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  1. Hi

    Finally I have some more Oral GTT results
    (in graphical form) for you.
    http://www.venus.co.uk/~alec/t1/shiphen/shiphen_oGTT_03.gif [just 35KB]

    I knew you'd be pleased! (Esp. you Beav...) 😉

    Key to graphs:

    a) The magenta line
    This is all the NHS would give me (so far)
    A two hour, two point test, 75g of glucose (as Lucosade),
    tesing venous blood. 12 hour fast.
    Test date: today, 9/Jul/03

    b) The Blue line
    This is a detailed series of tests I did
    on myself using a hand held device,
    IN THE WAITING ROOM, during the NHS test above.
    Duration: 6 hours.
    Frequency: every 10 or 20 minutes.
    Testing capillary blood (finger [censored]).

    c) The Green Line
    This was another test by orthodox
    private medicine. Again, only 2 hours long
    but test frequency every 30 mins, this time.
    Test date: 27/June

    d) The Yellow Line
    My original 100g test.
    Suspiciously high "fasting" glucose
    (I bicycled to work albeit slowly...).
    Strange reactive spike of 10.8mm/L at
    2:45 hours.
    Test date: 14/May

    NHS Conclusions:
    "Normal - you dont have diabetis"

    My preliminary conclusions:

    1.
    I am pleased to see that my hand held meter
    is with a few %age point of the more accurate
    venus clinical measurements today.

    2.
    The blue graph goes less high and does so less fast
    than the (previous) yellow graph.

    Also there was no "reactive" kick after the 2 hour
    mark.

    This is good, perhaps my recent "hypoglycemic" diet has
    been paying dividents.

    However a) I ate 25% less glucose
    and b) it was in a different form today (Lucosade
    rather than dissolved glucose with added Vit-C
    from Boots) compared with 14th May 03.

    3. There was a sudden plunge at 2:50 of about 2.1 mmol/L
    which doesnt look too healthy.

    4. Also I'm not too sure if my BG should be going
    as high as 10.7!

    5. Less "bouncing around" during the latter stages of
    the test. Hopefully a good sign, though I am told
    that it would be better if my BG was a little higher
    say 5.5 to 6.5 towards the end of the test.

    ==> Any comments anyone?

    Ship
    Shiperton Henethe

    P.S. In case anyone is interested here are some other
    blood test measurements the private Endocrinologist
    requested:
    Sodium 142 mmol/L
    Potassium 3.8 mmol/L
    Urea 5.4 mmol/L
    Creatinine 78 umol/L
    Haemoglobin Alc 5.1 %
    Calcium 2.38 mmol/L
    Corrected Calc 2.34 mmol/L
    Albumin 45 g/L
    Urine Glucose nil
    Testosterone 17.0 nmol/l
    Cortisol 309 nmol/L

    P.P.S. Any why havent I seen my private Endocrinologist
    for his words of wisdom, yet. Because despite taking
    a booking to see me this week, it turns out that he's
    on holiday. Again.

    PPPS Please excuse the degree of cross-posting, but all you guys
    seem to have something relevant to say...

    <end>

  2. Blue & Magenta seem to say the same thing.

    No comment otherwise.

  3. Shiperton Henethe said:

    Hi

    Finally I have some more Oral GTT results
    (in graphical form) for you.

    They show NOTHING NEW ... and the advice I gave you when you
    first posted still stands ... eat frequent snacks with moderate
    fat and protein and high complex carbohydrates (6-8 a day instead
    of meals), avoid caffeine, alcohol and concentrated sweets, get
    moderate exercise AND STOP FRETTING ABOUT IT!

    It takes sevreal months of this regimen to stabilize blood sugar
    and calm down an overactive pancreas.

    Tsu

    --
    To doubt everything or to believe everything
    are two equally convenient solutions; both
    dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    - Jules Henri Poincaré

  4. Quoted message said:

    moderate exercise AND STOP FRETTING ABOUT IT!

    Boll*x to that!

    What (for e.g.) about about Dave's
    point about heavy metal poisoning?!!

    The correct medical procedure is
    1. Work out what illness you have
    2. Work out how bad it is
    3. See if there is any obvious cause for the illness
    4. Set about curing it.

    Fine. I already have adjusted my diet.
    But it hasnt made much difference yet.
    And I am not about to ruin many, many months of my life
    on a strict regimen of not drinking, and making
    sure I eat 19 times a day (yes I exaggerate)
    based purely on an amateur diagnosis.

    Martin L Budd ("Low Blood Sugar" book) says that
    there are various specific food supplements
    all of which might help.

    Also there are things that can be done directly
    to support your glands. For example
    if the real cause is partly hypothyroidism
    then one can take Thyro Complex (Nutri),
    T-lyph (Bovine Thyroid - Nutri),
    Core Level Adrenal (Nutri)...

    But if I am stiff with the heavy metals, then
    I presume I need to try and get rid of the
    bast*rds! I could waste my entire life
    eating lentils and home-nitted whole meal
    yoghurt and still feel like [censored]!

    Ship

    "Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Shiperton Henethe said:

    Hi

    Finally I have some more Oral GTT results
    (in graphical form) for you.

    They show NOTHING NEW ... and the advice I gave you when you
    first posted still stands ... eat frequent snacks with moderate
    fat and protein and high complex carbohydrates (6-8 a day instead
    of meals), avoid caffeine, alcohol and concentrated sweets, get
    moderate exercise AND STOP FRETTING ABOUT IT!

    It takes sevreal months of this regimen to stabilize blood sugar
    and calm down an overactive pancreas.

    Tsu

    --
    To doubt everything or to believe everything
    are two equally convenient solutions; both
    dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    - Jules Henri Poincaré

  5. By the way am I right in thinking
    that the blue/magenta graphs also prove
    "hypoglycemia" i.e. that eating glucose
    drives my sugar levels low...

    Thus presumably indicating an over-active
    but slow responding insulin response.
    The sharp drop of over 2 mmol/L just before
    the two hour mark presumably also indicates
    something not working right...

    Ship
    Shiperton Henethe

    "Wesley Groleau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Blue & Magenta seem to say the same thing.

    No comment otherwise.

  6. Shiperton Henethe said:
    Quoted message said:

    moderate exercise AND STOP FRETTING ABOUT IT!

    Boll*x to that!

    What (for e.g.) about about Dave's
    point about heavy metal poisoning?!!

    The correct medical procedure is
    1. Work out what illness you have
    2. Work out how bad it is
    3. See if there is any obvious cause for the illness
    4. Set about curing it.

    Quoted message said:

    Fine. I already have adjusted my diet.
    But it hasnt made much difference yet.

    It takes several months for the frequent meals to start making a
    difference. And the rate of imprivement is directly related to
    how rigidly you follow the snacking and eschewing of "bad stuff"
    (note, I'm a medical technologost, and I've personally been there
    and done that with hypoglycemia ... I know how the test are done
    and whatthe normal curves look like.

    Quoted message said:

    And I am not about to ruin many, many months of my life
    on a strict regimen of not drinking, and making
    sure I eat 19 times a day (yes I exaggerate)
    based purely on an amateur diagnosis.

    So you would rather stay hypoglycemic and [censored] about it?

    Quoted message said:

    Martin L Budd ("Low Blood Sugar" book) says that
    there are various specific food supplements
    all of which might help.

    So follow the book's suggestions if you think they are superior.

    Tsu

    --
    To doubt everything or to believe everything
    are two equally convenient solutions; both
    dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    - Jules Henri Poincaré

  7. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Finally I have some more Oral GTT results
    (in graphical form) for you.

    They show NOTHING NEW ... and the advice I gave you when you
    first posted still stands ... eat frequent snacks with moderate
    fat and protein and high complex carbohydrates (6-8 a day instead
    of meals), avoid caffeine, alcohol and concentrated sweets, get
    moderate exercise AND STOP FRETTING ABOUT IT!

    It takes sevreal months of this regimen to stabilize blood sugar
    and calm down an overactive pancreas.

    Tsu

    Just to get really clear about this
    what features about my (blue) graph tell me it's not normal?

    Would a UK medic accept it as evidence of hypoglycemia?

    Ship

  8. This is all well and good, but have any formal
    studies been don of Panax Ginseng?

    Ship

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Did you know that Panax Ginseng is an adaptogen? One of its medicinal
    properties
    is to stabilize blood sugars.
    Panax Ginseng is decribed in some detail at http://www.glowlife.com/.

    "Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Shiperton Henethe said:

    Hi

    Finally I have some more Oral GTT results
    (in graphical form) for you.

    They show NOTHING NEW ... and the advice I gave you when you
    first posted still stands ... eat frequent snacks with moderate
    fat and protein and high complex carbohydrates (6-8 a day instead
    of meals), avoid caffeine, alcohol and concentrated sweets, get
    moderate exercise AND STOP FRETTING ABOUT IT!

    It takes sevreal months of this regimen to stabilize blood sugar
    and calm down an overactive pancreas.

    Tsu

    --
    To doubt everything or to believe everything
    are two equally convenient solutions; both
    dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    - Jules Henri Poincaré

  9. Yes, about 300 formal studies have been done for many aspects of ginseng.
    Some
    bits are referenced on my website.

    I put my story on my website. The story is way longer than I detailed. My
    naturopath
    who is also an MD orders my blood tests. He identified the fact that I had
    heavy metal
    poisoning and also that my insulin level was at 200. 100 is normal. In the 7
    weeks that
    I have been taking this Panax Ginseng that level is now 160.

    "Shiperton Henethe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    This is all well and good, but have any formal
    studies been don of Panax Ginseng?

    Ship

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Did you know that Panax Ginseng is an adaptogen? One of its medicinal
    properties
    is to stabilize blood sugars.
    Panax Ginseng is decribed in some detail at http://www.glowlife.com/.

    "Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Shiperton Henethe" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Hi
    >
    >Finally I have some more Oral GTT results
    >(in graphical form) for you.

    They show NOTHING NEW ... and the advice I gave you when you
    first posted still stands ... eat frequent snacks with moderate
    fat and protein and high complex carbohydrates (6-8 a day instead
    of meals), avoid caffeine, alcohol and concentrated sweets, get
    moderate exercise AND STOP FRETTING ABOUT IT!

    It takes sevreal months of this regimen to stabilize blood sugar
    and calm down an overactive pancreas.

    Tsu

    --
    To doubt everything or to believe everything
    are two equally convenient solutions; both
    dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    - Jules Henri Poincaré

  10. A quiz!

    Have any formal studies been perform that support your sales pitch?

    [ ] Yes
    [ ] No

    URL for the studies:

    Dave said:

    Yes, about 300 formal studies have been done for many aspects of ginseng.
    Some
    bits are referenced on my website.

    I put my story on my website. The story is way longer than I detailed. My
    naturopath
    who is also an MD orders my blood tests. He identified the fact that I had
    heavy metal
    poisoning and also that my insulin level was at 200. 100 is normal. In the 7
    weeks that
    I have been taking this Panax Ginseng that level is now 160.

    "Shiperton Henethe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    This is all well and good, but have any formal
    studies been don of Panax Ginseng?

    Ship

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Did you know that Panax Ginseng is an adaptogen? One of its medicinal
    properties
    is to stabilize blood sugars.
    Panax Ginseng is decribed in some detail at http://www.glowlife.com/.

    "Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    >"Shiperton Henethe" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Hi
    >>
    >>Finally I have some more Oral GTT results
    >>(in graphical form) for you.
    >
    >They show NOTHING NEW ... and the advice I gave you when you
    >first posted still stands ... eat frequent snacks with moderate
    >fat and protein and high complex carbohydrates (6-8 a day instead
    >of meals), avoid caffeine, alcohol and concentrated sweets, get
    >moderate exercise AND STOP FRETTING ABOUT IT!
    >
    >It takes sevreal months of this regimen to stabilize blood sugar
    >and calm down an overactive pancreas.
    >
    >Tsu
    >
    >--
    >To doubt everything or to believe everything
    >are two equally convenient solutions; both
    >dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    >- Jules Henri Poincaré


  11. Quoted message said:


    Just to get really clear about this
    what features about my (blue) graph tell me it's not normal?

    Would a UK medic accept it as evidence of hypochondria?

    Ship


    Yes he would.

    -----------------------------------------------------
    "Thats All Folks"

    Mel Blanc's Epitaph
    -----------------------------------------------------

  12. Shiperton Henethe said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What (for e.g.) about about Dave's
    point about heavy metal poisoning?!!

    Interesting.
    -Did you ever work out what caused your hypoglycemia?

    Yes ... self-inflicted by crappy diet. Too high in sweets and
    caffeine, too long between meals.

    Quoted message said:

    -How affectively have you cured yourself now?
    (e.g. Are you able "to eat, drink and be merry"
    without suffering like Hell afterwards?)

    It's controllable, NOT curable. I can eat moderately from any
    food group I want to. However, if I do too much of the sweet and
    caffienated stuff without enough fats and proteins I will crash
    and burn.

    If you want a magical cure that will enable you to revert to the
    lifestyle that got you in this condition ... fat chance. Magic
    beans don't exist.

    Quoted message said:

    -Did you ever test yourself for heavy metals?

    Why ... the closest I've come to lead poisoning was in Las Vegas,
    when some idiot shot up the ER trying to finish a gun battle that
    had started on the strip. I heard someone yell "He's got a gun!"
    and hit the floor. He managed to shoot up the place without
    hitting any humans, compressed gas tanks, or expensive equipment.

    Tsu

    --
    To doubt everything or to believe everything
    are two equally convenient solutions; both
    dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    - Jules Henri Poincaré

  13. Yes but have formal studies been done on *Panax* Ginseng?
    If so what's the difference between it and any other
    sort of Ginseng... ?

    Ship

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, about 300 formal studies have been done for many aspects of ginseng.
    Some
    bits are referenced on my website.

    I put my story on my website. The story is way longer than I detailed. My
    naturopath
    who is also an MD orders my blood tests. He identified the fact that I had
    heavy metal
    poisoning and also that my insulin level was at 200. 100 is normal. In the


    7

    Quoted message said:

    weeks that
    I have been taking this Panax Ginseng that level is now 160.

    "Shiperton Henethe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    This is all well and good, but have any formal
    studies been don of Panax Ginseng?

    Ship

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Did you know that Panax Ginseng is an adaptogen? One of its medicinal
    properties
    is to stabilize blood sugars.
    Panax Ginseng is decribed in some detail at http://www.glowlife.com/.

    "Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > "Shiperton Henethe" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    > >Hi
    > >
    > >Finally I have some more Oral GTT results
    > >(in graphical form) for you.
    >
    > They show NOTHING NEW ... and the advice I gave you when you
    > first posted still stands ... eat frequent snacks with moderate
    > fat and protein and high complex carbohydrates (6-8 a day instead
    > of meals), avoid caffeine, alcohol and concentrated sweets, get
    > moderate exercise AND STOP FRETTING ABOUT IT!
    >
    > It takes sevreal months of this regimen to stabilize blood sugar
    > and calm down an overactive pancreas.
    >
    > Tsu
    >
    > --
    > To doubt everything or to believe everything
    > are two equally convenient solutions; both
    > dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    > - Jules Henri Poincaré

  14. Hypothyroid is apparently about as contentious as
    hypoglycemia it seems. [Sigh!]

    Well, my thyroid levels were:

    FT4 13.3
    TSH 1.2

    My understanding is that these values are within
    the "normal" range as far as UK medics are concerned.
    End of story.

    No so my Naturopath. (How did you guess!)

    My body temperature first in the morning
    is distinctly low according to the Barnes Test.

    It has been averaging 36.3 to 36.4 instead of the
    ideal 37.0 [?]).

    Also I suspiciously requiring of blankets at
    night...

    Anyhow my naturopath is confident that I am
    hypothoid and has been giving me T-Lyph
    (containing Bovine thyroid extract) and
    Thyro-complex from Nutri to tacke this.

    Ship

    P.S. Fwiw, I'm also on "Core level adrenal"
    and "Hypo-D",from Nutri, plus "Bio Magnesium"
    and "Mineral Complex" from BioCare to tackle
    my Hypoglycemia & digestion...

    "bnd777" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Funny but many Hypothyroid patients get tested for GTT before their
    Hypothyroid is diagnosed
    Happened to me

    Hypothyroid affects every single hormone system in the body giving crazy
    results

    "Shiperton Henethe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi

    Finally I have some more Oral GTT results
    (in graphical form) for you.
    http://www.venus.co.uk/~alec/t1/shiphen/shiphen_oGTT_03.gif [just 35KB]

    I knew you'd be pleased! (Esp. you Beav...) 😉

    Key to graphs:

    a) The magenta line
    This is all the NHS would give me (so far)
    A two hour, two point test, 75g of glucose (as Lucosade),
    tesing venous blood. 12 hour fast.
    Test date: today, 9/Jul/03

    b) The Blue line
    This is a detailed series of tests I did
    on myself using a hand held device,
    IN THE WAITING ROOM, during the NHS test above.
    Duration: 6 hours.
    Frequency: every 10 or 20 minutes.
    Testing capillary blood (finger [censored]).

    c) The Green Line
    This was another test by orthodox
    private medicine. Again, only 2 hours long
    but test frequency every 30 mins, this time.
    Test date: 27/June

    d) The Yellow Line
    My original 100g test.
    Suspiciously high "fasting" glucose
    (I bicycled to work albeit slowly...).
    Strange reactive spike of 10.8mm/L at
    2:45 hours.
    Test date: 14/May

    NHS Conclusions:
    "Normal - you dont have diabetis"

    My preliminary conclusions:

    1.
    I am pleased to see that my hand held meter
    is with a few %age point of the more accurate
    venus clinical measurements today.

    2.
    The blue graph goes less high and does so less fast
    than the (previous) yellow graph.

    Also there was no "reactive" kick after the 2 hour
    mark.

    This is good, perhaps my recent "hypoglycemic" diet has
    been paying dividents.

    However a) I ate 25% less glucose
    and b) it was in a different form today (Lucosade
    rather than dissolved glucose with added Vit-C
    from Boots) compared with 14th May 03.

    3. There was a sudden plunge at 2:50 of about 2.1 mmol/L
    which doesnt look too healthy.

    4. Also I'm not too sure if my BG should be going
    as high as 10.7!

    5. Less "bouncing around" during the latter stages of
    the test. Hopefully a good sign, though I am told
    that it would be better if my BG was a little higher
    say 5.5 to 6.5 towards the end of the test.

    ==> Any comments anyone?

    Ship
    Shiperton Henethe

    P.S. In case anyone is interested here are some other
    blood test measurements the private Endocrinologist
    requested:
    Sodium 142 mmol/L
    Potassium 3.8 mmol/L
    Urea 5.4 mmol/L
    Creatinine 78 umol/L
    Haemoglobin Alc 5.1 %
    Calcium 2.38 mmol/L
    Corrected Calc 2.34 mmol/L
    Albumin 45 g/L
    Urine Glucose nil
    Testosterone 17.0 nmol/l
    Cortisol 309 nmol/L

    P.P.S. Any why havent I seen my private Endocrinologist
    for his words of wisdom, yet. Because despite taking
    a booking to see me this week, it turns out that he's
    on holiday. Again.

    PPPS Please excuse the degree of cross-posting, but all you guys
    seem to have something relevant to say...

    <end>

  15. Dave makes the profit.

    Shiperton Henethe said:


    Yes but have formal studies been done on *Panax* Ginseng?
    If so what's the difference between it and any other
    sort of Ginseng... ?

    Ship

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, about 300 formal studies have been done for many aspects of ginseng.
    Some
    bits are referenced on my website.

    I put my story on my website. The story is way longer than I detailed. My
    naturopath
    who is also an MD orders my blood tests. He identified the fact that I had
    heavy metal
    poisoning and also that my insulin level was at 200. 100 is normal. In the


    7

    Quoted message said:

    weeks that
    I have been taking this Panax Ginseng that level is now 160.

    "Shiperton Henethe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    This is all well and good, but have any formal
    studies been don of Panax Ginseng?

    Ship

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    >
    > Did you know that Panax Ginseng is an adaptogen? One of its medicinal
    > properties
    > is to stabilize blood sugars.
    > Panax Ginseng is decribed in some detail at http://www.glowlife.com/.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    > > "Shiperton Henethe" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >
    > > >Hi
    > > >
    > > >Finally I have some more Oral GTT results
    > > >(in graphical form) for you.
    > >
    > > They show NOTHING NEW ... and the advice I gave you when you
    > > first posted still stands ... eat frequent snacks with moderate
    > > fat and protein and high complex carbohydrates (6-8 a day instead
    > > of meals), avoid caffeine, alcohol and concentrated sweets, get
    > > moderate exercise AND STOP FRETTING ABOUT IT!
    > >
    > > It takes sevreal months of this regimen to stabilize blood sugar
    > > and calm down an overactive pancreas.
    > >
    > > Tsu
    > >
    > > --
    > > To doubt everything or to believe everything
    > > are two equally convenient solutions; both
    > > dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    > > - Jules Henri Poincaré
    >
    >


  16. Today, many different kinds and qualities of ginseng are cultivated in
    China, Korea, Japan, America, Canada, Thailand and Russia.The efficacies of
    ginseng depend on the method of cultivation, the length time it is given to
    grow and ripen, soil, climate and the method employed to process it. The
    most prized ginseng of them all is known as Korean-Chinese Panax Ginseng.
    This is due to a set of climatic and soil conditions of those regions that
    are most conducive to ginseng cultivation. Ginseng requires six years to
    fully mature. Since the ginseng root absorbs all of the available nutrients
    from the soil it grows in, the land of this region is left idle for 15 years
    to replenish the nutrients before another planting occurs. The use of only
    natural fertilizers and the devotion of these Korean-Chinese farmers has
    made their ginseng world famous.

    Korean-Chinese Panax Ginseng is considered medicinally genuine and it is
    considered the "King of all Herbs" because of its powerful ability to absorb
    all of the nutrients in the soil.

    With 3000 years of use, there have been many scientific studies done. The
    following are
    scientifically documented effects:

    Purifies the blood of toxins; inhibits tumor growth
    Helps the body to pass poisons more rapidly (very useful during
    chemotherapy)
    Increases production of red blood cells
    Lowers "bad" cholesterol (LDL)
    Increases "good" cholesterol (HDL)
    Lowers high blood pressure
    Normalizes stress conditions; mental endurance; nerve tonic
    Lowers high blood sugar by heat, cold and abnormal physical exertion and
    activates insulin secretion; decreases sugar craving; stabilizes sugar
    levels
    Prevents cellular damage from oxidation and free radical damage
    Stimulates intestinal digestion and absorption ability
    Improves nerve growth and nerve transmission
    Calms the mind, controls the Central Nervous System
    Increases physical stamina and restores vigor and vitality
    Strengthens and protects the immune system; boosts white cell activity
    Balances and feeds all of the body systems thereby restoring health

    In 1969 a Soviet scientist named Dr. Brekhman did some studies with ginseng
    and was the first to coin the term "adaptogen". Panax Ginseng is an
    adaptogenic herb. Adaptogenic herbs support all the major systems: nervous
    system, hormonal system and immune system. By normalizing our bodily
    functions, adaptogens help maintain the stable internal environment known as
    homeostasis. In order for our body parts to work efficiently, the
    concentrations of water, food substances, and oxygen (as well as the
    conditions of heat and pressure) must remain within certain very narrow
    limits.

    By helping body parts remain in balance, adaptogens can help us have more
    energy and greater health. It will, when the body needs it, be calming and
    help relieve stress, mental fatigue and weakness. It is beneficial to blood
    pressure (high or low). An antidote to many toxic drugs and chemicals,
    protects the body against radiation, helps vision, hearing, reduces
    irritability, and produces strength to the adrenal glands.

    Courtesy: http://www.glowlife.com/

    "Shiperton Henethe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Yes but have formal studies been done on *Panax* Ginseng?
    If so what's the difference between it and any other
    sort of Ginseng... ?

    Ship

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Yes, about 300 formal studies have been done for many aspects of


    ginseng.

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    Some
    bits are referenced on my website.

    I put my story on my website. The story is way longer than I detailed.


    My

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    naturopath
    who is also an MD orders my blood tests. He identified the fact that I


    had

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    heavy metal
    poisoning and also that my insulin level was at 200. 100 is normal. In


    the

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    7

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    weeks that
    I have been taking this Panax Ginseng that level is now 160.

    "Shiperton Henethe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    This is all well and good, but have any formal
    studies been don of Panax Ginseng?

    Ship

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >
    > Did you know that Panax Ginseng is an adaptogen? One of its


    medicinal

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    > properties
    > is to stabilize blood sugars.
    > Panax Ginseng is decribed in some detail at


    http://www.glowlife.com/.

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    > "Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > > "Shiperton Henethe" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >
    > > >Hi
    > > >
    > > >Finally I have some more Oral GTT results
    > > >(in graphical form) for you.
    > >
    > > They show NOTHING NEW ... and the advice I gave you when you
    > > first posted still stands ... eat frequent snacks with moderate
    > > fat and protein and high complex carbohydrates (6-8 a day instead
    > > of meals), avoid caffeine, alcohol and concentrated sweets, get
    > > moderate exercise AND STOP FRETTING ABOUT IT!
    > >
    > > It takes sevreal months of this regimen to stabilize blood sugar
    > > and calm down an overactive pancreas.
    > >
    > > Tsu
    > >
    > > --
    > > To doubt everything or to believe everything
    > > are two equally convenient solutions; both
    > > dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    > > - Jules Henri Poincaré
    >
    >

  17. "Shiperton Henethe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hypothyroid is apparently about as contentious as
    hypoglycemia it seems. [Sigh!]

    Well, my thyroid levels were:

    FT4 13.3
    TSH 1.2

    My understanding is that these values are within
    the "normal" range as far as UK medics are concerned.
    End of story.

    No so my Naturopath. (How did you guess!)

    My body temperature first in the morning
    is distinctly low according to the Barnes Test.

    It has been averaging 36.3 to 36.4 instead of the
    ideal 37.0 [?]).

    Also I suspiciously requiring of blankets at
    night...

    Anyhow my naturopath is confident that I am
    hypothoid and has been giving me T-Lyph
    (containing Bovine thyroid extract) and
    Thyro-complex from Nutri to tacke this.

    Ship

    P.S. Fwiw, I'm also on "Core level adrenal"
    and "Hypo-D",from Nutri, plus "Bio Magnesium"
    and "Mineral Complex" from BioCare to tackle
    my Hypoglycemia & digestion...


    The word hypochondria keeps flitting across my mind

  18. "Shiperton Henethe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hypothyroid is apparently about as contentious as
    hypoglycemia it seems. [Sigh!]

    Well, my thyroid levels were:

    FT4 13.3
    TSH 1.2

    My understanding is that these values are within
    the "normal" range as far as UK medics are concerned.
    End of story.


    Don't be too disappointed - none of us would want you to develop
    hyperdisappointedness.
    D

  19. Dave said:

    Courtesy: http://www.GD-lowlife.com/

    What a load of manure.

  20. On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:16:43 +0100, "Doug" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "Shiperton Henethe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hypothyroid is apparently about as contentious as
    hypoglycemia it seems. [Sigh!]

    Well, my thyroid levels were:

    FT4 13.3
    TSH 1.2

    My understanding is that these values are within
    the "normal" range as far as UK medics are concerned.
    End of story.


    Don't be too disappointed - none of us would want you to develop
    hyperdisappointedness.
    D

    Or hypo-disappointedness

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