WARNING! Black Ice is about!

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Anyone have any tips for spotting or riding over black ice

I think the Ians will agree: two wheels bad, three wheels good :-)

I have a two-wheeleed darksider of course, and I find that on the occasions when ice causes it to
vanish from under me my [censored] has not thus far hit the ground. You feel the bike go and stand up. But
if you do come a cropper on the dark side there's not so far to fall :-)

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Anyone have any tips for spotting or riding over black ice

Don't ride over it. Avoid any part of the road where the surface looks shiny and black (this applies
also for avoiding diesel spills!). One of the good things about cycling is that you can get a good
view of the road surface so use the opportunity!

- i THINK my

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slide may have happened because I braked or turned - i presume the same rules apply for if i was
driving a car - try and avoid it?!

Exactly.

Rich

Lee said:

As i discovered on my a*se this morning LOL.

Luckily it wasnt a nasty fall, more of a controlled slide & fall - no injury but I now realise
that black ice isnt a nice thing to ride over!

Anyone have any tips for spotting or riding over black ice - i THINK my slide may have happened
because I braked or turned - i presume the same rules apply for if i was driving a car - try and
avoid it?!

I don't think you can stay upright indefinitely on ice on a normal bike. But you can stay upright
for many tens of yards if you minimise control input. Once you try to pedal or brake or steer you
are definitely in trouble and probably going down. Unclip your SPDs!

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I think the Ians will agree: two wheels bad, three wheels good :-)

I have a two-wheeleed darksider of course, and I find that on the

occasions

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when ice causes it to vanish from under me my [censored] has not thus far hit

the

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ground. You feel the bike go and stand up. But if you do come a cropper

on

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the dark side there's not so far to fall :-)

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GAH! ye dark siders!

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I have a two-wheeleed darksider of course, and I find that on the

occasions

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when ice causes it to vanish from under me my [censored] has not thus far hit

the

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ground. You feel the bike go and stand up. But if you do come a cropper

on

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the dark side there's not so far to fall :-)

Should we introduce a prize -- a sort of 'goal of the month' competition for the most innovative and
downright implausible reason to promote the dark-side to good, upstanding citizens?

If so, I nominate this for the December Prize. Clearly ranks as Complete Bollox[tm].

T

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Anyone have any tips for spotting or riding over black ice

Nokian studded tyres. Work an absolute treat. I have ridden up a 1:10 pulling the trailer on ice I
couldn't walk up without crampons.

They're not cheap at about 25 quid each but if you like the sound of dog nails on a parquet floor as
you cycle they are the business.

..d

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I have a two-wheeleed darksider of course, and I find that on the

occasions

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when ice causes it to vanish from under me my [censored] has not thus far hit

the

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ground. You feel the bike go and stand up. But if you do come a cropper

on

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the dark side there's not so far to fall :-)

Should we introduce a prize -- a sort of 'goal of the month' competition for the most innovative
and downright implausible reason to promote the dark-side to good, upstanding citizens?

If so, I nominate this for the December Prize. Clearly ranks as Complete Bollox[tm].

T

Ride a trike, then you go looking for ice, not trying to avoid it.

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As i discovered on my a*se this morning LOL.

Luckily it wasnt a nasty fall, more of a controlled slide & fall - no

injury

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but I now realise that black ice isnt a nice thing to ride over!

Anyone have any tips for spotting or riding over black ice - i THINK my slide may have happened
because I braked or turned - i presume the same rules apply for if i was driving a car - try and
avoid it?!

we got black ice. 2 many nig nogs skating on lake

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I have a two-wheeleed darksider of course, and I find that on the occasions when ice causes it to
vanish from under me my [censored] has not thus far hit the ground. You feel the bike go and stand up.

Do you use clipless Guy? Whenever I've had a bike disappear from under me it's been a pretty much
instantaneous happening. There has usually been enough time only to realise I'm in the [censored] and then
the bike has either spat me off or found some grip. It's not often I even have time to modify my
steering/braking/whatever let alone unclip from my pedals.
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"Lee"

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As i discovered on my a*se this morning LOL.

Luckily it wasnt a nasty fall, more of a controlled slide & fall - no

injury

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but I now realise that black ice isnt a nice thing to ride over!

Anyone have any tips for spotting or riding over black ice - i THINK my slide may have happened
because I braked or turned - i presume the same rules apply for if i was driving a car - try and
avoid it?!

we got black ice. 2 many nig nogs skating on lake

Which lake would that be?

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Do you use clipless Guy? Whenever I've had a bike disappear from under me it's been a pretty much
instantaneous happening.

Yes, I use SPD on the 'bent. Tonight I will of course come off and slide down the road on my [censored],
but it hasn't happened yet.

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Call me Bob said:

Whenever I've had a bike disappear from under me it's been a pretty much instantaneous happening.
There has usually been enough time only to realise I'm in the [censored] and then the bike has either
spat me off or found some grip. It's not often I even have time to modify my
steering/braking/whatever let alone unclip from my pedals.

On a bent spds are almost essential. On a bent trike it would be extreme folly not to use them. It
can be pretty nasty for your feet to drop off the pedals as your legs will get pulled under the
cross beam with disastrous results - like snapped bones.

But then on a trike you aint gonna fall off anyway, just slide slide slide... whoopeeeeeeee e e e
e e e e e e

Can't wait 'til the snow ;-)

John B

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"Lee" wrote...

Anyone have any tips for spotting or riding over black ice

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Nokian studded tyres. Work an absolute treat. I have ridden up a 1:10 pulling the trailer on ice I
couldn't walk up without crampons.

They're not cheap at about 25 quid each but if you like the sound of dog nails on a parquet floor
as you cycle they are the business.

..d

Second the recommendation. Nokian Hakkapeliitas are an excellent studded tire for commuting. Mine
have been very durable, no flats and good tread wear. The tread itself is quite good for snow, too.

Be aware that they are very heavy and slow, but that's not such a bad thing on ice. Traction on dry
pavement is also quite reduced, I find it disconcertingly easy to lock the front wheel on dry roads.
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Hakkapeliitas on my bike *and* my car

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Yes, I use SPD on the 'bent. Tonight I will of course come off and slide down the road on my [censored],
but it hasn't happened yet.

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Im not looking forward to it! The thing about black ice is, its black... the thing about the night
is... its black - so how are you supposed to see it then!!!?

I can guarentee that Ill fall off again! just hope its as slow as it was this morning!!!

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"David Martin" wrote ...

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"Lee" wrote...

Anyone have any tips for spotting or riding over black ice

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Nokian studded tyres. Work an absolute treat. I have ridden up a 1:10 pulling the trailer on ice
I couldn't walk up without crampons.

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They're not cheap at about 25 quid each but if you like the sound of dog nails on a parquet floor
as you cycle they are the business.

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Second the recommendation. Nokian Hakkapeliitas are an excellent studded tire for commuting.
Mine have been very durable, no flats and good tread wear. The tread itself is quite good for
snow, too.

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Be aware that they are very heavy and slow, but that's not such a bad thing on ice. Traction on
dry pavement is also quite reduced, I find it disconcertingly easy to lock the front wheel on
dry roads.

Heavy and slow, but you stay upright.

Mine now just hang in the garage as Dundee isn't reknowned for its arctic winters.. The A10 are very
good and come in both 559 and 622 sizes. I have the W102 which have a more tractor like tread and
seem to be better for deeper snow as well as sheet ice.

Seriously good kit.

..d

JohnB said:

On a bent spds are almost essential. On a bent trike it would be extreme folly not to use them. It
can be pretty nasty for your feet to drop off the pedals as your legs will get pulled under the
cross beam with disastrous results - like snapped bones.

The technical term for this is "leg suck". I've never actually met anyone who has experienced it,
but I agree it's definitely to be avoided.

The other reason I use SPDs on the trike is that it saves energy that would otherwise be used to
hold my legs in position - I once rode my GTO for a couple of miles without the spuds and it left my
legs much more tired and uncomfortable than if I'd been clipped in...

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But then on a trike you aint gonna fall off anyway, just slide slide slide... whoopeeeeeeee e e e
e e e e e e

Quite so :-)

It is *possible* to fall off a 'bent trike of course, but by gum, you have to work at it :-)

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Im not looking forward to it! The thing about black ice is, its black... the thing about the night
is... its black - so how are you supposed to see it then!!!?

I can guarentee that Ill fall off again! just hope its as slow as it was this morning!!!

My cycling style has adjusted quite a lot. I'm keeping well away from manhole covers, and off the
yellow/white lines. Also, not leaning into corners. In fact, it's boring. The fog was nice last
night. Makes it spooky cycling along the towpath 🙂

Doesn't black ice have a distinctive sheen to it? Are your lights up to the job?

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Im not looking forward to it! The thing about black ice is, its black... the thing about the night
is... its black - so how are you supposed to see it then!!!?

It might be black but it isn't necessarily entirely invisible, at least where there is adequate
street lighting, if you are looking out for it. Black ice tends to have a sheen to it, which is
distinct from the duller grey of the normal road surface unless the whole road surface is like that,
which it might be in conditions of rain or drizzle or fog. In cold weather stay off anything that
looks 'wet' if you can. You might find there are particular places where you are more likely to
encounter icy conditions on your commute, for example on corners where water just tends to lie, or
on residential roads where there is less motor traffic, which are also less likely to be gritted.
Note that even a heavy frost on the road surface can have you off. Take a route and a line that
avoids the most likely hazard spots.

Rich

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Yes, I use SPD on the 'bent. Tonight I will of course come off and slide down the road on my [censored],
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Im not looking forward to it! The thing about black ice is, its black... the thing about the night
is... its black - so how are you supposed to see it then!!!?

if you can see 'cyclists' at night without lights, in dark clothes you should be able to see
black ice !!!!

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