Warmed Stone Massage ???

Speaking strictly from a novice perspective here. I have received two different types of treatment
with hot stones. The first was more traditional, where stones of varying sizes and shapes were
placed on or around my body at trigger points. It was interesting, although not terribly satisfying.

While I can appreciate the concept, I much prefer a more active approach, which is what the second
treatment was. In this case, the therapist used the stones as an extention of a more traditional
Swedish massage. In conjunction with her hands, she used the stones as tools, applying oil and
rubbing across muscles, along with placing along various points of my body. The end result was very
satisfying for me. The combination of sensations was very refreshing.

"Wayne Cattanach" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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I am not a therapist - but my wife and I are starting to enjoy Warmed Stone Massage together - we
have the stones . .heater and all that but in looking to expand our knowledge in the area find
several . .directions of use of this massage technique - just asking others what their favorite
techniques are and if that information is available either in print or video - Thanks In Advance

It's all bull [censored]. Any warm item will work the same.
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I am not a therapist - but my wife and I are starting to
enjoy Warmed

Stone

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Massage together - we have the stones . .heater and all
that but in

looking

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to expand our knowledge in the area find several .
.directions of use of this massage technique - just asking
others what their favorite techniques are and if that
information is available either in print or video - Thanks
In Advance

THE ITEM SHOULD PROBABLY BE JUST AS DENSE, HEAVY, AND
SIMILAR COMPOSITION THOUGH TO BOTH HOLD AND TRANSFER THE
TEMPERATURE TO THE BODY ON CONTACT I'M THINKIN?

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It's all bull [censored]. Any warm item will work the same.
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I am not a therapist - but my wife and I are starting to
enjoy Warmed

Stone

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Massage together - we have the stones . .heater and all
that but in

looking

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to expand our knowledge in the area find several .
.directions of use

of

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this massage technique - just asking others what their
favorite

techniques

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are and if that information is available either in print
or video - Thanks In Advance

Mj Hess said:

THE ITEM SHOULD PROBABLY BE JUST AS DENSE, HEAVY, AND
SIMILAR COMPOSITION THOUGH TO BOTH HOLD AND TRANSFER THE
TEMPERATURE TO THE BODY ON CONTACT I'M THINKIN?

Check your caps lock, dear....

sue

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Mj Hess said:

THE ITEM SHOULD PROBABLY BE JUST AS DENSE, HEAVY, AND
SIMILAR

COMPOSITION

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THOUGH TO BOTH HOLD AND TRANSFER THE TEMPERATURE TO THE
BODY ON CONTACT

I'M

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THINKIN?

Check your caps lock, dear....

sue

lol

to the comment that using stones is '[censored]' and that any
hot item will work. Certain stones are used because they
retain the heat well and because energetically they hold
energy from the earth that is ancient. It is not [censored].

T

i just checked it.. oops hang on.. THERE IT GOES.. lol
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Mj Hess said:

THE ITEM SHOULD PROBABLY BE JUST AS DENSE, HEAVY, AND
SIMILAR

COMPOSITION

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THOUGH TO BOTH HOLD AND TRANSFER THE TEMPERATURE TO THE
BODY ON CONTACT

I'M

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THINKIN?

Check your caps lock, dear....

sue

OK, I can't stand it anymore. I agree that certain stones
are used because they retain heat well. This is a
reasonable belief.

What I can't stand anymore is the selling of massage
therapies based on their "energy" qualities.

There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can be
transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
potential energy related to mass and hardness and position
relative to gravity.

Massage feels good "cause it feels good to get rubbed and
squeezed by another human being; whether it cures anything
is unlikely, but it feels good and there's little enough of
that in our lives, so that makes massage a good thing. Heat,
or warmth, is a comforting thing; that's what is enjoyable
about a warm rock. The transfer of heat to our skin is
pleasant; just like laying in the sun soaking up some rays
is pleasant. It's not mystical or magic. It's just heat.

Seriously, what percentage of your massage business is made
of nutcases who actually buy into the energy themes of the
massage business.

If you want to become legit in the minds of a reasonable
market population, stop selling us the mystical aspects of
massage and just tell us we'll feel better from the touch
and the heat.

Ben

Tiffany said:

to the comment that using stones is '[censored]' and that
any hot item will work. Certain stones are used because
they retain the heat well and because energetically they
hold energy from the earth that is ancient. It is not
[censored].

T

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lol

to the comment that using stones is '[censored]' and that
any hot item will work. Certain stones are used because
they retain the heat well and

because

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energetically they hold energy from the earth that is
ancient. It is not [censored].

T

But you gotta admit it HAS to get you more customers than if
you offered a "hot potato" massage. <g

So you don't believe in traditional Chinese medicine? And
what is with calling folks who do believe in 'energy'
nutcases? If that is what someone believes, that is truth to
them and it will make them feel good. Calling someone a
nutcase sure won't help ANY massage practice.

Insulting surely isn't going to prove your point.

Tiffany

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OK, I can't stand it anymore. I agree that certain stones
are used because they retain heat well. This is a
reasonable belief.

What I can't stand anymore is the selling of massage
therapies based on their "energy" qualities.

There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can be
transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
potential energy related to mass and hardness and position
relative to gravity.

Massage feels good "cause it feels good to get rubbed and
squeezed by another human being; whether it cures anything
is unlikely, but it feels good and there's little enough
of that in our lives, so that makes massage a good thing.
Heat, or warmth, is a comforting thing; that's what is
enjoyable about a warm rock. The transfer of heat to our
skin is pleasant; just like laying in the sun soaking up
some rays is pleasant. It's not mystical or magic. It's
just heat.

Seriously, what percentage of your massage business is
made of nutcases who actually buy into the energy themes
of the massage business.

If you want to become legit in the minds of a reasonable
market population, stop selling us the mystical aspects of
massage and just tell us we'll feel better from the touch
and the heat.

Ben

Tiffany said:

to the comment that using stones is '[censored]' and that
any hot item

will

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

work. Certain stones are used because they retain the
heat well and

because

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

energetically they hold energy from the earth that is
ancient. It is not [censored].

T

And since I see you were one of the folks to reply to me
about Cancer/Massage......

the client I refer to is a breast cancer survivor. She now
has bone cancer. She believes immensely that the reason she
was able to survive breast cancer and cancer as a whole for
as long as she has was due to the Reiki her husband did with
her. Is she a nutcase?

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OK, I can't stand it anymore. I agree that certain stones
are used because they retain heat well. This is a
reasonable belief.

What I can't stand anymore is the selling of massage
therapies based on their "energy" qualities.

There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can be
transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
potential energy related to mass and hardness and position
relative to gravity.

Massage feels good "cause it feels good to get rubbed and
squeezed by another human being; whether it cures anything
is unlikely, but it feels good and there's little enough
of that in our lives, so that makes massage a good thing.
Heat, or warmth, is a comforting thing; that's what is
enjoyable about a warm rock. The transfer of heat to our
skin is pleasant; just like laying in the sun soaking up
some rays is pleasant. It's not mystical or magic. It's
just heat.

Seriously, what percentage of your massage business is
made of nutcases who actually buy into the energy themes
of the massage business.

If you want to become legit in the minds of a reasonable
market population, stop selling us the mystical aspects of
massage and just tell us we'll feel better from the touch
and the heat.

Ben

Tiffany said:

to the comment that using stones is '[censored]' and that
any hot item

will

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

work. Certain stones are used because they retain the
heat well and

because

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

energetically they hold energy from the earth that is
ancient. It is not [censored].

T

<There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can be
transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
potential energy related to mass and hardness and position
relative to gravity.>

Tell that to the Hawaiians; they won't believe it.

Aren't quartz crystals used in electronics?

Are things like Lourdes water or religious items such as
relics from saints and other holy people, even dirt from
their graves, that help humans and animals heal
nonsense, too?

<If you want to become legit in the minds of a reasonable
market population, stop selling us the mystical aspects of
massage and just tell us we'll feel better from the touch
and the heat.>

Because there is more to it than the eye can see; that's
what metaphysical means.

You may not remember that at one time acupuncture was looked
down on in the U.S. because it was unfamiliar even though
Asians used it successfully for years and it was used to
heal animals (no placebo effect there). Now the medical
community has wholly embraced having needles stuck into skin
to relieve pain and increase circulation.

BTW, are these the same "reasonables" who have their tea
leaves read or consult a dream book for a lucky number or
avoid walking under a ladder or throw salt over the left
shoulder after spilling it, etc., etc.?

Take a Reiki class and you'll see.

LK

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"Ben Dover" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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OK, I can't stand it anymore. I agree that certain stones
are used because they retain heat well. This is a
reasonable belief.

What I can't stand anymore is the selling of massage
therapies based on their "energy" qualities.

There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can be
transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
potential energy related to mass and hardness and position
relative to gravity.

Massage feels good "cause it feels good to get rubbed and
squeezed by another human being; whether it cures anything
is unlikely, but it feels good and there's little enough
of that in our lives, so that makes massage a good thing.
Heat, or warmth, is a comforting thing; that's what is
enjoyable about a warm rock. The transfer of heat to our
skin is pleasant; just like laying in the sun soaking up
some rays is pleasant. It's not mystical or magic. It's
just heat.

Seriously, what percentage of your massage business is
made of nutcases who actually buy into the energy themes
of the massage business.

If you want to become legit in the minds of a reasonable
market population, stop selling us the mystical aspects of
massage and just tell us we'll feel better from the touch
and the heat.

Ben

Tiffany said:

to the comment that using stones is '[censored]' and that
any hot item

will

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

work. Certain stones are used because they retain the
heat well and

because

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

energetically they hold energy from the earth that is
ancient. It is not [censored].

T

Ben Dover said:

OK, I can't stand it anymore. I agree that certain stones
are used because they retain heat well. This is a
reasonable belief.

What I can't stand anymore is the selling of massage
therapies based on their "energy" qualities.

There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can be
transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
potential energy related to mass and hardness and position
relative to gravity.

I talked to a geologist friend of mine who said that one can
measure the electrical resistance of rocks.

So as some are better or worse conductors of electricity,
and as the body has a bio-electric system, they may
facilitate the flow within in the receiver's body, and from
the giver to the receiver.

sue

George! I was just gonna write and see where you went? I
miss your posts!

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lol

to the comment that using stones is '[censored]' and that
any hot item

will

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

work. Certain stones are used because they retain the
heat well and

because

Quoted message said:

energetically they hold energy from the earth that is
ancient. It is not [censored].

T

But you gotta admit it HAS to get you more customers than
if you offered a "hot potato" massage. <g

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"Tiffany" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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lol

to the comment that using stones is '[censored]' and that
any hot item

will

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

work. Certain stones are used because they retain the
heat well and

because

Quoted message said:

energetically they hold energy from the earth that is
ancient. It is not [censored].

T

But you gotta admit it HAS to get you more customers than
if you offered a "hot potato" massage. <g>

Ohh... hot potato.... wouldn't that possibly get mushy
though? lol

t

An interesting question. Is she a nutcase? No, she's a
person who is desperate for hope and will buy anything that
anyone offers as a cure or otherwise regarding her efforts
to cling to her precious life.

What I'm annoyed with is massage therapists trying to sell
magic and mystery to clients. Whether someone wants to
irrationally choose to believe in magic and mystery is a
separate topic.

Still, there's no law against selling snake oil to desperate
people unless the line of fraud is crossed. Fortunately, or
unfortunately, language is amorphous enough in it's
constructs to allow people to sell snake oil without
crossing the line, legally.

If your client feels that ancient energies from other
universes have helped her through her trials and
tribulations, then more power to her! Side note: I don't
think my original reply was directed at your client.

Ben

Tiffany said:

And since I see you were one of the folks to reply to me
about Cancer/Massage......

the client I refer to is a breast cancer survivor. She now
has bone cancer. She believes immensely that the reason
she was able to survive breast cancer and cancer as a
whole for as long as she has was due to the Reiki her
husband did with her. Is she a nutcase?

T "Ben Dover" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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OK, I can't stand it anymore. I agree that certain stones
are used because they retain heat well. This is a
reasonable belief.

What I can't stand anymore is the selling of massage
therapies based on their "energy" qualities.

There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can be
transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
potential energy related to mass and hardness and position
relative to gravity.

Massage feels good "cause it feels good to get rubbed and
squeezed by another human being; whether it cures anything
is unlikely, but it feels good and there's little enough
of that in our lives, so that makes massage a good thing.
Heat, or warmth, is a comforting thing; that's what is
enjoyable about a warm rock. The transfer of heat to our
skin is pleasant; just like laying in the sun soaking up
some rays is pleasant. It's not mystical or magic. It's
just heat.

Seriously, what percentage of your massage business is
made of nutcases who actually buy into the energy themes
of the massage business.

If you want to become legit in the minds of a reasonable
market population, stop selling us the mystical aspects of
massage and just tell us we'll feel better from the touch
and the heat.

Ben

Tiffany said:

to the comment that using stones is '[censored]' and that
any hot item

will

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

work. Certain stones are used because they retain the
heat well and

because

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

energetically they hold energy from the earth that is
ancient. It is not [censored].

T

Let's stick to my message. I have acknowledged that
anything, an idea, a can of water labeled as a homeopathic
remedy, a rock from someone's yard, can make the "client"
feel better if that's what the client wants to believe.

That doesn't mean that it is acceptable to sell falsehoods
to desperate people. Massage therapy all by itself is a
truthful service when offered for what it is, touch that
feels good. It doesn't need magical mystical healing energy
illusions to have value.

Sell it for what it is, touch that feels good. Leave the
witchcraft to the island voodoo doctors.

Ben

L Kelly said:

<There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can be
transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
potential energy related to mass and hardness and position
relative to gravity.>

Tell that to the Hawaiians; they won't believe it.

Aren't quartz crystals used in electronics?

Are things like Lourdes water or religious items such as
relics from saints and other holy people, even dirt from
their graves, that help humans and animals heal
nonsense, too?

<If you want to become legit in the minds of a reasonable
market population, stop selling us the mystical aspects of
massage and just tell us we'll feel better from the touch
and the heat.>

Because there is more to it than the eye can see; that's
what metaphysical means.

You may not remember that at one time acupuncture was
looked down on in the U.S. because it was unfamiliar even
though Asians used it successfully for years and it was
used to heal animals (no placebo effect there). Now the
medical community has wholly embraced having needles stuck
into skin to relieve pain and increase circulation.

BTW, are these the same "reasonables" who have their tea
leaves read or consult a dream book for a lucky number or
avoid walking under a ladder or throw salt over the left
shoulder after spilling it, etc., etc.?

Take a Reiki class and you'll see.

LK

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good, but good for something; that ye may fulfill that
purpose for which ye have entered this experience. Edgar
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"Ben Dover" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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OK, I can't stand it anymore. I agree that certain stones
are used because they retain heat well. This is a
reasonable belief.

What I can't stand anymore is the selling of massage
therapies based on their "energy" qualities.

There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can be
transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
potential energy related to mass and hardness and position
relative to gravity.

Massage feels good "cause it feels good to get rubbed and
squeezed by another human being; whether it cures anything
is unlikely, but it feels good and there's little enough
of that in our lives, so that makes massage a good thing.
Heat, or warmth, is a comforting thing; that's what is
enjoyable about a warm rock. The transfer of heat to our
skin is pleasant; just like laying in the sun soaking up
some rays is pleasant. It's not mystical or magic. It's
just heat.

Seriously, what percentage of your massage business is
made of nutcases who actually buy into the energy themes
of the massage business.

If you want to become legit in the minds of a reasonable
market population, stop selling us the mystical aspects of
massage and just tell us we'll feel better from the touch
and the heat.

Ben

Tiffany said:

to the comment that using stones is '[censored]' and that
any hot item

will

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

work. Certain stones are used because they retain the
heat well and

because

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

energetically they hold energy from the earth that is
ancient. It is not [censored].

T

I find that wrapping my head in tinfoil and aiming the
remote control at my temples (especially channel 3) gets rid
of my migraines..lol ..but what does all this have to do
with massage????

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Ben Dover said:

OK, I can't stand it anymore. I agree that certain
stones are used because they retain heat well. This is a
reasonable belief.

What I can't stand anymore is the selling of massage
therapies based on their "energy" qualities.

There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can
be transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
potential energy related to mass and hardness and
position relative to gravity.

I talked to a geologist friend of mine who said that one
can measure the electrical resistance of rocks.

So as some are better or worse conductors of electricity,
and as the body has a bio-electric system, they may
facilitate the flow within in the receiver's body, and
from the giver to the receiver.

sue

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Ben Dover said:

OK, I can't stand it anymore. I agree that certain
stones are used because they retain heat well. This is a
reasonable belief.

What I can't stand anymore is the selling of massage
therapies based on their "energy" qualities.

There is no stinkin' ancient energy in a rock that can
be transferred to another object, other than kinetic and
potential energy related to mass and hardness and
position relative to gravity.

I talked to a geologist friend of mine who said that one
can measure the electrical resistance of rocks.

So as some are better or worse conductors of electricity,
and as the body has a bio-electric system, they may
facilitate the flow within in the receiver's body, and
from the giver to the receiver.

sue

Very true Sue. As a practitioner of Warm/Hot Stone massage,
among other modalities, I find it's a good treatment but
that the "energy" aspect is often hyped up too much. Now
before anyone tells me that energy work is effective...I
know that. I'm a Reiki Master and do energy work. With that
said I find that the stones do vary somewhat in energy
potential, but that the energy is not so much an "ancient
energy". What I believe is.....the stones are a focus point
for the therapists energy as well as a heat (energy) source.
This also goes to another post in this thread that points
out that quartz crystals used in watches and clocks have
energy....actually a small charge is run through the
crystals to get them to vibrate at their particular
frequency which is measured as a standard reference. The
point? The energy in Warm/Hot Stone massage is primarily
that of the therapist and most people are so disconnected
from their bodies they don't usually notice it consciously.

Ben Crabtree, RMT, MTI, CNMT San Antonio, Texas
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An interesting question. Is she a nutcase? No, she's a
person who is desperate for hope and will buy anything
that anyone offers as a cure or otherwise regarding her
efforts to cling to her precious life.

What I'm annoyed with is massage therapists trying to sell
magic and mystery to clients. Whether someone wants to
irrationally choose to believe in magic and mystery is a
separate topic.

Still, there's no law against selling snake oil to
desperate people unless the line of fraud is crossed.
Fortunately, or unfortunately, language is amorphous
enough in it's constructs to allow people to sell snake
oil without crossing the line, legally.

If your client feels that ancient energies from other
universes have helped her through her trials and
tribulations, then more power to her! Side note: I don't
think my original reply was directed at your client.

Ben

I was using her as an example, I know you weren't directing
anything to her.

T