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  1. Walmart looks to have holding pens for martial law
    http://www.tackamarks.freeservers.com/photo4.html

    "I honestly believe they are putting their toe in the water to see if
    people will go for martial law"--Michael Moore (Nov 3, 2003)

    and they made their money on importing Chinese drugs according to
    Skolsnick http://www.skolnicksreport.com/rcsp.html

    After several months of close study of building lay-outs, signage, and
    electronic technology, we are convinced that stores like Wal*mart,
    Target, Circuit City, Staples and other department stores in strip
    Malls and plazas, have already been coded inside and set up to be used
    by National Guard/UN personnel to carry-out "PROCESSING AND CONTROL
    OPERATIONS OF THE POPULACE"! Executive Order #11002 and #11004 under
    FEMA, during a declared National Emergency by the president, will
    direct the Postmaster General of the U.S. to begin immediately a
    national registration of all residents of the U.S. (Forced National
    I.D.) for the purpose of control, movement and relocation of the
    populace. We have evidence that barcoded, pictorial I.D. cards will be
    produced and issued at these sites and processed through "SWIPE/CARD
    KEY PADS" and LASER SCANNERS at checkouts. This only stands to reason,
    that if a forced National I.D. and registration is in the works, where
    will hundreds of thousands of citizens be shuttled to be processed?
    (WATCH THE FACILITIES WITH "ONE HR. PHOTO" PROCESSING, MORE THAN JUST
    PHOTOS WILL BE PROCESSED HERE!)
    (NOTE: The directory sign above the photo *center* in WAL*MART has
    these words: "INFANTS, KIDS, MEN, WOMEN/ CARDS".)
    The "tactical arrow codes" on this WAL*MART department directory sign
    have a secondary meaning. These codes are targeting the "GARDEN
    CENTER". If you have ever been to the GARDEN CENTER at WAL*MART you
    will know it is fitted with iron bars and chain link fencing, locking
    roll-down overhead doors, and locking exit with a register, scanner,
    and key-pad swipe/card console. It is our belief that the GARDEN
    CENTER will be a detention area where "dissidents" will be detained
    for further processing and then relocation. (CLICK ON WAL*MART PHOTO)
    These are tactical arrow codes found on road signs at "closed down"
    Kinchloe Air Force Base in Kinross, Michigan. It has been mysteriously
    converted into a prison complex that extends for two miles! The code
    is in the arrows.

  2. Thanks for the laugh, John. I really doubt that the National Guard and UN
    have the money to build thousands of Wal*Marts, Targets, etc. Nor would the
    UN be that worried about US National Security. The US already has a big
    army, air force and navy. Besides, if this were the case, why would they put
    Wal*Marts, Targets and Circuit Cities so close together?

    Perhaps the people who own and run these stores just want to make money for
    their stock holders.

    Perhaps you should talk to you psychiatrist about this. I bet if he adjusts
    your medication up a little, your paranoia would decrease.

    Jeff

  3. Wooooooooo, John!!! Take your meds.

    john said:

    Walmart looks to have holding pens for martial law
    http://www.tackamarks.freeservers.com/photo4.html

    "I honestly believe they are putting their toe in the water to see if
    people will go for martial law"--Michael Moore (Nov 3, 2003)

    and they made their money on importing Chinese drugs according to
    Skolsnick http://www.skolnicksreport.com/rcsp.html

    After several months of close study of building lay-outs, signage, and
    electronic technology, we are convinced that stores like Wal*mart,
    Target, Circuit City, Staples and other department stores in strip
    Malls and plazas, have already been coded inside and set up to be used
    by National Guard/UN personnel to carry-out "PROCESSING AND CONTROL
    OPERATIONS OF THE POPULACE"! Executive Order #11002 and #11004 under
    FEMA, during a declared National Emergency by the president, will
    direct the Postmaster General of the U.S. to begin immediately a
    national registration of all residents of the U.S. (Forced National
    I.D.) for the purpose of control, movement and relocation of the
    populace. We have evidence that barcoded, pictorial I.D. cards will be
    produced and issued at these sites and processed through "SWIPE/CARD
    KEY PADS" and LASER SCANNERS at checkouts. This only stands to reason,
    that if a forced National I.D. and registration is in the works, where
    will hundreds of thousands of citizens be shuttled to be processed?
    (WATCH THE FACILITIES WITH "ONE HR. PHOTO" PROCESSING, MORE THAN JUST
    PHOTOS WILL BE PROCESSED HERE!)
    (NOTE: The directory sign above the photo *center* in WAL*MART has
    these words: "INFANTS, KIDS, MEN, WOMEN/ CARDS".)
    The "tactical arrow codes" on this WAL*MART department directory sign
    have a secondary meaning. These codes are targeting the "GARDEN
    CENTER". If you have ever been to the GARDEN CENTER at WAL*MART you
    will know it is fitted with iron bars and chain link fencing, locking
    roll-down overhead doors, and locking exit with a register, scanner,
    and key-pad swipe/card console. It is our belief that the GARDEN
    CENTER will be a detention area where "dissidents" will be detained
    for further processing and then relocation. (CLICK ON WAL*MART PHOTO)
    These are tactical arrow codes found on road signs at "closed down"
    Kinchloe Air Force Base in Kinross, Michigan. It has been mysteriously
    converted into a prison complex that extends for two miles! The code
    is in the arrows.

  4. "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Walmart looks to have holding pens for martial law
    http://www.tackamarks.freeservers.com/photo4.html

    "I honestly believe they are putting their toe in the water to see if
    people will go for martial law"--Michael Moore (Nov 3, 2003)

    and they made their money on importing Chinese drugs according to
    Skolsnick http://www.skolnicksreport.com/rcsp.html

    After several months of close study of building lay-outs, signage, and
    electronic technology, we are convinced that stores like Wal*mart,
    Target, Circuit City, Staples and other department stores in strip
    Malls and plazas, have already been coded inside and set up to be used
    by National Guard/UN personnel to carry-out "PROCESSING AND CONTROL
    OPERATIONS OF THE POPULACE"! Executive Order #11002 and #11004 under
    FEMA, during a declared National Emergency by the president, will
    direct the Postmaster General of the U.S. to begin immediately a
    national registration of all residents of the U.S. (Forced National
    I.D.) for the purpose of control, movement and relocation of the
    populace. We have evidence that barcoded, pictorial I.D. cards will be
    produced and issued at these sites and processed through "SWIPE/CARD
    KEY PADS" and LASER SCANNERS at checkouts. This only stands to reason,
    that if a forced National I.D. and registration is in the works, where
    will hundreds of thousands of citizens be shuttled to be processed?
    (WATCH THE FACILITIES WITH "ONE HR. PHOTO" PROCESSING, MORE THAN JUST
    PHOTOS WILL BE PROCESSED HERE!)
    (NOTE: The directory sign above the photo *center* in WAL*MART has
    these words: "INFANTS, KIDS, MEN, WOMEN/ CARDS".)
    The "tactical arrow codes" on this WAL*MART department directory sign
    have a secondary meaning. These codes are targeting the "GARDEN
    CENTER". If you have ever been to the GARDEN CENTER at WAL*MART you
    will know it is fitted with iron bars and chain link fencing, locking
    roll-down overhead doors, and locking exit with a register, scanner,
    and key-pad swipe/card console. It is our belief that the GARDEN
    CENTER will be a detention area where "dissidents" will be detained
    for further processing and then relocation. (CLICK ON WAL*MART PHOTO)
    These are tactical arrow codes found on road signs at "closed down"
    Kinchloe Air Force Base in Kinross, Michigan. It has been mysteriously
    converted into a prison complex that extends for two miles! The code
    is in the arrows.

    Er, John, your tinfoil hat is leaking. Why don' t you take your medication
    and sit quietly for a while?

    --Rich

  5. "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:0u2dnY6Wv7LdVjqiRVn-
    [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Walmart looks to have holding pens for martial law
    http://www.tackamarks.freeservers.com/photo4.html

    "I honestly believe they are putting their toe in the water to see if
    people will go for martial law"--Michael Moore (Nov 3, 2003)

    and they made their money on importing Chinese drugs according to
    Skolsnick http://www.skolnicksreport.com/rcsp.html

    After several months of close study of building lay-outs, signage, and
    electronic technology, we are convinced that stores like Wal*mart,
    Target, Circuit City, Staples and other department stores in strip
    Malls and plazas, have already been coded inside and set up to be used
    by National Guard/UN personnel to carry-out "PROCESSING AND CONTROL
    OPERATIONS OF THE POPULACE"! Executive Order #11002 and #11004 under
    FEMA, during a declared National Emergency by the president, will
    direct the Postmaster General of the U.S. to begin immediately a
    national registration of all residents of the U.S. (Forced National
    I.D.) for the purpose of control, movement and relocation of the
    populace. We have evidence that barcoded, pictorial I.D. cards will be
    produced and issued at these sites and processed through "SWIPE/CARD
    KEY PADS" and LASER SCANNERS at checkouts. This only stands to reason,
    that if a forced National I.D. and registration is in the works, where
    will hundreds of thousands of citizens be shuttled to be processed?
    (WATCH THE FACILITIES WITH "ONE HR. PHOTO" PROCESSING, MORE THAN JUST
    PHOTOS WILL BE PROCESSED HERE!)
    (NOTE: The directory sign above the photo *center* in WAL*MART has
    these words: "INFANTS, KIDS, MEN, WOMEN/ CARDS".)
    The "tactical arrow codes" on this WAL*MART department directory sign
    have a secondary meaning. These codes are targeting the "GARDEN
    CENTER". If you have ever been to the GARDEN CENTER at WAL*MART you
    will know it is fitted with iron bars and chain link fencing, locking
    roll-down overhead doors, and locking exit with a register, scanner,
    and key-pad swipe/card console. It is our belief that the GARDEN
    CENTER will be a detention area where "dissidents" will be detained
    for further processing and then relocation. (CLICK ON WAL*MART PHOTO)
    These are tactical arrow codes found on road signs at "closed down"
    Kinchloe Air Force Base in Kinross, Michigan. It has been mysteriously
    converted into a prison complex that extends for two miles! The code
    is in the arrows.

    Er, John, your tinfoil hat is leaking. Why don' t you take your


    medication

    Quoted message said:

    and sit quietly for a while?

    --Rich

    Rich,

    We are priviledged. We are witnessing the emergence of another Francis E.
    Dec. The only thing lacking now is a mix of expose's on the Pope and a
    reference to "Gangster Computer God Worldwide Secret Containment Policy".
    See how many similarities you can find between whaleto-john's rants and
    the docs at http://home.pacifier.com/~dkossy/dec.html.

    r

    --
    Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

  6. SYSYPHUS' SISTER <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Wooooooooo, John!!! Take your meds.

    Scary stuff for you pyjama people, most vaccinators live in a dream
    world, but what do you expect when you imported all the nazis after
    the war like Mengele http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/Deeper.htm

    It is already obvious we live in Fascist states

    "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism since it is the
    merger of state and corporate power."--Benito Mussolini

    cheers!

  7. [email hidden] (john) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Walmart looks to have holding pens for martial law
    http://www.tackamarks.freeservers.com/photo4.html

    "I honestly believe they are putting their toe in the water to see if
    people will go for martial law"--Michael Moore (Nov 3, 2003)

    and they made their money on importing Chinese drugs according to
    Skolsnick http://www.skolnicksreport.com/rcsp.html

    After several months of close study of building lay-outs, signage, and
    electronic technology, we are convinced that stores like Wal*mart,
    Target, Circuit City, Staples and other department stores in strip
    Malls and plazas, have already been coded inside and set up to be used
    by National Guard/UN personnel to carry-out "PROCESSING AND CONTROL
    OPERATIONS OF THE POPULACE"!

    COMMENT:

    How surprising to find that John@whale is a full-on paranoid
    schizophrenic, not just an odd bloke with a few fixed delusions about
    vaccines and medical subjects.

    Not.

    SBH

  8. [email hidden] (Steve Harris [email hidden])
    wrote in

    Quoted message said:

    COMMENT:

    How surprising to find that John@whale is a full-on paranoid
    schizophrenic, not just an odd bloke with a few fixed delusions about
    vaccines and medical subjects.

    Not.

    SBH

    Comment. How surprising to see SB Bullshiter Harris surface with his
    main argument--ad hominem. I don't believe it myself HArris, but if
    you can just check out Walmart for me to see if it is true then I can
    form an opinion.

    There is no doubt if there was any hanky panky you would be up to your
    neck in it. Making me wrong makes you right--called Surfac Simile.
    So making me into a loony makes you out to be right and having
    something to hide. But that is simple psychology. And we both know
    you allopaths have lots to hide, don't we. Even before we get into
    the "loony" stuff like fascism, and you have a fascist state there, in
    case anyone hasn't noticed.

    cheers

    john

  9. [email hidden] (Steve Harris [email hidden])
    wrote in

    Quoted message said:


    How surprising to find that John@whale is a full-on paranoid
    schizophrenic, not just an odd bloke with a few fixed delusions about
    vaccines and medical subjects.

    Not.

    SBH

    Surfac Simile:Making others wrong to make you right. This tends to
    hide the fact you are wrong (usually to yourself mainly). If you can
    push the other person into an emotional state with your making wrong
    then they will never see the ploy, as you can't reason in an emotional
    state. Most ad hominem is based around this concept. Allopaths are
    keen on this as allopath is only successful as it is a monopoly with
    control of the media through its other cartels. Allopaths is based on
    lies and shifting sand. 98% of drugs are useless, like vaccines, but
    cause most of the disease.

    john

    "The planet is being controlled, to an alarming extent, by elites, or,
    as I call them, cartels. There are many cartels, but 7 are the most
    powerful. They evolve, they learn from one another, they both compete
    and cooperate. Unfortunately, the trend is more towards cooperation.
    These 7 cartels represent the following areas: GOVERNMENT, MILITARY,
    INTELLIGENCE, ENERGY, MONEY, MEDIA, AND MEDICAL.....I came to this map
    of cartels through my own research on the medical monopoly. That's
    where it started, in 1986. .. Once you understand these cartel
    elites, you can begin to separate out information into loose layers of
    importance, as in, which layer of the control game are we talking
    about? Because it's all about layers. And at most layers, the
    players are forwarding agendas which they do not realize fit into
    higher and more destructive agendas."--Jon Rappoport

  10. "Steve Harris [email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    (...)

    Quoted message said:


    How surprising to find that John@whale is a full-on paranoid
    schizophrenic, not just an odd bloke with a few fixed delusions about
    vaccines and medical subjects.

    Actually, the surprising part is that, considering his degree of paranoia,
    John is able to pretty consistantly post things on the internet that make
    sense in his world. However, his postings and his website consistantly show
    a lack of ability to understand material. Got to love that prefrontal
    cortex. Unfortunately, John's is not functioning that well. But the meds
    seem to help.

    Jeff

    Quoted message said:


    Not.

    SBH

  11. Dear John:

    When was the last time the Greys visited you? And did they do the ECT
    tx again??

    Better double up on the meds, my friend.

    john said:

    [email hidden] (Steve Harris [email hidden])
    wrote in

    Quoted message said:

    How surprising to find that John@whale is a full-on paranoid
    schizophrenic, not just an odd bloke with a few fixed delusions about
    vaccines and medical subjects.

    Not.

    SBH

    Surfac Simile:Making others wrong to make you right. This tends to
    hide the fact you are wrong (usually to yourself mainly). If you can
    push the other person into an emotional state with your making wrong
    then they will never see the ploy, as you can't reason in an emotional
    state. Most ad hominem is based around this concept. Allopaths are
    keen on this as allopath is only successful as it is a monopoly with
    control of the media through its other cartels. Allopaths is based on
    lies and shifting sand. 98% of drugs are useless, like vaccines, but
    cause most of the disease.

    john

    "The planet is being controlled, to an alarming extent, by elites, or,
    as I call them, cartels. There are many cartels, but 7 are the most
    powerful. They evolve, they learn from one another, they both compete
    and cooperate. Unfortunately, the trend is more towards cooperation.
    These 7 cartels represent the following areas: GOVERNMENT, MILITARY,
    INTELLIGENCE, ENERGY, MONEY, MEDIA, AND MEDICAL.....I came to this map
    of cartels through my own research on the medical monopoly. That's
    where it started, in 1986. .. Once you understand these cartel
    elites, you can begin to separate out information into loose layers of
    importance, as in, which layer of the control game are we talking
    about? Because it's all about layers. And at most layers, the
    players are forwarding agendas which they do not realize fit into
    higher and more destructive agendas."--Jon Rappoport

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    john said:

    [email hidden] (Steve Harris [email hidden])
    wrote in

    Quoted message said:

    COMMENT:

    How surprising to find that John@whale is a full-on paranoid
    schizophrenic, not just an odd bloke with a few fixed delusions about
    vaccines and medical subjects.

    Not.

    SBH

    Comment. How surprising to see SB Bullshiter Harris surface with his
    main argument--ad hominem. I don't believe it myself HArris, but if
    you can just check out Walmart for me to see if it is true then I can
    form an opinion.

    Such as it is. However, it is not a matter of opinion that the piece
    was totally off-topic for the newsgroups to which it was posted. I
    assume John's particular form of insanity makes him incapable of
    posting to anything other than his usual five newsgroups.

    Quoted message said:

    There is no doubt if there was any hanky panky you would be up to your
    neck in it.

    Oh, that makes sense. Harris as a tool of the political
    establishment.

    Quoted message said:

    Making me wrong makes you right--called Surfac Simile.

    No, John, you're just crazy.

    Quoted message said:

    So making me into a loony makes you out to be right and having
    something to hide. But that is simple psychology. And we both know
    you allopaths have lots to hide, don't we. Even before we get into
    the "loony" stuff like fascism, and you have a fascist state there, in
    case anyone hasn't noticed.

    For more of the Scudamore Non-Sequiteur Festival, just keep reading
    his postings.

    Ever notice how John will post a burst of material, then we don't hear
    from him for a long time? I've theorized that this is because his
    volubility is the last stage in a cycle that ends with him being
    forcibly removed to some room with padded walls. Then eventually they
    let him out, and then he goes on line, and the cycle repeats.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  13. [email hidden] (Steve Harris [email hidden])
    wrote in

    Quoted message said:

    COMMENT:

    How surprising to find that John@whale is a full-on paranoid
    schizophrenic, not just an odd bloke with a few fixed delusions about
    vaccines and medical subjects.

    Not.

    SBH

    Funny how you trotted out that label. I guess you are an
    "Establishment" medico. After all you cover up the man made AIDS
    reality.

    "For many years, they were able to shut-up and quietly discard their
    programmed multiples by labelling them Paranoid schizophrenics....
    Establishment shrinks helped cover up the programmed multiplicity for
    decades by labelling the programmed-multiple slaves "paranoid
    schizophrenics".---Fritz Springmeier
    http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/Deeper.htm

  14. [email hidden] (john) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Comment. How surprising to see SB Bullshiter Harris surface with his
    main argument--ad hominem. I don't believe it myself HArris, but if
    you can just check out Walmart for me to see if it is true then I can
    form an opinion.

    I'm in Walmart all the time and I've failed to notice the sercret
    detention centers in them. There are Walmarts all around the world.
    What, isn't there one near you in the U.K.? Or maybe the ones in the
    U.K. don't have signs with direction arrows on them? Like maybe this
    is only a U.S. thing?

    Quoted message said:

    There is no doubt if there was any hanky panky you would be up to your
    neck in it.

    Why sure, John. Being part of the international conspiracy as I am.

    Quoted message said:

    Making me wrong makes you right--called Surfac Simile.
    So making me into a loony makes you out to be right and having
    something to hide. But that is simple psychology. And we both know
    you allopaths have lots to hide, don't we. Even before we get into
    the "loony" stuff like fascism, and you have a fascist state there, in
    case anyone hasn't noticed.

    Really? If *I* live in a fascist state, how come I have a pretty nice
    legal gun collection, including all kinds of pistols and semiautomatic
    weapons, whereas you live in a place where the laws keep you more or
    less helpless? I'm the one that can buy all kinds of megadose
    vitamins, herbs and whatnot without a prescription, remember?

    When I flew into Heathrow in London in 1977 I got a patdown search
    which still outstrips anything that goes on today in U.S. airports,
    even after all the increased security post 9/11. So if it's
    state-fascism you're looking for, I figure you Brits are *at least* 30
    years ahead of us in the U.S.. What, you say you were having an Irish
    problem back then? Well, we all have our excuses.

    SBH

  15. "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Steve Harris [email hidden])
    wrote in

    Quoted message said:

    COMMENT:

    How surprising to find that John@whale is a full-on paranoid
    schizophrenic, not just an odd bloke with a few fixed delusions about
    vaccines and medical subjects.

    Not.

    SBH

    Comment. How surprising to see SB Bullshiter Harris surface with his
    main argument--ad hominem.

    Actually, he is interpreting your behaviors. I beleive he is correct when he
    states your beliefs are delusional.

    Quoted message said:

    I don't believe it myself HArris, but if
    you can just check out Walmart for me to see if it is true then I can
    form an opinion.

    I can only speak for myself. In haven't been in Walmarts much, but I don't
    beleive that your conclusions are true of Target. Besides, I own some of
    Target (some of the mutual funds own shares of Target, I probably own about
    5 shares, or about 0.0000001% of the store). So I doubt they are fronts for
    the Natinal Guard or UN. Rather, money making machines for their stock
    owners.

    All the best,

    Jeff

    Quoted message said:

    There is no doubt if there was any hanky panky you would be up to your
    neck in it. Making me wrong makes you right--called Surfac Simile.
    So making me into a loony makes you out to be right and having
    something to hide. But that is simple psychology. And we both know
    you allopaths have lots to hide, don't we. Even before we get into
    the "loony" stuff like fascism, and you have a fascist state there, in
    case anyone hasn't noticed.

    cheers

    john

  16. see below

    Jeff said:

    "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Steve Harris [email hidden])
    wrote in

    Quoted message said:

    COMMENT:

    How surprising to find that John@whale is a full-on paranoid
    schizophrenic, not just an odd bloke with a few fixed delusions about
    vaccines and medical subjects.

    Not.

    SBH

    Comment. How surprising to see SB Bullshiter Harris surface with his
    main argument--ad hominem.

    Actually, he is interpreting your behaviors. I beleive he is correct when he
    states your beliefs are delusional.

    Quoted message said:

    I don't believe it myself HArris, but if
    you can just check out Walmart for me to see if it is true then I can
    form an opinion.

    I can only speak for myself. In haven't been in Walmarts much, but I don't
    beleive that your conclusions are true of Target. Besides, I own some of
    Target (some of the mutual funds own shares of Target, I probably own about
    5 shares, or about 0.0000001% of the store). So I doubt they are fronts for
    the Natinal Guard or UN. Rather, money making machines for their stock
    owners.

    All the best,

    Jeff

    Quoted message said:

    There is no doubt if there was any hanky panky you would be up to your
    neck in it. Making me wrong makes you right--called Surfac Simile.
    So making me into a loony makes you out to be right and having
    something to hide. But that is simple psychology. And we both know
    you allopaths have lots to hide, don't we. Even before we get into
    the "loony" stuff like fascism, and you have a fascist state there, in
    case anyone hasn't noticed.

    cheers

    john

    Since the founder of WALLMART died the ROCKERELLERS have taken
    over WALLMART...the store NEVER allows anyone to work LONG enough
    to retire much less pay a retirement pension of ANY kind! B-0b1

  17. [email hidden] (Steve Harris [email hidden])
    wrote in

    Quoted message said:


    I'm in Walmart all the time and I've failed to notice the sercret
    detention centers in them. There are Walmarts all around the world.
    What, isn't there one near you in the U.K.? Or maybe the ones in the
    U.K. don't have signs with direction arrows on them? Like maybe this
    is only a U.S. thing?

    I always took you for a walmart kind of guy. We don't have walmart
    here, and the martial law thing seems to be a US thing. Must be all
    of those underground bases and nazis you were keen on after the war.
    And the Bush family financing the nazis, even during the war.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Why sure, John. Being part of the international conspiracy as I am.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Making me wrong makes you right--called Surfac Simile.

    Quoted message said:


    Really? If *I* live in a fascist state, how come I have a pretty nice
    legal gun collection, including all kinds of pistols and semiautomatic
    weapons, whereas you live in a place where the laws keep you more or
    less helpless?

    The gun thing is the ONLY thing that has kept them on the leach. Why
    do you think you have all of those school killings and similar
    things--to take the guns off you. They would love to disarm the
    militia.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm the one that can buy all kinds of megadose
    vitamins, herbs and whatnot without a prescription, remember?

    Not for long. As a doc you can buy non-allopathic medicine? Great,
    maybe you will use it, the drugs don't work

    Quoted message said:


    When I flew into Heathrow in London in 1977 I got a patdown search
    which still outstrips anything that goes on today in U.S. airports,
    even after all the increased security post 9/11. So if it's
    state-fascism you're looking for, I figure you Brits are *at least* 30
    years ahead of us in the U.S.. What, you say you were having an Irish
    problem back then? Well, we all have our excuses.

    Airports, you don't believe all that terrorist propaganda [censored]? The
    Bin Ladens are friends of the Bush gang. He went around after 9/11
    collecting them up and flew them back to Saudi---even Michael Moore
    knows that. I guess you never read that in the NYT. Its funny how
    they were all Saudis but you went to war with Iraq using that as an
    excuse. Even funnier is some huge % of americans think they found WMD
    and that Sadam financed Bin Liner. Just shows how easy it is to
    brainwash people with no brains. How many of you folks know where
    Europe is?

    john

  18. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Ever notice how John will post a burst of material, then we don't hear
    from him for a long time? I've theorized that this is because his
    volubility is the last stage in a cycle that ends with him being
    forcibly removed to some room with padded walls. Then eventually they
    let him out, and then he goes on line, and the cycle repeats.

    Two words - Peak and Trough.

    --
    CBI, MD

  19. [email hidden] (Steve Harris [email hidden])
    wrote in

    Quoted message said:


    Really? If *I* live in a fascist state, how come I have a pretty nice
    legal gun collection, including all kinds of pistols and semiautomatic
    weapons, whereas you live in a place where the laws keep you more or
    less helpless? I'm the one that can buy all kinds of megadose
    vitamins, herbs and whatnot without a prescription, remember?

    Rense.com

    Warning To The World
    About The New America
    By Baldknobber
    11-7-3

    For years I have told Americans to wake up and see what was happening
    to
    their country before it was too late for America. Now it is time for
    me to tell
    the world to wake up about America before it is too late for them.
    I have been aware of a disturbing change in the US government for the
    last 12
    years. It seems that the world has slept through this change and does
    not
    realize what America has become. I will outline some major problems,
    go into
    specific subjects and cite examples of how America has changed, yes,
    we are indeed
    no longer free. Much of what is written in this report is from my own
    personal experience.
    This is a warning to the world to watch out for the new America.
    America is
    no longer the moral guardian you knew it to be, in recent years
    America has
    become a tyrant unprecedented.
    Control Of Media
    The American press can no longer be trusted. When the Government
    passed the
    Telecommunications act of 1996, it allowed consolidation of the media
    and
    control of all information received by the people to a small group of
    sources. This
    showed itself as large media mergers and virtually all information was
    soon
    controlled by the same small group of people. In June of 2003
    additional
    legislation was passed which now allows all the news to be controlled
    from a single
    source. The day I typed this I called CN8 live, a national cable news
    program
    to speak on the air. They took my personal information including name,
    address
    and phone number. They then hung up and called me back to verify that
    I
    really was at that address. They then said something that scared me
    half to death,
    They said that if I did not stay on subject and say what I told them I
    would
    say that they would "notify the authorities". I am someone who has
    called news
    programs frequently in the past, and that never happened before. Itís
    obviously a new policy. So much for a free press.
    Police Brutality
    I know a man who manages a store close to where I live. His brother
    has a
    sixteen year old boy and seven year old girl. Outside his brotherís
    house some
    police were beating a man who was laying down on the road and not
    fighting back.
    The sixteen year old opened the window and shouted at the police,
    telling
    them that they were doing too much and that they did not need to beat
    the man so
    hard.
    They did not let up, instead they kicked in the door to the house and
    assaulted the boy. So now they were beating up the man on the street
    and beating up
    the kid in the house. The seven year old girl ran to the officer who
    kicked in
    the door and tried pulling him off her brother. The officer pushed her
    away so
    hard that she hit the wall and broke her arm. It never made the news.
    This is
    not an isolated incident, it is the new America. Contrast this with
    the
    glossy happy-go-lucky "police are great and accountable for their
    actions" media
    coverage on shows like Real TV and "Cops", there is much more to the
    truth than
    we are allowed to see.
    In the past I had heard stories like this from strangers but did not
    believe
    them until I heard it from someone I knew well. Indeed the foreign
    governments
    who have started to call the US a police state are much more correct
    than
    they realize. I am waiting for them to have the courage to say it
    without
    retracting comment.
    Asset Forfeiture
    America has a new policy towards personal property called "asset
    forfeiture".
    This is the act of confiscating property without a trial. The way it
    works is
    this: The police accuse you of a crime and take whatever they say you
    had in
    your possession when the alleged crime was committed. This could be a
    vehicle
    such as a boat or car, or a computer, or even your house. You have to
    go to
    court to prove your innocence to get it back, and if you win your case
    you have
    to pay a return fee which is usually 50% of the property value. If
    they take a
    car that was worth 12,000 you will have to pay 6,000 to get it back.
    If you c
    annot afford the 6,000 they will sell it at auction to "recover" their
    "funds". If you have a loan or mortgage on the property they sell at
    auction, you are
    still obligated to pay the bank for what you no longer have.
    This happens frequently and the evidence is easy to find. Go to Google
    and
    type the search term "US government auctions" or "asset forfeiture
    auction" or
    pick any state and add the word auction. The auctions are everywhere,
    selling
    property seized from people who were often judged by the courts
    innocent.
    If you are a property owner with tenants in a 200 room apartment
    complex and
    one of the tenants gets arrested in an apartment for possession of
    drugs or
    stolen property, or committing a crime such as calling a prostitute to
    his room,
    the city or state can take the apartment building away from the owner
    who was
    not involved in any way and say that the property committed the crime
    and
    therefore needed to be taken. Confiscation of large complexes has
    happened more
    than once, confiscation of single family rental houses and private
    homes is
    frequent.
    Forcing A Crime
    It has become common for a judge to force a crime. The way this is
    done is to
    issue a civil judgement that cannot possibly be implemented by the
    person the
    judgement is against. When the person the judgement is issued against
    fails
    to implement the judgement, a civil matter becomes criminal due to
    "contempt of
    court". This is commonplace in family law when a man is forced to pay
    ìchild
    supportî Child support judgements often leave a man with less than 20
    percent
    of his income after taxes, despite the 50% rule. This forces the
    person the
    judgement is against to make a decision - pay "child support" as
    ordered and
    suffer severe hardship, often including dependence on friends or being
    homeless
    or living in a car or camper, or get behind on "child support" and
    become a
    "criminal" due to contempt of court.
    Violation Of Ex Post Facto
    In the constitutional republic the United States used to be, there was
    a rule
    of ex post fato which prevented any government, be it federal state or
    local
    from writing retroactive laws. But since 1987 there has been a new and
    disturbing trend.
    The federal government along with many states and municipalities has
    started
    to write and enact retroactive laws. As an example, let's say that in
    1998 you
    painted your house and at that time it was legal to paint your house
    without
    a permit. If in 2003 your municipality writes a retroactive law that
    states
    that you now needed a permit to paint your house, and makes it
    retroactive to
    1995, you will be in violation and guilty of breaking the law in 1998.
    Retroactive laws are commonplace now and are usually enacted in the
    areas of
    taxes, family policy, and land usage. It is a frequent event now to
    have
    people suddenly discover they owe huge sums of money or are now
    subject to
    punishment for doing things that were legal when they did them.
    The public tolerance of the now commonplace violations of ex post
    facto has
    opened an avenue through which governmental bodies are prosecuting
    people for
    violations they did not commit, collecting taxes that were never owed
    and
    seizing properties which were "improperly used" in the past.
    Legislation Without Representation
    Starting in the late 1980's, most states authorized the practice of
    legislation without representation. It is standard practice now for
    un-elected people
    in state agencies to enact policy and write laws that were never voted
    on,
    approved, or asked for by the public. Legislation without
    representation often
    takes place in secret, with the public unaware of what is happening
    until the new
    law is put in place and enforced. This has removed accountability from
    government and allowed serious abusive practices to be implemented
    without the
    presence of any individual or group to be held accountable.
    My own personal experience with legislation without representation
    occurred
    when I calculated that over 80 percent of my income was being taken in
    taxes
    and "child support" for two children. I called the child support
    agency and
    asked them who wrote the laws that made such a thing possible. I
    wanted to know
    which senator, representative or other elected official was
    responsible for
    enacting such a draconian policy.
    The state agent replied: "The child support statutes were enacted by
    this
    child support agency and have nothing to do with elected officials. As
    for the
    individuals who write the policy, you are not permitted to know who is
    involved".
    This most serious practice, probably the one that has destroyed our
    freedom
    the most, is occurring everywhere through many avenues, not only
    "child
    support". Legislation without representation allows a corrupt
    government to thrive
    because the people who write the legislation are employees of the
    government who
    work in secret, will never be held accountable and cannot be voted out
    of
    office.
    In a democracy, the people can effect change by voting the people who
    are
    going against their will out of power. Legislation without
    representation
    circumvents the democratic process and takes the will of the people
    out of
    government. Due to the now common practice of legislation without
    representation,
    America can no longer be considered a true democracy.
    Road Closures
    In the back country they are closing down the roads to limit access.
    If you
    get caught riding even a bicycle on the road beyond the barrier,
    having left
    you car at the barrier, they will confiscate the bike, the car, and
    throw you in
    prison, and you will lose everything 100%. I was familiar with the
    back
    country of the intermountain west and noticed that around 1996 the
    road closures
    began to happen. I believe the closures are an attempt to
    de-familiarize the
    public with alternate routes of escape in the event of a police
    lockdown or
    martial law. They also closed down any road that led to safe water in
    remote
    regions. In High School, I had a German teacher who was alive during
    [censored]'s reign
    and she said that [censored] closed down access to the wilderness areas
    after the
    Reichstag was burned which proved to be an effective method of
    eliminating
    resistance from the portion of the population which did not agree with
    him. She
    warned us to never let it happen here.
    Road closures are usually done with very large immovable barriers such
    as
    boulders or trenches and signs warning of what will happen if you get
    caught
    attempting to travel beyond them.
    Citizen Spies
    In the name of fighting terrorism, the so-called "department of
    homeland
    security" has employed a network of citizen spies who may have in
    reality been
    hired to identify people who are upset with the new government
    policies. When the
    Reichstag was burned, [censored] also set up his network of citizen spies.
    Was
    Sep11 a Reichstag? One thing is certain, the videos you can download
    now are not
    the same as the ones I downloaded on Sep12. Immediately after Sep11
    they
    clearly showed explosives going off in sequence, bringing the
    buildings down in a
    perfect demolition wave. Most of the ones you can find now no longer
    show the
    explosions, they have been "photoshopped" out.
    Terror is a common tactic or excuse used by oppressive governments to
    get the
    people to give up their freedoms for a little bit of security. [censored]
    used
    this tactic after the burning of the Reichstag to justify the military
    actions
    he took in the opening days of World War II. To keep the population
    safe from
    terror, [censored] also employed his network of citizen spies who did
    little but
    turn their neighbors in for expressing dissenting views.
    Common Police Searches
    It has become commonplace now for police to stop people for no reason
    and
    search them. This began long before Sep11. This has happened to me
    personally
    three times, once at a roadblock, once when I was walking on my way to
    work, and
    once when I was sleeping in my van due to homelessness caused by a
    divorce. It
    would have happened many times, but I got good at spotting the
    roadblocks -
    just look for a traffic jam with evenly timed cars coming toward you
    in the
    opposite lane. Normally, the traffic jam would be long enough to allow
    me to pull
    a u-turn without being seen. I never did anything wrong, but I hate
    those
    road blocks.
    Anonymous Accusation
    In recent years, Federal, state and local law enforcement bodies have
    started
    arresting and punishing people due to anonymous accusations. Now when
    you
    show up in court you have no right to know who has accused you of a
    crime.
    Without any chance of any repercussions, individuals, groups and
    organizations now
    commonly issue accusations to get revenge, gain unfair advantage, or
    simply
    because they were going on assumption rather than actually being
    witness.
    The right to know your accuser was a cornerstone of American justice;
    it
    created an environment which brought accountability to legal
    prosecution. Without
    it, people are now going to jail, being fined, and losing their
    children in
    civil disputes without ever knowing why.
    http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_
    government&Number=1013010#Post1013010

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