the thing that goes throught the bike to the two crank arms) he said there was a
little crack. Looked like a chip to me but I had no choice. I put that bike togeather and those
shocks were 300bucks at least and he gave me 150 bucks for it and that included all the xt add ons
etc. I got ripped huh?

That trek was badass, but now I need something I can ride on/offroad and comfortably. I'm not
scared to put a bike togeather but I have a budget

of

Quoted message said:

under 200$ for the entire bike. Anyone know where to buy cheap or used parts?

Sorry for the long rant but I miss that trek. I believed the guy about

the

Quoted message said:

crack at the time because I had a particularly hard crash which bent the front tire really bad and
knocked me clean out. Cracked my helmet and tore

a

Quoted message said:

huge piece of the styrophome out also. I had heard that the carbon fiber frames can crack but now
I look back on it and think that if it cracked it would be around the head (under handlebars) or
under the seat right? I really don't know but I'm suspicious of that place now.

Anyway, thanks for any replies.

Yeah, you must have been ripped... To sell a bike like that for $150.00, you had to have been
drunk or high.

What difference does it make at this point. The time to be asking is before you decide to make
a bad deal.

Tristan <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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toochi said:

somehow, deep down I know your right. I'd be out of here but I have to finish school so I have a
job wherever I go too.

Ho chi min trail ain't that bad though. I'm curious where your hate for houston comes from?

I lived in that place for 20 years. In fact, I went to Bellaire High. The weather is terrible,
mosquitos the size of small birds, and above all.... the humidity. I almost forgot, it's flat,
flat, flat! I don't hate Houston, the people are great, but there are more liveable cities in
Texas. Austin is great!

BTW: Did I mention the humidity?

I lived in Austin prior to Houston. Austin is overrated. The humidity is a whole 10% average lower.
The bugs are almost as abundant. The weather to me in Houston is better -- those yearly ice storms
in Austin sucked. Plus Austin is usually hotter in the summer. A long time ago Austin was a nice,
laid-back artsy town. Now it's just an oversized college town that grew too fast, with most of the
big city problems but few of the big city amenities. The only significant advantage it has over
Houston is outdoor recreation. At least in Houston I can get a lower cost of living, a great
restaurant scene, top-notch arts and culture, a more diverse, international and sophisticated
population, and a larger variety of just about everything.

Raptor <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Derral said:

Houston's a great city, lived there for 5 years, anything you want, anytime you want it, very
reasonable cost of living, abundance of jobs, nice climate, and friendly people. After you've
been there a while you learn how to avoid the traffic problems.

"Nice climate?"

3-4 months out of the year are very hot. But the rest of the year is usually quite nice.

"Danny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Friendly people???"

I moved my family and myself to Kansas City about two years ago after twenty-one Glorious years in
Houston.

The climate sucks.

Once again -- it's hot/humid 3-4 months out of the year. But the rest of the year is usually nice
for outdoor recreation, and no ice/snow.

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The pollution is so bad that you have to watch the news in the morning to see if your kids can
play outside.

Ridiculous. Maybe a few months out of the year at the most, and more so in the east side areas.

Quoted message said:

Personal automobiles are hammered for emmissions, yet every petro-chem plant know to man is
grandfathered without penalty (and who said that political donations didn't come with strings...)

This is a problem. But again, most of these are on the east side.

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The people there can be friendly, But children come up missing there, EVERY DAY!, the crime
rate sucks.

Maybe 20 years ago! But not present day. Houston actually just made a list for the safest large US
cities along with San Francisco and Honolulu. Dallas, Atlanta, Orlando, Tampa, and tons of others
all have much higher crime rates. Check some stats.

Quoted message said:

And from mid April to the first part of Novenmber, the humidity is so bad that right after you
shower in the morning and head out to your car, you're soggy and sweating before you reach it.

It is humid just like New Orleans and Miami... but that's what often happens living near the coast.
It also means milder temperatures, especially in winter.

Quoted message said:

I was with a fire department and EMS service in the northwest part of Houston... I got to see lots
of little nasties that maybe most folks don't... so maybe I'm jaded.

Obviously...

Quoted message said:

But the taste in my mouth was so bad there, that I'll never go back even to visit.

Oh, and it's F-L-A-T-!-!-!

So are lots of other nice cities...

Quoted message said:

I now live where there are hills galore. Where fountains and statuary abound. The people here are
wonderful!!! The weather is great, although a few more tornadoes this year.. (hmmm.). All in all,
heaven compared to Houston.

The amenities in KC are nothing (i.e. restaurant scene, arts/culture and museums, etc.) in
comparison. But if those aren't important to you...

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Don't get me wrong.. Houston has it's good points... but it's gotten to the point where they are
outweighed by the crime and grime.

Once again... you're jaded. Need to check some crime stats.

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(and I didn't even mention fire ants and killer bees.. LMAO)

I've never heard of or seen killer bees in this area... only in south Texas. Fire ants? They must be
getting them under control because there is lots of wildlife just in my neighborhood (like rabbits)
that don't survive well when there's a fire ant problem.

Hmmm... I'll just accept that we see things differently with regard to Houston... but I'll take
exception to a couple of things..

1. It's hot 6-8 months of the year. and muggy ALL of it. A lot of humidity can make a little heat
go a long way.
2. The art and culture scene in KC is much more alive than in Houston. And it shows all
over the city.

Houston is a great place for some folks.. I just don't happen to be one of them. Been there, done
that, not interested in a repeat.

I DO, however, wish that I had the accessability to the deals that abound in Houston. If a guy's
willing to do the legwork, you can find just about anything for a great price. (you wouldn't believe
some of the great things we found in the wharehouses at NASA, while looking at auction goods, or the
CHEAP technology things that could be had).

As I said, I lived there over twenty years.. just had my fill is all. My favorite thing about KC are
the hills... I cannot believe how much I missed them. (Almost as much as the mountains of southern
Arizona.. but my wife has said that she will never live there.. sigh LOL).

At any rate.. Enjoy Houston.

Danny

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"Friendly people???"

I moved my family and myself to Kansas City about two years ago after twenty-one Glorious years
in Houston.

The climate sucks.

Once again -- it's hot/humid 3-4 months out of the year. But the rest of the year is usually nice
for outdoor recreation, and no ice/snow.

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The pollution is so bad that you have to watch the news in the morning

to

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see if your kids can play outside.

Ridiculous. Maybe a few months out of the year at the most, and more so in the east side areas.

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Personal automobiles are hammered for emmissions, yet every petro-chem

plant

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know to man is grandfathered without penalty (and who said that

political

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donations didn't come with strings...)

This is a problem. But again, most of these are on the east side.

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The people there can be friendly, But children come up missing there,

EVERY

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DAY!, the crime rate sucks.

Maybe 20 years ago! But not present day. Houston actually just made a list for the safest large US
cities along with San Francisco and Honolulu. Dallas, Atlanta, Orlando, Tampa, and tons of others
all have much higher crime rates. Check some stats.

Quoted message said:

And from mid April to the first part of Novenmber, the humidity is so

bad

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that right after you shower in the morning and head out to your car,

you're

Quoted message said:

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soggy and sweating before you reach it.

It is humid just like New Orleans and Miami... but that's what often happens living near the
coast. It also means milder temperatures, especially in winter.

Quoted message said:

I was with a fire department and EMS service in the northwest part of Houston... I got to see
lots of little nasties that maybe most folks don't... so maybe I'm jaded.

Obviously...

Quoted message said:

But the taste in my mouth was so bad there, that I'll never go back even to visit.

Oh, and it's F-L-A-T-!-!-!

So are lots of other nice cities...

Quoted message said:

I now live where there are hills galore. Where fountains and statuary abound. The people here
are wonderful!!! The weather is great,

although a

Quoted message said:

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few more tornadoes this year.. (hmmm.). All in all, heaven compared to Houston.

The amenities in KC are nothing (i.e. restaurant scene, arts/culture and museums, etc.) in
comparison. But if those aren't important to you...

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Don't get me wrong.. Houston has it's good points... but it's gotten

to

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the point where they are outweighed by the crime and grime.

Once again... you're jaded. Need to check some crime stats.

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(and I didn't even mention fire ants and killer bees.. LMAO)

I've never heard of or seen killer bees in this area... only in south Texas. Fire ants? They must
be getting them under control because there is lots of wildlife just in my neighborhood (like
rabbits) that don't survive well when there's a fire ant problem.

jjp said:

Tristan <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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toochi said:

somehow, deep down I know your right. I'd be out of here but I have to finish school so I have a
job wherever I go too.

Ho chi min trail ain't that bad though. I'm curious where your hate for houston comes from?

I lived in that place for 20 years. In fact, I went to Bellaire High. The weather is terrible,
mosquitos the size of small birds, and above all.... the humidity. I almost forgot, it's flat,
flat, flat! I don't hate Houston, the people are great, but there are more liveable cities in
Texas. Austin is great!

BTW: Did I mention the humidity?

I lived in Austin prior to Houston. Austin is overrated. The humidity is a whole 10% average
lower. The bugs are almost as abundant. The weather to me in Houston is better -- those yearly ice
storms in Austin sucked. Plus Austin is usually hotter in the summer. A long time ago Austin was a
nice, laid-back artsy town. Now it's just an oversized college town that grew too fast, with most
of the big city problems but few of the big city amenities. The only significant advantage it has
over Houston is outdoor recreation. At least in Houston I can get a lower cost of living, a great
restaurant scene, top-notch arts and culture, a more diverse, international and sophisticated
population, and a larger variety of just about everything.

Obviously, you're not talking about Austin, TX. How's the mountain biking in Houston? Those 20 ft.
climbs are really challenging. If you like Houston, great. Someone has to live there.......I'm glad
it's not me.

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>somehow, deep down I know your right. I'd be out of here but I have to finish school so I have
>a job wherever I go too.
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>Ho chi min trail ain't that bad though. I'm curious where your hate for houston comes from?
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I lived in that place for 20 years. In fact, I went to Bellaire High. The weather is terrible,
mosquitos the size of small birds, and above all.... the humidity. I almost forgot, it's flat,
flat, flat! I don't hate Houston, the people are great, but there are more liveable cities in
Texas. Austin is great!

BTW: Did I mention the humidity?

I lived in Austin prior to Houston. Austin is overrated. The humidity is a whole 10% average
lower. The bugs are almost as abundant. The weather to me in Houston is better -- those yearly
ice storms in Austin sucked. Plus Austin is usually hotter in the summer. A long time ago Austin
was a nice, laid-back artsy town. Now it's just an oversized college town that grew too fast,
with most of the big city problems but few of the big city amenities. The only significant
advantage it has over Houston is outdoor recreation. At least in Houston I can get a lower cost
of living, a great restaurant scene, top-notch arts and culture, a more diverse, international
and sophisticated population, and a larger variety of just about everything.

Obviously, you're not talking about Austin, TX.

Oh, yes I am. Lived there throughout the 90's. Outside of outdoor recreation and some music
festivals, the place is overrated.

Again.. it depends entirely upon perspective. I guess attitude in general is most important to me..
the attitudes that I found in Austin, and in San Antonio, (and even in Shamrock where I lived for a
bit), was/is MUCH better than that in Houston.

I don't suffer [censored] well.. and it abounds in Houston... But then again, I'm sure that a pile or
two of it is mine.
:-)

Danny

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>>somehow, deep down I know your right. I'd be out of here but I have

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>>finish school so I have a job wherever I go too.
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>>Ho chi min trail ain't that bad though. I'm curious where your hate for houston comes from?
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>I lived in that place for 20 years. In fact, I went to Bellaire High. The weather is terrible,
>mosquitos the size of small birds, and above all.... the humidity. I almost forgot, it's flat,
>flat, flat! I

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>hate Houston, the people are great, but there are more liveable cities in Texas. Austin is
>great!
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>BTW: Did I mention the humidity?

I lived in Austin prior to Houston. Austin is overrated. The humidity is a whole 10% average
lower. The bugs are almost as abundant. The weather to me in Houston is better -- those yearly
ice storms in Austin sucked. Plus Austin is usually hotter in the summer. A long time ago
Austin was a nice, laid-back artsy town. Now it's just an oversized college town that grew too
fast, with most of the big city problems but few of the big city amenities. The only
significant advantage it has over Houston is outdoor recreation. At least in Houston I can get
a lower cost of living, a great restaurant scene, top-notch arts and culture, a more diverse,
international and sophisticated population, and a larger variety of just about everything.

Obviously, you're not talking about Austin, TX.

Oh, yes I am. Lived there throughout the 90's. Outside of outdoor recreation and some music
festivals, the place is overrated.

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Hmmm... I'll just accept that we see things differently with regard to Houston... but I'll take
exception to a couple of things..

1. It's hot 6-8 months of the year. and muggy ALL of it. A lot of humidity can make a little heat
go a long way.

I suppose that depends on what you consider "hot." When I say 3-4 months out of the year "hot" I'm
talking about uncomfortably hot where one feels one HAS to have air conditioning.

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2. The art and culture scene in KC is much more alive than in Houston. And it shows all over the
city.

Really? Last time I checked it was Houston that houses the theater district second in size only to
New York's Broadway. Last time I checked it was Houston with the third largest amount of fine arts
museum space in the country. Last time I checked it was Houston organizations that were nationally
award winning...

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Houston is a great place for some folks.. I just don't happen to be one of them. Been there, done
that, not interested in a repeat.

I DO, however, wish that I had the accessability to the deals that abound in Houston. If a guy's
willing to do the legwork, you can find just about anything for a great price. (you wouldn't
believe some of the great things we found in the wharehouses at NASA, while looking at auction
goods, or the CHEAP technology things that could be had).

As I said, I lived there over twenty years.. just had my fill is all. My favorite thing about KC
are the hills... I cannot believe how much I missed

I guess they mean more for some than others. I don't miss Austin much at all.

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them. (Almost as much as the mountains of southern Arizona.. but my wife has said that she will
never live there.. sigh LOL).

I hear lots of people down-talking southern Arizona... but I'm not sure why.

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At any rate.. Enjoy Houston.

Oh -- I am.

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Really? Last time I checked it was Houston that houses the theater district second in size only to
New York's Broadway. Last time I checked it was Houston with the third largest amount of fine arts
museum space in the country. Last time I checked it was Houston organizations that were nationally
award winning...

Not to mention some of the finest medical research and treatment facilities that exist anywhere