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"One of the two authors concedes that there is no smoking
gun in the extract or in the full book to prove that
Armstrong, a 32-year-old Texan, engaged in doping. .
"'It's all circumstantial evidence,' David Walsh, an Irish
sportswriter for The Sunday Times of London, said in a
telephone interview from Portugal, where he is covering
the Euro 2004 soccer tournament. His co-author is Pierre
Ballester, a Frenchman who formerly reported for L'Equipe,
the daily sports newspaper. . "'We don't actually prove
anything,' Walsh said. 'We just set out the facts and let
the reader decide for himself who's telling the truth. But
we do give names for every accusation.'"

There are a significant number of people sitting in
prisons who could tell us about the effects of
circumstantial evidence.

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"One of the two authors concedes that there is no smoking
gun in the extract or in the full book to prove that
Armstrong, a 32-year-old Texan, engaged in doping. .
"'It's all circumstantial evidence,' David Walsh, an
Irish sportswriter for The Sunday Times of London, said
in a telephone interview from Portugal, where he is
covering the Euro 2004 soccer tournament. His co-author
is Pierre Ballester, a Frenchman who formerly reported
for L'Equipe, the daily sports newspaper. . "'We don't
actually prove anything,' Walsh said. 'We just set out
the facts and let the reader decide for himself who's
telling the truth. But we do give names for every
accusation.'"

There are a significant number of people sitting in
prisons who could tell us about the effects of
circumstantial evidence.

O.J. doesn't happen to be one of them.

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"One of the two authors concedes that there is no
smoking gun in the extract or in the full book to prove
that Armstrong, a 32-year-old Texan, engaged in doping.
. "'It's all circumstantial evidence,' David Walsh, an
Irish sportswriter for The Sunday Times of London, said
in a telephone interview from Portugal, where he is
covering the Euro 2004 soccer tournament. His co-author
is Pierre Ballester, a Frenchman who formerly reported
for L'Equipe, the daily sports newspaper. . "'We don't
actually prove anything,' Walsh said. 'We just set out
the facts and let the reader decide for himself who's
telling the truth. But we do give names for every
accusation.'"

There are a significant number of people sitting in
prisons who could tell us about the effects of
circumstantial evidence.

O.J. doesn't happen to be one of them.

True. Although he was found guilty of wrongful death in a
civil action; circumstantial but a different level of proof
to convict.

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"One of the two authors concedes that there is no smoking
gun in the extract or in the full book to prove that
Armstrong, a 32-year-old Texan, engaged in doping. .
"'It's all circumstantial evidence,' David Walsh, an Irish
sportswriter for The Sunday Times of London, said in a
telephone interview from Portugal, where he is covering
the Euro 2004 soccer tournament. His co-author is Pierre
Ballester, a Frenchman who formerly reported for L'Equipe,
the daily sports newspaper. . "'We don't actually prove
anything,' Walsh said. 'We just set out the facts and let
the reader decide for himself who's telling the truth. But
we do give names for every accusation.'"

What facts? Allegations only from what has been posted.

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. "'We don't actually prove anything,' Walsh said. 'We
just set out the facts and let the reader decide for
himself who's telling the truth. But we do give names for
every accusation.'"

Interesting. This is exactly the same thing Art Bell and
George Noory say when asked why they interview people who
have been abducted by aliens or talk about re-incarnation.

"the juice" gives the families of the people he murdered $1000 per year
based on the $30+ million settlement that they won in civil court. yet they
can not touch his $20,000+ per month pension given to him by the NFL.
something is not right here and the court look into how simpson is stiffing
the families of the 2 people that he murdered.
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> "One of the two authors concedes that there is no
> smoking gun in the extract or in the full book to
> prove that Armstrong, a 32-year-old Texan, engaged in
> doping. . "'It's all circumstantial evidence,' David
> Walsh, an Irish sportswriter for The Sunday Times of
> London, said in a telephone interview from Portugal,
> where he is covering the Euro 2004 soccer tournament.
> His co-author is Pierre Ballester, a Frenchman who
> formerly reported for L'Equipe, the daily sports
> newspaper. . "'We don't actually prove anything,'
> Walsh said. 'We just set out the facts and let the
> reader decide for himself who's telling the truth.
> But we do give names for every accusation.'"

There are a significant number of people sitting in
prisons who could tell us about the effects of
circumstantial evidence.

O.J. doesn't happen to be one of them.

True. Although he was found guilty of wrongful death in a
civil action; circumstantial but a different level of
proof to convict.

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"One of the two authors concedes that there is no smoking
gun in the extract or in the full book to prove that
Armstrong, a 32-year-old Texan, engaged in doping. .
"'It's all circumstantial evidence,' David Walsh, an Irish
sportswriter for The Sunday Times of London, said in a
telephone interview from Portugal, where he is covering
the Euro 2004 soccer tournament. His co-author is Pierre
Ballester, a Frenchman who formerly reported for L'Equipe,
the daily sports newspaper. . "'We don't actually prove
anything,' Walsh said. 'We just set out the facts

[allegations]

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and let the reader decide for himself who's telling the
truth. But we do give names for every accusation.'"

In a not terribly altruistic attempt to make a buck.

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From: Richard Adams

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"'We don't actually prove anything,' Walsh said. 'We just
set out the facts

[allegations]

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and let the reader decide for himself who's telling the
truth. But we do give names for every accusation.'"

(Mr. Adams noted):

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In a not terribly altruistic attempt to make >a buck.

That and see if they can keep Lance from winning # 6. Note
the timing, that's obviously the real game here, noting the
alleged offences happened years ago. This book could have
been released at another time.

So, are the business dealings between authors and accusers
made obvious, or should we just draw our own conclusions?
IOW, how have Swart and O'Reilly been doing in the personal
income area of life? Is this in the "tell all" book, too?

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"'We don't actually prove anything,' Walsh said. 'We
just set out the facts.

"But what the hell, let's get the [censored] bucket and brush out
right before the Tour, maybe we can get him by innuendo
since we don't have any positive tests".

Much better translation than that babel stuff from the
French article (no notes or recorders and at least one
translation into a foreign language and another from French
back to English. But 1000% accurate, no doubt.)

Another aspect of the timing: Walsh is attacking not only
Armstrong but the Tour as well. Two scalps for his
journalistic belt. Lots of motivation there. --TP

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"'We don't actually prove anything,' Walsh said. 'We
just set out the facts

[allegations]

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and let the reader decide for himself who's telling the
truth. But we do give names for every accusation.'"

(Mr. Adams noted):

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In a not terribly altruistic attempt to make >a buck.

That and see if they can keep Lance from winning # 6. Note
the timing,

that's

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obviously the real game here, noting the alleged offences
happened years

ago.

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This book could have been released at another time.

No, it couldn't. It hardly ever happens in Europa that a
book on cycling in Europa is not released one or two month
before the Tour. That's the only time of the year book
stores are willing to order them.

Benjo Maso

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> "One of the two authors concedes that there is no
> smoking gun in the extract or in the full book to
> prove that Armstrong, a 32-year-old Texan, engaged in
> doping. . "'It's all circumstantial evidence,' David
> Walsh, an Irish sportswriter for The Sunday Times of
> London, said in a telephone interview from Portugal,
> where he is covering the Euro 2004 soccer tournament.
> His co-author is Pierre Ballester, a Frenchman who
> formerly reported for L'Equipe, the daily sports
> newspaper. . "'We don't actually prove anything,'
> Walsh said. 'We just set out the facts and let the
> reader decide for himself who's telling the truth.
> But we do give names for every accusation.'"

There are a significant number of people sitting in
prisons who could tell us about the effects of
circumstantial evidence.

O.J. doesn't happen to be one of them.

True. Although he was found guilty of wrongful death in a
civil action; circumstantial but a different level of
proof to convict.

Right, and you use the incorrect word, "convict". I know you
are aware of this, but a victory in civil court is not a
"conviction".

This is a great time to point out that there are many
standards of proof and the standard of "beyond a reasonable
doubt" only applies to criminal courts while "a
preponderance of evidence" is enough of tort victory (civil
courts). I am going to state that I doubt anyone could win
against Armstrong by either standard based on the evidence
that I have seen. Still, the standard each of us has fore
our own beliefs has nothing to do with those standards that
I just mentioned. I would say there is enough evidence for
anyone to call Lance's integrity in to question. That seems
to me to be what the book is doing. Yes, it is sleazy but
let the public decide. I bet the book will come out in its
current form after some initial delays. All of the legal
wrangling will be (and is already I suppose) excellent
publicity for the publisher.

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Texan,

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engaged in doping. . "'It's all circumstantial
evidence,' David Walsh, an Irish sportswriter for The
Sunday Times of London, said in a telephone interview
from Portugal, where he is covering the Euro 2004 soccer
tournament. His co-author is Pierre Ballester, a
Frenchman who formerly reported for L'Equipe, the daily
sports newspaper. . "'We don't actually prove anything,'
Walsh said. 'We just set out the facts and let the
reader decide for himself who's telling the truth. But
we do give names for every accusation.'"

What facts? Allegations only from what has been posted.

There are also "facts" (his relationship with Ferrari is a
fact, and the substance of the relationship is not known,
but the basis of allegations). There are other "facts" and
allegations the flow from them. There are no conclusive
facts, and maybe that is what you meant to say.

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"the juice" gives the families of the people he murdered
$1000 per year based on the $30+ million settlement that
they won in civil court. yet

they

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can not touch his $20,000+ per month pension given to him
by the NFL. something is not right here and the court look
into how simpson is

stiffing

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the families of the 2 people that he murdered.

OK, so what would you change? I am happy they were able to
get any award at all. So many victims seem to assume that
the criminal courts are the only way to get at a crook. I
hope more victims start using the civil courts to go after
the scum bags that stay out of jail by virtue of their
"dream team" lawyers.

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>> extract or in the full book to prove that
>> Armstrong, a 32-year-old Texan, engaged in doping.
>> . "'It's all circumstantial evidence,' David Walsh,
>> an Irish sportswriter for The Sunday Times of
>> London, said in a telephone interview from
>> Portugal, where he is covering the Euro 2004 soccer
>> tournament. His co-author is Pierre Ballester, a
>> Frenchman who formerly reported for L'Equipe, the
>> daily sports newspaper. . "'We don't actually prove
>> anything,' Walsh said. 'We just set out

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> tell us about the effects of circumstantial
> evidence.

O.J. doesn't happen to be one of them.

True. Although he was found guilty of wrongful death in
a civil action; circumstantial but a different level of
proof to convict.

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Originally posted by Chris
There are also "facts" (his relationship with Ferrari is a
fact, and the substance of the relationship is not known,
but the basis of allegations). There are other "facts" and
allegations the flow from them. There are no conclusive
facts, and maybe that is what you meant to say.

Oh, the old "Joe citizen knows Mike Citizen, and Mike Citizen is a known sex offender, so Joe Citizen is therfore a sex offender by association" defense ........ I see .............

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No, it couldn't. It hardly ever happens in Europa that a
book on cycling

in

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Europa is not released one or two month before the Tour.
That's the only time of the year book stores are willing
to order them.

Benjo Maso

I was tempted to state the obvious, also, but you beat
me to it !
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Bonne route,

Sandy Paris FR

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This book could have been released at another time.

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No, it couldn't. It hardly ever happens in Europa that a
book on cycling

in

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Europa is not released one or two month before the Tour.
That's the only time of the year book stores are willing
to >order them.

I respecfully say that this is a "scandal" book,
coincidentally about

cycling,

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which would have sold to its public no matter what time of
the year it was released.

Perhaps, but book store keepers just dont' believe it. They
want books on cycling in june and july so that they make a
nice display, and not before, nor after. For instance, the
book on Anquetil's love life is a "scandal book" as well,
but of course it wasn't released before May. That's the way
it's going.

The question is how long the book has been prepared,
relating to the

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time elapsed since O'Reilly and Swart spoke with the
authors.

Completely irrelevant. Since the editor wouldn't have
released the book before may or june, there wouldn't have
been any reason for the writers to finish it month before.

I'm guessing they

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didn't exactly rush to press; that the timing is
deliberate. Hoping that

is

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part of the "tell all".

I admit that conspiracy theories are always much more
attractive than prosaic business considerations.

Benjo Maso

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> This book could have been released at another time.

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No, it couldn't. It hardly ever happens in Europa that a
book on cycling in Europa is not released one or two
month before the Tour. That's the only time of the year
book stores are willing to >order them.

I respecfully say that this is a "scandal" book,
coincidentally about cycling, which would have sold to
its public no matter what time of the year it was
released.

Perhaps, but book store keepers just dont' believe it.
They want books on cycling in june and july so that they
make a nice display, and not before, nor after. For
instance, the book on Anquetil's love life is a "scandal
book" as well, but of course it wasn't released before
May. That's the way it's going.

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Benjo Maso

There's also Baal's book which just came out.

'Tis the season.

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There's also Baal's book which just came out. 'Tis
the season.

But does it make one merry?

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"One of the two authors concedes that there is no smoking
gun in the extract or in the full book to prove that
Armstrong, a 32-year-old Texan, engaged in doping. .
"'It's all circumstantial evidence,' David Walsh, an Irish
sportswriter for The Sunday Times of London, said in a
telephone interview from Portugal, where he is covering
the Euro 2004 soccer tournament. His co-author is Pierre
Ballester, a Frenchman who formerly reported for L'Equipe,
the daily sports newspaper. . "'We don't actually prove
anything,' Walsh said. 'We just set out the facts and let
the reader decide for himself who's telling the truth. But
we do give names for every accusation.'"

They should place the microphone near his ass, what comes
out of there sounds and smells about the same.