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  1. It appears he was!

    Report: Atkins Had Heart Disease History

    3 hours ago

    NEW YORK - Dr. Robert Atkins, whose popular diet stresses protein-rich meat and cheese over
    carbohydrates, weighed 258 pounds at his death and had a history of heart disease, a newspaper
    reported Tuesday.

    Atkins died last April at age 72 after being injured in a fall on an icy street.

    Before his death, he had suffered a heart attack, congestive heart failure and hypertension,
    The Wall Street Journal reported, citing a report by the city medical examiner.

    At 258 pounds, the 6-foot-tall Atkins would have qualified as obese, according to the Centers
    for Disease Control and Prevention's body-mass index calculator.

    Diet is one potential factor in heart disease, but infections also can contribute to it.

    Last month, the diet guru's widow, Veronica Atkins, demanded an apology from Mayor Michael
    Bloomberg after Bloomberg called her late husband "fat."

    She told the Journal she was outraged that the report had been made public.

    "I have been assured by my husband's physicians that my husband's health problems late in life
    were completely unrelated to his diet or any diet," she said.

    The medical examiner's report was given to the Journal by the Physicians Committee for
    Responsible Medicine, a group that advocates vegetarianism.

    Stuart Trager, chairman of the Atkins Physicians Council in New York, told the Journal that
    Atkins' heart disease stemmed from cardiomyopathy, a condition that was thought to result from
    a viral infection.

    Atkins' weight was due to bloating associated with his condition and the time he spent in a
    coma after his head injury, and he had been much slimmer during most of his life, Trager said.

    In April 2002, a year before he died, Atkins issued a statement saying he was recovering from
    cardiac arrest related to a heart infection he had suffered from "for a few years." He said it
    was "in no way related to diet."

    On Tuesday, the medical examiner's office would say only that Atkins died of a head injury
    from the fall.

    "I can't comment on people's previous conditions. It's against the law," said spokeswoman
    Ellen Borakove.

    Borakove said that, because of family objections to an autopsy, the medical examiner had
    conducted only "an external exam" and a review of Atkins' hospital records.

    She said a report had been sent to a doctor in Nebraska who requested it, and said he
    apparently gave it to the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine.

    It was later discovered that the doctor was not "the treating physician" and should not have
    had access to the report, Borakove said. The medical examiner's office plans to complain to
    Nebraska health officials, she said.

    One of the handwritten comments in the medical examiner's report referred to "MI" (myocardial
    infarction, the technical term for heart attack), the newspaper said. Trager said Atkins had
    no record of having had a heart attack, saying medical histories on examiner's reports are
    often written by less-experienced doctors who may not know a patient's detailed history.

    Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published,
    broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

  2. Whatever. One data point does not make a trend.

    "George W. Cherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:FN9Wb.213703$Rc4.1723288@attbi_s54...

    Quoted message said:

    It appears he was!

    Report: Atkins Had Heart Disease History

    3 hours ago

    NEW YORK - Dr. Robert Atkins, whose popular diet stresses


    protein-rich

    Quoted message said:

    meat and cheese over carbohydrates, weighed 258 pounds at his death and


    had

    Quoted message said:

    a history of heart disease, a newspaper reported Tuesday.

    Atkins died last April at age 72 after being injured in a fall on an icy street.

    Before his death, he had suffered a heart attack, congestive heart failure and hypertension,
    The Wall Street Journal reported, citing a


    report

    Quoted message said:

    by the city medical examiner.

    At 258 pounds, the 6-foot-tall Atkins would have qualified as obese, according to the
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's body-mass index calculator.

    Diet is one potential factor in heart disease, but infections also


    can

    Quoted message said:

    contribute to it.

    Last month, the diet guru's widow, Veronica Atkins, demanded an apology from Mayor Michael
    Bloomberg after Bloomberg called her late


    husband

    Quoted message said:

    "fat."

    She told the Journal she was outraged that the report had been made public.

    "I have been assured by my husband's physicians that my husband's health problems late in
    life were completely unrelated to his diet or any diet," she said.

    The medical examiner's report was given to the Journal by the Physicians Committee for
    Responsible Medicine, a group that advocates vegetarianism.

    Stuart Trager, chairman of the Atkins Physicians Council in New


    York,

    Quoted message said:

    told the Journal that Atkins' heart disease stemmed from cardiomyopathy, a condition that was
    thought to result from a viral infection.

    Atkins' weight was due to bloating associated with his condition and the time he spent in a
    coma after his head injury, and he had been much slimmer during most of his life, Trager
    said.

    In April 2002, a year before he died, Atkins issued a statement


    saying

    Quoted message said:

    he was recovering from cardiac arrest related to a heart infection he had suffered from "for a few
    years." He said it was "in no way related to


    diet."

    Quoted message said:


    On Tuesday, the medical examiner's office would say only that Atkins died of a head injury
    from the fall.

    "I can't comment on people's previous conditions. It's against the law," said spokeswoman
    Ellen Borakove.

    Borakove said that, because of family objections to an autopsy, the medical examiner had
    conducted only "an external exam" and a review of Atkins' hospital records.

    She said a report had been sent to a doctor in Nebraska who


    requested

    Quoted message said:

    it, and said he apparently gave it to the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine.

    It was later discovered that the doctor was not "the treating
    physician" and should not have had access to the report, Borakove said.


    The

    Quoted message said:

    medical examiner's office plans to complain to Nebraska health officials, she said.

    One of the handwritten comments in the medical examiner's report referred to "MI"
    (myocardial infarction, the technical term for heart attack), the newspaper said. Trager
    said Atkins had no record of having


    had

    Quoted message said:

    a heart attack, saying medical histories on examiner's reports are often written by less-
    experienced doctors who may not know a patient's detailed history.

    Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be
    published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

  3. So what if he was obese? It has nothing to do with the validity of his theories.

    Jeff

  4. "rmp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Whatever. One data point does not make a trend.

    Indeed. And one tolerably recent photograph would settle the issue once and for all...

    M.

  5. "George W. Cherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<FN9Wb.213703$Rc4.1723288@attbi_s54>...

    Quoted message said:

    It appears he was!

    Report: Atkins Had Heart Disease History

    3 hours ago

    NEW YORK - Dr. Robert Atkins, whose popular diet stresses protein-rich meat and cheese over
    carbohydrates, weighed 258 pounds at his death and had a history of heart disease, a
    newspaper reported Tuesday.

    Atkins died last April at age 72 after being injured in a fall on an icy street.

    Before his death, he had suffered a heart attack, congestive heart failure and hypertension,
    The Wall Street Journal reported, citing a report by the city medical examiner.

    At 258 pounds, the 6-foot-tall Atkins would have qualified as obese, according to the
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's body-mass index calculator.

    Diet is one potential factor in heart disease, but infections also can contribute to it.

    Last month, the diet guru's widow, Veronica Atkins, demanded an apology from Mayor Michael
    Bloomberg after Bloomberg called her late husband "fat."

    She told the Journal she was outraged that the report had been made public.

    "I have been assured by my husband's physicians that my husband's health problems late in
    life were completely unrelated to his diet or any diet," she said.

    The medical examiner's report was given to the Journal by the Physicians Committee for
    Responsible Medicine, a group that advocates vegetarianism.

    Stuart Trager, chairman of the Atkins Physicians Council in New York, told the Journal that
    Atkins' heart disease stemmed from cardiomyopathy, a condition that was thought to result
    from a viral infection.

    Atkins' weight was due to bloating associated with his condition and the time he spent in a
    coma after his head injury, and he had been much slimmer during most of his life, Trager
    said.

    You've been had again. Hoisted by your own vegan petard.

    The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine put this info out. They are an animal-rights/pro-
    vegan group. The head of the PCRM is married to the head of PETA. Gotta give 'em credit for being
    able to have this nonsense picked up by the mainstream press. Less than 5% of their membership are
    physicians.

    Atkins heart trouble was directly related to a viral infection and the weight was 60 lbs of water
    retention caused by the condition which was caused by a virus. His diet helped him cope with the
    problem and helped him live longer with a better quality of life.

    And the alleged medical examiner's report was provided to the PCRM by someone from the City of New
    York where the mayor Bloomberg, who owns the Johns Hopkins hospital (which is known to be anti-
    atkins), has been quoted attacking Atkins directly and personally. This is getting real nasty real
    quick. Bloomberg and Johns Hopkins is really going to extreme lengths when they collude with the
    nutso group PCRM to go after Atkins.

    TC

  6. "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    So what if he was obese? It has nothing to do with the validity of his theories.

    Jeff

    Immanuel Kant was a real pissant, Who was very rarely stable, Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy
    beggar who could think you under a table.

    David Hume could out-consume Wilhelm Freidrich Hegel.

    And Wittgenstein was a beery swine, Who was just as schloshed as Schegel.

    There's nothing Nietzche couldn't teach ya 'Bout the raising of the wrist, Socrates himself, was
    permanently [censored].

    John Stuart Mill, of his own free will, on half a pint of shandy was particularly ill,

    Plato they say, could stick it away, Half a crate of whiskey every day.

    Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle, Hobbes was fond of his dram.

    And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart, "I drink, therefore I am".

    Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed, A lovely little thinker, BUT A BUGGER WHEN
    HE'S [censored]!

  7. [My shy corrections added:]

    Immanuel Kant Was a real [censored]-ant Who was very rarely stable;

    Heidegger, Heidegger Was a boozy beggar Who could think you under the table;

    David Hume Could out-consume Schopenhauer and Hegel;

    And Wittgenstein Was a beery swine Who was just as sloshed as Schlegel.

    There's nothing Nietzsche Couldn't teach ya 'Bout the raising of the wrist;

    Socrates himself was permanently [censored].

    John Stuart Mill, Of his own free will, After half a pint of shandy was particularly ill;

    Plato, they say, Could stick it away: Half a crate of whisky every day;

    Aristotle, Aristotle Was a bugger for the bottle; Hobbes was fond of his dram;

    And Rene Descartes Was a drunken fart: "I drink, therefore I am".

    But Socrates himself is particularly missed: A lovely little thinker - BUT A BUGGER WHEN
    HE'S [censored]!

    -------

    Mine's a large one, in case you're wondering...

    ; )

    M.

  8. "M@rk D." <[email hidden][email protected]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "rmp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Whatever. One data point does not make a trend.

    Indeed. And one tolerably recent photograph would settle the issue once


    and

    Quoted message said:

    for all...

    M.

    See: thesoydailyclub.comAtkinsDrAtkins3.jpg

    PCRM members, Dieticians and "Low Fatters" be warned: His gross ill health and obesity are as usual,
    heavily disguised.

    MikeV

  9. "George W. Cherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:FN9Wb.213703$Rc4.1723288@attbi_s54...

    Quoted message said:

    It appears he was!

    Report: Atkins Had Heart Disease History

    3 hours ago

    NEW YORK - Dr. Robert Atkins, whose popular diet stresses


    protein-rich

    Quoted message said:

    meat and cheese over carbohydrates, weighed 258 pounds at his death and


    had

    Quoted message said:

    a history of heart disease, a newspaper reported Tuesday.

    Here is a picture gallery of him: atkins.comphoto gallery.html

    He doesn't look too obese to me.

    Jeff

  10. At a BMI of 35.1 he was "morbidly Obese".

    "George W. Cherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:FN9Wb.213703$Rc4.1723288@attbi_s54...

    Quoted message said:

    It appears he was!

    Report: Atkins Had Heart Disease History

    3 hours ago

    NEW YORK - Dr. Robert Atkins, whose popular diet stresses


    protein-rich

    Quoted message said:

    meat and cheese over carbohydrates, weighed 258 pounds at his death and


    had

    Quoted message said:

    a history of heart disease, a newspaper reported Tuesday.

    Atkins died last April at age 72 after being injured in a fall on an icy street.

    Before his death, he had suffered a heart attack, congestive heart failure and hypertension,
    The Wall Street Journal reported, citing a


    report

    Quoted message said:

    by the city medical examiner.

    At 258 pounds, the 6-foot-tall Atkins would have qualified as obese, according to the
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's body-mass index calculator.

    Diet is one potential factor in heart disease, but infections also


    can

    Quoted message said:

    contribute to it.

    Last month, the diet guru's widow, Veronica Atkins, demanded an apology from Mayor Michael
    Bloomberg after Bloomberg called her late


    husband

    Quoted message said:

    "fat."

    She told the Journal she was outraged that the report had been made public.

    "I have been assured by my husband's physicians that my husband's health problems late in
    life were completely unrelated to his diet or any diet," she said.

    The medical examiner's report was given to the Journal by the Physicians Committee for
    Responsible Medicine, a group that advocates vegetarianism.

    Stuart Trager, chairman of the Atkins Physicians Council in New


    York,

    Quoted message said:

    told the Journal that Atkins' heart disease stemmed from cardiomyopathy, a condition that was
    thought to result from a viral infection.

    Atkins' weight was due to bloating associated with his condition and the time he spent in a
    coma after his head injury, and he had been much slimmer during most of his life, Trager
    said.

    In April 2002, a year before he died, Atkins issued a statement


    saying

    Quoted message said:

    he was recovering from cardiac arrest related to a heart infection he had suffered from "for a few
    years." He said it was "in no way related to


    diet."

    Quoted message said:


    On Tuesday, the medical examiner's office would say only that Atkins died of a head injury
    from the fall.

    "I can't comment on people's previous conditions. It's against the law," said spokeswoman
    Ellen Borakove.

    Borakove said that, because of family objections to an autopsy, the medical examiner had
    conducted only "an external exam" and a review of Atkins' hospital records.

    She said a report had been sent to a doctor in Nebraska who


    requested

    Quoted message said:

    it, and said he apparently gave it to the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine.

    It was later discovered that the doctor was not "the treating
    physician" and should not have had access to the report, Borakove said.


    The

    Quoted message said:

    medical examiner's office plans to complain to Nebraska health officials, she said.

    One of the handwritten comments in the medical examiner's report referred to "MI"
    (myocardial infarction, the technical term for heart attack), the newspaper said. Trager
    said Atkins had no record of having


    had

    Quoted message said:

    a heart attack, saying medical histories on examiner's reports are often written by less-
    experienced doctors who may not know a patient's detailed history.

    Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be
    published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

  11. "J Stutzmann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    At a BMI of 35.1 he was "morbidly Obese".

    This question is as hard to answer and just as contentious as whether George W. Bush was AWOL from
    the Texas Air National Guard. I'm beginning to regret posting this article because, as one poster
    stated, Atkins is just one "subject", and we can't learn much from such a "study". : o )

    Quoted message said:

    "George W. Cherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:FN9Wb.213703$Rc4.1723288@attbi_s54...

    Quoted message said:

    It appears he was!

    Report: Atkins Had Heart Disease History

    3 hours ago

    NEW YORK - Dr. Robert Atkins, whose popular diet stresses


    protein-rich

    Quoted message said:

    meat and cheese over carbohydrates, weighed 258 pounds at his death and


    had

    Quoted message said:

    a history of heart disease, a newspaper reported Tuesday.

    Atkins died last April at age 72 after being injured in a fall on


    an

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    icy street.

    Before his death, he had suffered a heart attack, congestive heart failure and
    hypertension, The Wall Street Journal reported, citing a


    report

    Quoted message said:

    by the city medical examiner.

    At 258 pounds, the 6-foot-tall Atkins would have qualified as


    obese,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's body-mass index calculator.

    Diet is one potential factor in heart disease, but infections also


    can

    Quoted message said:

    contribute to it.

    Last month, the diet guru's widow, Veronica Atkins, demanded an apology from Mayor Michael
    Bloomberg after Bloomberg called her late


    husband

    Quoted message said:

    "fat."

    She told the Journal she was outraged that the report had been


    made

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    public.

    "I have been assured by my husband's physicians that my husband's health problems late in
    life were completely unrelated to his diet or


    any

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    diet," she said.

    The medical examiner's report was given to the Journal by the Physicians Committee for
    Responsible Medicine, a group that advocates vegetarianism.

    Stuart Trager, chairman of the Atkins Physicians Council in New


    York,

    Quoted message said:

    told the Journal that Atkins' heart disease stemmed from cardiomyopathy,


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    condition that was thought to result from a viral infection.

    Atkins' weight was due to bloating associated with his condition


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the time he spent in a coma after his head injury, and he had been much slimmer during most of
    his life, Trager said.

    In April 2002, a year before he died, Atkins issued a statement


    saying

    Quoted message said:

    he was recovering from cardiac arrest related to a heart infection he


    had

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    suffered from "for a few years." He said it was "in no way related to


    diet."

    Quoted message said:


    On Tuesday, the medical examiner's office would say only that


    Atkins

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    died of a head injury from the fall.

    "I can't comment on people's previous conditions. It's against the law," said spokeswoman
    Ellen Borakove.

    Borakove said that, because of family objections to an autopsy,


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    medical examiner had conducted only "an external exam" and a review of Atkins' hospital records.

    She said a report had been sent to a doctor in Nebraska who


    requested

    Quoted message said:

    it, and said he apparently gave it to the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine.

    It was later discovered that the doctor was not "the treating
    physician" and should not have had access to the report, Borakove said.


    The

    Quoted message said:

    medical examiner's office plans to complain to Nebraska health


    officials,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    she said.

    One of the handwritten comments in the medical examiner's report referred to "MI"
    (myocardial infarction, the technical term for heart attack), the newspaper said. Trager
    said Atkins had no record of having


    had

    Quoted message said:

    a heart attack, saying medical histories on examiner's reports are often written by less-
    experienced doctors who may not know a patient's


    detailed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    history.

    Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be
    published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


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