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  1. Woman who sells a bread book lashes out at low carb diets. She managed
    to write a whole article without saying anything substantial.

    http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/07/16/the_carb_of_life?mode=PF

    The 'carb' of life

    By Susan V. Seligson | July 16, 2004

    THE EFFORT is overdue, but I was relieved to learn recently that the
    American Bakers' Association and the North American Millers'
    Association are planning a vigorous defense against the Atkins
    revolution. The Atkins-fueled "low-carb" crusade has grown so out of
    control that its logo -- that ubiquitous scarlet letter -- now lurks
    in every supermarket aisle except pet foods, as well as in television
    and print advertising. There's no escaping it. It's even turning up,
    heaven help us, on restaurant menus. A "low-carb" lunch menu? Get
    outta my face.

    The latest manifestation of Atkins madness is an avalanche of
    newfangled, oxymoronic foodstuffs that somehow manage to be both
    "carb" and not "carb." Low-carb breakfast cereals, muffins, mashed
    potatoes? When they sucked out the carbohydrate what exactly did they
    put in? Bones? I'm reminded of a popular brand of powdered lemonade
    mix, the label of which assures us that "This product contains no
    lemon."

    It doesn't particularly hit a nerve with me when anticarbohydrate
    zealots malign Cheese Doodles. But I'm sure there are at least a few
    people who won't accuse me of being a lunatic for asserting that when
    you demonize bread, you demean life itself. The bread industry's
    planned public relations blitz carries the still-tentative slogan,
    "Bread. It's Essential." I couldn't agree more. I would not want to
    live in a world without bread, and you shouldn't either.

    Bread captivates me for many reasons. But most of all I love bread
    because I never tire of traveling to new places to learn how people
    nourish their bodies and spirits, how they rejoice, mourn, and manage
    in the face of adversity. The native bread teaches us these things and
    more. Visit a village bakery or a matron tending a clay hearth to feed
    her family. Watch, listen, inhale -- the bread tells the most
    essential human stories.

    Whose memories are not leavened by the smell, taste, and feel of
    bread? Bread is deeply personal. Most cultures don't just prefer their
    signature bread, they require it. Visit immigrant enclaves in cities
    across America and you'll observe that at the very least, here are the
    trappings of a community: the church, mosque, or temple, and the
    bakery.

    Were I asked to distill the culture and spirit of a faraway place into
    one tangible object, it would be a hunk of bread. I never tire of its
    incarnations. A crusty baguette, a dense slab of black bread, a round
    of pita, chapati, country biscuits, matzo, lavasch -- these are a few
    of my favorite things. Whether I'm slogging up a mountain or snuggling
    against the cool leather of a long-distance train compartment, I've
    taken to keeping my pockets full of the local bread. And when I open
    my mind, heart, and palate to another culture, its bread is as
    resonant as the national tongue or currency.

    Bread is a form of currency. What other food approaches its variety
    and endurance? Consider the pleasure, pain, and general havoc
    attributable to the result of a simple union of flour, water, and
    salt. Throughout its 8,000-year history, bread's value has been
    measured in hope and despair, power and subjugation.

    Clerics sermonize on it, poets rhapsodize over it, beggars pine for
    it, and the masses agitate for it. Saints have been beatified in its
    name. Ever since the people of ancient Jericho baked crude cakes of
    wheat and barley in the desert sun, bread has been man's most
    persistent entitlement. People will suffer any number of indignities,
    but triple the price of bread and whether it's contemporary Jordan or
    18th-century France, they take to the streets in angry hordes.

    What food packs as much spiritual might as bread? Hindus visit temples
    with offerings of bread for their gods, Native Americans adorn
    themselves with ceremonial breads for harvest dances, Jews say a
    Sabbath blessing over the bread, Greek Orthodox break bread for Holy
    Communion. Both Muslims and Hindus consider it blasphemous to take a
    knife to bread. In Uzbekistan, when a family member ventures on a long
    journey or joins the army, he takes a bite out of a fresh "non" bread,
    hung on a hook and left untouched until his safe return, which he
    celebrates by sharing the bread with friends.

    My sweetest travel memories are of gathering with new friends for tea
    and bread fresh from wood-stoked hearths, clay ovens, a pit full of
    smooth hot stones, or once, among desert Bedouin, from the embers
    nestled in a patch of dry earth.

    And now bread is being relegated to the growing, if mercifully fickle,
    list of so-called "bad" foods. This is a terrible shame, and a notion
    that would be met by stunned disbelief in most parts of the world. The
    indispensability of bread is best expressed in Arabic -- "aysh." For
    in that language the words "bread" and "life" are the same.

    Susan V. Seligson is the author of "Going with the Grain: A Wandering
    Bread Lover Takes a Bite Out of Life."

  2. Wonder what her weight is...

    "Ignoramus26348" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Woman who sells a bread book lashes out at low carb diets. She managed
    to write a whole article without saying anything substantial.


    http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/07/16/the_carb_of_life?mode=PF

    Quoted message said:


    The 'carb' of life

    By Susan V. Seligson | July 16, 2004

    THE EFFORT is overdue, but I was relieved to learn recently that the
    American Bakers' Association and the North American Millers'
    Association are planning a vigorous defense against the Atkins
    revolution. The Atkins-fueled "low-carb" crusade has grown so out of
    control that its logo -- that ubiquitous scarlet letter -- now lurks
    in every supermarket aisle except pet foods, as well as in television
    and print advertising. There's no escaping it. It's even turning up,
    heaven help us, on restaurant menus. A "low-carb" lunch menu? Get
    outta my face.

    The latest manifestation of Atkins madness is an avalanche of
    newfangled, oxymoronic foodstuffs that somehow manage to be both
    "carb" and not "carb." Low-carb breakfast cereals, muffins, mashed
    potatoes? When they sucked out the carbohydrate what exactly did they
    put in? Bones? I'm reminded of a popular brand of powdered lemonade
    mix, the label of which assures us that "This product contains no
    lemon."

    It doesn't particularly hit a nerve with me when anticarbohydrate
    zealots malign Cheese Doodles. But I'm sure there are at least a few
    people who won't accuse me of being a lunatic for asserting that when
    you demonize bread, you demean life itself. The bread industry's
    planned public relations blitz carries the still-tentative slogan,
    "Bread. It's Essential." I couldn't agree more. I would not want to
    live in a world without bread, and you shouldn't either.

    Bread captivates me for many reasons. But most of all I love bread
    because I never tire of traveling to new places to learn how people
    nourish their bodies and spirits, how they rejoice, mourn, and manage
    in the face of adversity. The native bread teaches us these things and
    more. Visit a village bakery or a matron tending a clay hearth to feed
    her family. Watch, listen, inhale -- the bread tells the most
    essential human stories.

    Whose memories are not leavened by the smell, taste, and feel of
    bread? Bread is deeply personal. Most cultures don't just prefer their
    signature bread, they require it. Visit immigrant enclaves in cities
    across America and you'll observe that at the very least, here are the
    trappings of a community: the church, mosque, or temple, and the
    bakery.

    Were I asked to distill the culture and spirit of a faraway place into
    one tangible object, it would be a hunk of bread. I never tire of its
    incarnations. A crusty baguette, a dense slab of black bread, a round
    of pita, chapati, country biscuits, matzo, lavasch -- these are a few
    of my favorite things. Whether I'm slogging up a mountain or snuggling
    against the cool leather of a long-distance train compartment, I've
    taken to keeping my pockets full of the local bread. And when I open
    my mind, heart, and palate to another culture, its bread is as
    resonant as the national tongue or currency.

    Bread is a form of currency. What other food approaches its variety
    and endurance? Consider the pleasure, pain, and general havoc
    attributable to the result of a simple union of flour, water, and
    salt. Throughout its 8,000-year history, bread's value has been
    measured in hope and despair, power and subjugation.

    Clerics sermonize on it, poets rhapsodize over it, beggars pine for
    it, and the masses agitate for it. Saints have been beatified in its
    name. Ever since the people of ancient Jericho baked crude cakes of
    wheat and barley in the desert sun, bread has been man's most
    persistent entitlement. People will suffer any number of indignities,
    but triple the price of bread and whether it's contemporary Jordan or
    18th-century France, they take to the streets in angry hordes.

    What food packs as much spiritual might as bread? Hindus visit temples
    with offerings of bread for their gods, Native Americans adorn
    themselves with ceremonial breads for harvest dances, Jews say a
    Sabbath blessing over the bread, Greek Orthodox break bread for Holy
    Communion. Both Muslims and Hindus consider it blasphemous to take a
    knife to bread. In Uzbekistan, when a family member ventures on a long
    journey or joins the army, he takes a bite out of a fresh "non" bread,
    hung on a hook and left untouched until his safe return, which he
    celebrates by sharing the bread with friends.

    My sweetest travel memories are of gathering with new friends for tea
    and bread fresh from wood-stoked hearths, clay ovens, a pit full of
    smooth hot stones, or once, among desert Bedouin, from the embers
    nestled in a patch of dry earth.

    And now bread is being relegated to the growing, if mercifully fickle,
    list of so-called "bad" foods. This is a terrible shame, and a notion
    that would be met by stunned disbelief in most parts of the world. The
    indispensability of bread is best expressed in Arabic -- "aysh." For
    in that language the words "bread" and "life" are the same.

    Susan V. Seligson is the author of "Going with the Grain: A Wandering
    Bread Lover Takes a Bite Out of Life."

  3. "Julia Ludovico" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Wonder what her weight is...

    Wonder where she learned Arabic.
    In Arabic, bread is "khubz"; life is "Haya".
    They don't look the same to me.

    Quoted message said:

    "Ignoramus26348" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Woman who sells a bread book lashes out at low carb diets. She managed
    to write a whole article without saying anything substantial.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/07/16/the_carb_of_life?mode=PF

    Quoted message said:


    The 'carb' of life

    By Susan V. Seligson | July 16, 2004

    THE EFFORT is overdue, but I was relieved to learn recently that the
    American Bakers' Association and the North American Millers'
    Association are planning a vigorous defense against the Atkins
    revolution. The Atkins-fueled "low-carb" crusade has grown so out of
    control that its logo -- that ubiquitous scarlet letter -- now lurks
    in every supermarket aisle except pet foods, as well as in television
    and print advertising. There's no escaping it. It's even turning up,
    heaven help us, on restaurant menus. A "low-carb" lunch menu? Get
    outta my face.

    The latest manifestation of Atkins madness is an avalanche of
    newfangled, oxymoronic foodstuffs that somehow manage to be both
    "carb" and not "carb." Low-carb breakfast cereals, muffins, mashed
    potatoes? When they sucked out the carbohydrate what exactly did they
    put in? Bones? I'm reminded of a popular brand of powdered lemonade
    mix, the label of which assures us that "This product contains no
    lemon."

    It doesn't particularly hit a nerve with me when anticarbohydrate
    zealots malign Cheese Doodles. But I'm sure there are at least a few
    people who won't accuse me of being a lunatic for asserting that when
    you demonize bread, you demean life itself. The bread industry's
    planned public relations blitz carries the still-tentative slogan,
    "Bread. It's Essential." I couldn't agree more. I would not want to
    live in a world without bread, and you shouldn't either.

    Bread captivates me for many reasons. But most of all I love bread
    because I never tire of traveling to new places to learn how people
    nourish their bodies and spirits, how they rejoice, mourn, and manage
    in the face of adversity. The native bread teaches us these things and
    more. Visit a village bakery or a matron tending a clay hearth to feed
    her family. Watch, listen, inhale -- the bread tells the most
    essential human stories.

    Whose memories are not leavened by the smell, taste, and feel of
    bread? Bread is deeply personal. Most cultures don't just prefer their
    signature bread, they require it. Visit immigrant enclaves in cities
    across America and you'll observe that at the very least, here are the
    trappings of a community: the church, mosque, or temple, and the
    bakery.

    Were I asked to distill the culture and spirit of a faraway place into
    one tangible object, it would be a hunk of bread. I never tire of its
    incarnations. A crusty baguette, a dense slab of black bread, a round
    of pita, chapati, country biscuits, matzo, lavasch -- these are a few
    of my favorite things. Whether I'm slogging up a mountain or snuggling
    against the cool leather of a long-distance train compartment, I've
    taken to keeping my pockets full of the local bread. And when I open
    my mind, heart, and palate to another culture, its bread is as
    resonant as the national tongue or currency.

    Bread is a form of currency. What other food approaches its variety
    and endurance? Consider the pleasure, pain, and general havoc
    attributable to the result of a simple union of flour, water, and
    salt. Throughout its 8,000-year history, bread's value has been
    measured in hope and despair, power and subjugation.

    Clerics sermonize on it, poets rhapsodize over it, beggars pine for
    it, and the masses agitate for it. Saints have been beatified in its
    name. Ever since the people of ancient Jericho baked crude cakes of
    wheat and barley in the desert sun, bread has been man's most
    persistent entitlement. People will suffer any number of indignities,
    but triple the price of bread and whether it's contemporary Jordan or
    18th-century France, they take to the streets in angry hordes.

    What food packs as much spiritual might as bread? Hindus visit temples
    with offerings of bread for their gods, Native Americans adorn
    themselves with ceremonial breads for harvest dances, Jews say a
    Sabbath blessing over the bread, Greek Orthodox break bread for Holy
    Communion. Both Muslims and Hindus consider it blasphemous to take a
    knife to bread. In Uzbekistan, when a family member ventures on a long
    journey or joins the army, he takes a bite out of a fresh "non" bread,
    hung on a hook and left untouched until his safe return, which he
    celebrates by sharing the bread with friends.

    My sweetest travel memories are of gathering with new friends for tea
    and bread fresh from wood-stoked hearths, clay ovens, a pit full of
    smooth hot stones, or once, among desert Bedouin, from the embers
    nestled in a patch of dry earth.

    And now bread is being relegated to the growing, if mercifully fickle,
    list of so-called "bad" foods. This is a terrible shame, and a notion
    that would be met by stunned disbelief in most parts of the world. The
    indispensability of bread is best expressed in Arabic -- "aysh." For
    in that language the words "bread" and "life" are the same.

    Susan V. Seligson is the author of "Going with the Grain: A Wandering
    Bread Lover Takes a Bite Out of Life."

  4. So why not go back even farther? ...to the beginning of time as we know
    it. I can't remember reading in Genesis anything about a Bisciut Tree
    growing in the Garden of Eden. Hmmm wonder what Adam and Eve used for
    bread?

    Faye

  5. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    So why not go back even farther? ...to the beginning of time as we know
    it. I can't remember reading in Genesis anything about a Bisciut Tree
    growing in the Garden of Eden. Hmmm wonder what Adam and Eve used for
    bread?

    Remember - though - they got in trouble for eating the "apple". Maybe that
    is why apples have higher carbs than other fruits.
    Diane

    Quoted message said:

    Faye

  6. I know a lot of people that eat bread only occasionally. I only ate bread
    maybe once every couple of months pre-LC and was constantly throwing out
    loaves that sat in my fridge for 3 months and had gone mouldy with only 2
    or 4 slices missing.
    Why on earth would it be "essential"?

    on 23 Jul 2004 18:12:17 GMT, Ignoramus26348
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [snipped]

    Quoted message said:

    "Bread. It's Essential." I couldn't agree more. I would not want to
    live in a world without bread, and you shouldn't either.


    [snipped]

    -----
    Bev

  7. In article said:

    I know a lot of people that eat bread only occasionally. I only ate bread
    maybe once every couple of months pre-LC and was constantly throwing out
    loaves that sat in my fridge for 3 months and had gone mouldy with only 2
    or 4 slices missing.

    Up until recently, I was eating one slice of bread per day.

    i

    Quoted message said:

    Why on earth would it be "essential"?

    on 23 Jul 2004 18:12:17 GMT, Ignoramus26348
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [snipped]

    Quoted message said:

    "Bread. It's Essential." I couldn't agree more. I would not want to
    live in a world without bread, and you shouldn't either.


    [snipped]

    Bev

  8. Diane Ball said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    So why not go back even farther? ...to the beginning of time as we know
    it. I can't remember reading in Genesis anything about a Bisciut Tree
    growing in the Garden of Eden. Hmmm wonder what Adam and Eve used for
    bread?

    Remember - though - they got in trouble for eating the "apple". Maybe that
    is why apples have higher carbs than other fruits.

    No mention of exactly what the fruit was in the bible.

    Pastorio

  9. "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    No mention of exactly what the fruit was in the bible.

    Doesn't the latest theory hold that it was a banana?

    --
    Bob
    Kanyak's Doghouse
    http://www.kanyak.com

  10. And now that you've stopped eating that slice per day, was it essential for
    you?

    Ignoramus26348 said:

    Up until recently, I was eating one slice of bread per day.

    -----
    Bev

  11. Quoted message said:

    Bev-Ann [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    I know a lot of people that eat bread only occasionally. I only ate bread
    maybe once every couple of months pre-LC and was constantly throwing out
    loaves that sat in my fridge for 3 months and had gone mouldy with only 2
    or 4 slices missing.
    Why on earth would it be "essential"?

    Yeah, that was me, too. Even before going low-carb, if bread had disappeared
    from the face of the earth, I wouldn't have noticed. Except maybe at
    restaurants, where the useless bread basket wouldn't be taking up space on the
    table.

    I think everyone's definition of "essential" differs. Before going low-carb, I
    would have considered sugar and pasta essential. Now I don't.

    Daria
    166/under 145/under 145
    sugar-free since 2/1/04
    low-carb since 2/17/04

  12. Opinicus said:

    "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    No mention of exactly what the fruit was in the bible.

    Doesn't the latest theory hold that it was a banana?

    Mango and strawberry would be more tempting IMHO.

  13. For me, it was pizza and pasta. And I don't miss them either.
    I think it's irresponsible for them to make the broad claim that bread is
    "essential for life". It might be essential for their pocketbooks because
    that's their "bread and butter" (pun intended :-) but it's not essential
    for anyone's life, at least in North America where other nutritionally
    dense foods are available.

    (DG511) said:

    I think everyone's definition of "essential" differs. Before going low-carb, I
    would have considered sugar and pasta essential. Now I don't.

    -----
    Bev

  14. Opinicus said:

    "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    No mention of exactly what the fruit was in the bible.

    Doesn't the latest theory hold that it was a banana?

    It looks like I've fallen way behind the thinking on it. The first
    thing I heard was date, then fig. Those Italian painters who did all
    that renaissance work used apples because they were familiar and
    looked good in a picture. But I'm of the impression they don't grow in
    the middle east very well.

    Then it was pomegranate.

    But the last thing I read was that it was all symbolic and the
    snake-Eve-apple connection was merely a parable to illustrate a point
    and didn't happen at all like it was detailed.

    I got stuck on pondering how they held on their fig leaves...

    Pastorio

  15. "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    No mention of exactly what the fruit was in the bible.


    Doesn't the latest theory hold that it was a banana?


    It looks like I've fallen way behind the thinking on it.


    The first

    Quoted message said:

    thing I heard was date, then fig.

    Banana := Yin
    Fig := Yang

    Kinda makes you wonder doesn't it?

    Quoted message said:

    Those Italian painters who did all
    that renaissance work used apples because they were


    familiar and

    Quoted message said:

    looked good in a picture. But I'm of the impression they


    don't grow in

    Quoted message said:

    the middle east very well.

    Not at all. Apples in Turkey (and we're the kindest of ME
    countries in every respect (TM)) are generally coarse and
    meally. (NB: There are extremely important *local*
    exceptions.) However if what's generally on offer were what
    Eve offered to Adam, the human race would never have got off
    the ground.

    Quoted message said:

    I got stuck on pondering how they held on their fig


    leaves...

    Proto-velcro of course.

    --
    Bob
    Kanyak's Doghouse
    http://www.kanyak.com

  16. Ignoramus26348 <[email hidden]> wrote:

    (Quoting an article on bread)

    Quoted message said:

    And now bread is being relegated to the growing, if mercifully fickle,
    list of so-called "bad" foods. This is a terrible shame, and a notion
    that would be met by stunned disbelief in most parts of the world.

    It is interesting that the majority of the population has been
    conditioned to believe that grains are 1) good for you, and 2)
    essential for good health.

    They are neither. In the nearly five years that I have not eaten any
    grain at all, I have experienced wonderful health improvements.

    --
    Howard Lee Harkness
    Texas Certified Concealed Handgun Instructor
    www.CHL-TX.com
    [email hidden]
    Low-cost Domain Registration and Hosting! www.Texas-Domains.com

  17. "Julia Ludovico" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Wonder what her weight is...

    She complains about 'anti-carb zealots' then starts foaming at the
    mouth in her defence of bread. Who's the zealot here?

    Quoted message said:

    "Ignoramus26348" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Woman who sells a bread book lashes out at low carb diets. She managed
    to write a whole article without saying anything substantial.


    http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/07/16/the_carb_of_life?mode=PF

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