Wally World BSO!

Ride-A-Lot said:

Just in time for all the ignorant cheap parents about to buy their kids
a BSO from Wally World for the holiday season:

http://www.walmartmovie.com/

A few LBS's in my area are showing this for free and then giving a
demonstration by the mechs on why BSO's should be avoided and why they
will not work on them. I am sure there's probably someone in your area
doing the same.

Check out "Big Box*Mart" http://www.jibjab.com/Home.aspx

Shawn

Ride-A-Lot said:

A few LBS's in my area are showing this for free and then giving a
demonstration by the mechs on why BSO's should be avoided and why they
will not work on them. I am sure there's probably someone in your area
doing the same.

Ride-A-Lot said:

A few LBS's in my area are showing this for free and then giving a
demonstration by the mechs on why BSO's should be avoided and why they
will not work on them. I am sure there's probably someone in your area
doing the same.

What's the demonstration? they ride one until it impales them?

If a few walmart stores in one state (Iowa) can replace 555
grocery stores, 298 hardware stores, 293 building supply stores,
161 variety stores, 158 women's apparel stores, 153 shoe stores, 116
drugstores, and 111 men's and boys'apparel stores, that's not a bad
thing, that's amazing economics and efficiency.

I realize that your focus, Ride-A-Lot, was on BSOs only, but you did
link to linguini-spined(liberal) sites that i wasted my time visiting,
and was left wondering a few things:

How could people call what wal-mart sells "chinese [censored]" yet complain
that their market share was taken by wal-mart? Weren't they selling
"[censored]" too? , or is it just that americans would rather buy "chinese
[censored]" than "american [censored]" Maybe *that* was the dissconnect for the
small busineses, not offering cheap chinese [censored] alongside the better
stuff.

Also, how could you blame the illegal immigration for the loss of your
job? What? You perform a job that doesn't even require you to speak
ENGLISH? How could an illegal alien possibly take your job if your job
requires you to speak ENGLISH?

my 0.02

x1134x

x1134x said:

Ride-A-Lot said:

A few LBS's in my area are showing this for free and then giving a
demonstration by the mechs on why BSO's should be avoided and why they
will not work on them. I am sure there's probably someone in your area
doing the same.

Ride-A-Lot said:

A few LBS's in my area are showing this for free and then giving a
demonstration by the mechs on why BSO's should be avoided and why they
will not work on them. I am sure there's probably someone in your area
doing the same.

What's the demonstration? they ride one until it impales them?

If a few walmart stores in one state (Iowa) can replace 555
grocery stores, 298 hardware stores, 293 building supply stores,
161 variety stores, 158 women's apparel stores, 153 shoe stores, 116
drugstores, and 111 men's and boys'apparel stores, that's not a bad
thing, that's amazing economics and efficiency.

I realize that your focus, Ride-A-Lot, was on BSOs only, but you did
link to linguini-spined(liberal) sites that i wasted my time visiting,
and was left wondering a few things:

How could people call what wal-mart sells "chinese [censored]" yet complain
that their market share was taken by wal-mart? Weren't they selling
"[censored]" too? , or is it just that americans would rather buy "chinese
[censored]" than "american [censored]" Maybe *that* was the dissconnect for the
small busineses, not offering cheap chinese [censored] alongside the better
stuff.

Also, how could you blame the illegal immigration for the loss of your
job? What? You perform a job that doesn't even require you to speak
ENGLISH? How could an illegal alien possibly take your job if your job
requires you to speak ENGLISH?

my 0.02

x1134x

Before you go spouting your mouth off, as you mentioned somewhere in
your dribble I was only talking about BSO's. I have a Wal-Mart located
..3 miles from my front door. I am not ashamed to admit that I shop
there frequently for:

Food Items
Cleaning Items
Dog Food
Stationary Items
Toys and Video Games for the Kids
Batteries
And CO2 Cartridges
I have also bought DOT4 oil for my hydro disc brakes

I am not against capitalism and certainly maximizing profits by
outsourcing to cheap labor is part of that equation. I do however, know
what is made to last and what is made like [censored].

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I am not against capitalism and certainly maximizing profits by
outsourcing to cheap labor is part of that equation. I do however, know
what is made to last and what is made like [censored].

And because of Walmart commodity items in the USA are pure [censored] now. If
you want something like a broom you either put up with some piece of [censored]
thing from Walmart that probably cost 50 cents to make or you buy a nice and
expensive broom if you can find one. There is no middle ground now. Just
like there will no longer be a middle class in the US in 10 years.

Greg

G.T. said:

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I am not against capitalism and certainly maximizing profits by
outsourcing to cheap labor is part of that equation. I do however, know
what is made to last and what is made like [censored].

And because of Walmart commodity items in the USA are pure [censored] now. If
you want something like a broom you either put up with some piece of [censored]
thing from Walmart that probably cost 50 cents to make or you buy a nice and
expensive broom if you can find one. There is no middle ground now. Just
like there will no longer be a middle class in the US in 10 years.

Greg

I agree. My brooms came from Home Depot (not that it's any better there).

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"G.T." There is no middle ground now. Just

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like there will no longer be a middle class in the US in 10 years.

Greg

which means in about 40 years poor people will be whooping ass on the upper
class as has been the case throughout history.

Gary (Trying to stay middle class)

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I am not against capitalism and certainly maximizing profits by
outsourcing to cheap labor is part of that equation. I do however, know
what is made to last and what is made like [censored].

And because of Walmart commodity items in the USA are pure [censored] now. If
you want something like a broom you either put up with some piece of [censored]
thing from Walmart that probably cost 50 cents to make or you buy a nice
and
expensive broom if you can find one.

Greg

Then design, manufacture, and market a better broom. If that's what people
really want -- as opposed to the cheap Wal Mart [censored] -- then you'll be a
millionaire in no time.

Basic microeconomics. You may be on to something.

Tom

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I am not against capitalism and certainly maximizing profits by
outsourcing to cheap labor is part of that equation. I do however, know
what is made to last and what is made like [censored].

And because of Walmart commodity items in the USA are pure [censored] now. If
you want something like a broom you either put up with some piece of [censored]
thing from Walmart that probably cost 50 cents to make or you buy a nice
and
expensive broom if you can find one.

Greg

Then design, manufacture, and market a better broom. If that's what
people really want -- as opposed to the cheap Wal Mart [censored] -- then you'll
be a millionaire in no time.

Basic microeconomics. You may be on to something.

Tom

If you did, Walmart would cut their prices so much they would put you out of
business, then use a look-a-like of your broom, made in China, from inferior
materials, cheap labor, maybe even buy your product name to put on their
[censored]. (Remember a few years ago they bought the GE name, not their
product, just the name so they could put it on their Chinese appliances so
people would think they were getting something of quality)

di said:

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> I am not against capitalism and certainly maximizing profits by
> outsourcing to cheap labor is part of that equation. I do however, know
> what is made to last and what is made like [censored].
>
And because of Walmart commodity items in the USA are pure [censored] now. If
you want something like a broom you either put up with some piece of [censored]
thing from Walmart that probably cost 50 cents to make or you buy a nice
and
expensive broom if you can find one.

Greg

Then design, manufacture, and market a better broom. If that's what
people really want -- as opposed to the cheap Wal Mart [censored] -- then you'll
be a millionaire in no time.

Basic microeconomics. You may be on to something.

Tom

If you did, Walmart would cut their prices so much they would put you out of
business, then use a look-a-like of your broom, made in China, from inferior
materials, cheap labor, maybe even buy your product name to put on their
[censored]. (Remember a few years ago they bought the GE name, not their
product, just the name so they could put it on their Chinese appliances so
people would think they were getting something of quality)

Um... GE/RCA was/is quality?

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If you did, Walmart would cut their prices so much they would put you out
of business, then use a look-a-like of your broom, made in China, from
inferior materials, cheap labor, maybe even buy your product name to put
on their [censored]. (Remember a few years ago they bought the GE name, not
their product, just the name so they could put it on their Chinese
appliances so people would think they were getting something of quality)

So keep using superior materials and don't sell your product name. Or maybe
people don't need anything more than a cheap chinese broom and continued
efforts to prop up the domestic broom industry through tariffs and subsidies
are just prolonging the demise of an inefficient and non-competitive
domestic broom industry. Maybe we're all just better off as a society by
letting the Chinese manufacture our brooms and then re-focus those same
resources to more competitive products in areas where our comparative
advantages will make US products and services more marketable in the world
economy.

Or we could pass laws that punish competitive pricing and continue to
subsidize inefficient distribution systems to buy the same product under
some romantic notion that the privilidge of paying more in keeping with some
ethereal notion of how commerce "should" work.

I'm guessing Walmart wouldn't be so successfull selling cheap [censored] if the
demand wasn't there.

tcmedara said:

I'm guessing Walmart wouldn't be so successfull selling cheap [censored] if the
demand wasn't there.

I guess it's OK to enrich our enemy, then? Hey, I know - we could
train their engineers and aerospace workers to enhance their defense
industry, too!

Oh, yeah - we already do that.

OK, scratch that angle - we could borrow an enormous sum of money from
them to fund our own military adventures!

Oh, [censored] - that's being done too.

I would suggest that the low price isn't so low *cost*. And that
doesn't just mean local mom-n-pops, either.

But to you, everything is about supply and demand, and every other
consideration be damned.

Got morals?

E.P.

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tcmedara said:

I'm guessing Walmart wouldn't be so successfull selling cheap [censored] if the
demand wasn't there.

I guess it's OK to enrich our enemy, then? Hey, I know - we could
train their engineers and aerospace workers to enhance their defense
industry, too!

Oh, yeah - we already do that.

OK, scratch that angle - we could borrow an enormous sum of money from
them to fund our own military adventures!

Oh, [censored] - that's being done too.

I would suggest that the low price isn't so low *cost*. And that
doesn't just mean local mom-n-pops, either.

But to you, everything is about supply and demand, and every other
consideration be damned.

Got morals?

E.P.

Ouch, that's pretty much below the belt. I'm sure you wouldn't be so glib
if you knew what I did for a living....

Regardless, the point is that Walmart has managed to provide products that
people want at a price lower than everyone else. If there is monopolistic
or predatory practices then the Justice Department can jump in. They sure
spent enough effort trying to reign in Microsoft. As far as I know, Walmart
isn't our enemy, they are a highly successful US Corporation that has
managed to stir the political wrath of a significant portion of the US
population. If you are referring to China, then calling them the "enemy" is
an oversimplification of our relationship. Trade policy and overall foreign
policy with China are interesting topics, but have very little bearing on
the Wal Mart issue. The number of discounters buying goods from China far
exceeds what WalMart is all about.

I do like your statement about low price vs low cost. That's the crux of
the entire problem and it's where politics and economics intersect. Price
is price, but cost is about value. Value is determined through the
political process or in the mind of the individual (depending on how you
view the world). On that point, I'm betting we can agree to a lot of
things.

I'd never buy a bike from Walmart though. I'm sure we both agree on that
point too.

Tom

my kids help keep me well toward the bottom of the middle class, and
their private school tuition, keeping the toys running, etc, etc.

CDB

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If you did, Walmart would cut their prices so much they would put you out
of business, then use a look-a-like of your broom, made in China, from
inferior materials, cheap labor, maybe even buy your product name to put
on their [censored]. (Remember a few years ago they bought the GE name, not
their product, just the name so they could put it on their Chinese
appliances so people would think they were getting something of quality)

So keep using superior materials and don't sell your product name. Or
maybe people don't need anything more than a cheap chinese broom and
continued efforts to prop up the domestic broom industry through tariffs
and subsidies are just prolonging the demise of an inefficient and
non-competitive domestic broom industry. Maybe we're all just better off
as a society by letting the Chinese manufacture our brooms and then
re-focus those same resources to more competitive products in areas where
our comparative advantages will make US products and services more
marketable in the world economy.

Or we could pass laws that punish competitive pricing and continue to
subsidize inefficient distribution systems to buy the same product under
some romantic notion that the privilidge of paying more in keeping with
some ethereal notion of how commerce "should" work.

I'm guessing Walmart wouldn't be so successfull selling cheap [censored] if the
demand wasn't there.

Check out what Walmart did to companies like Rubbermaid by pressuring them
to keep reducing costs to the point where they could not manufacture a
quality product at the price Walmart wanted to sell it at.

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/3044wal-mart.html

If at all possible, I don't buy Chinese, SE Asia, Mexican or Walmart, and
I'm not a union advocate. I especially started thinking this way after
buying a Mexican assembled VW about 4-years ago, one of the biggest pieces
of [censored] I've ever bought, started to fall apart and was not abused.

di said:

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If you did, Walmart would cut their prices so much they would put you out
of business, then use a look-a-like of your broom, made in China, from
inferior materials, cheap labor, maybe even buy your product name to put
on their [censored]. (Remember a few years ago they bought the GE name, not
their product, just the name so they could put it on their Chinese
appliances so people would think they were getting something of quality)

So keep using superior materials and don't sell your product name. Or
maybe people don't need anything more than a cheap chinese broom and
continued efforts to prop up the domestic broom industry through tariffs
and subsidies are just prolonging the demise of an inefficient and
non-competitive domestic broom industry. Maybe we're all just better off
as a society by letting the Chinese manufacture our brooms and then
re-focus those same resources to more competitive products in areas where
our comparative advantages will make US products and services more
marketable in the world economy.

Or we could pass laws that punish competitive pricing and continue to
subsidize inefficient distribution systems to buy the same product under
some romantic notion that the privilidge of paying more in keeping with
some ethereal notion of how commerce "should" work.

I'm guessing Walmart wouldn't be so successfull selling cheap [censored] if the
demand wasn't there.

Check out what Walmart did to companies like Rubbermaid by pressuring them
to keep reducing costs to the point where they could not manufacture a
quality product at the price Walmart wanted to sell it at.

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/3044wal-mart.html

If at all possible, I don't buy Chinese, SE Asia, Mexican or Walmart, and
I'm not a union advocate. I especially started thinking this way after
buying a Mexican assembled VW about 4-years ago, one of the biggest pieces
of [censored] I've ever bought, started to fall apart and was not abused.

You're kidding right? You just posted a LaRouche article? Do you stand
outside on street corners with poster boards tied to your body handing
out LaRouche propaganda. You just lost all credibility.

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I am not against capitalism and certainly maximizing profits by
outsourcing to cheap labor is part of that equation. I do however,

know

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what is made to last and what is made like [censored].

And because of Walmart commodity items in the USA are pure [censored] now. If
you want something like a broom you either put up with some piece of

[censored]

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thing from Walmart that probably cost 50 cents to make or you buy a nice
and
expensive broom if you can find one.

Greg

Then design, manufacture, and market a better broom. If that's what

people

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really want -- as opposed to the cheap Wal Mart [censored] -- then you'll be a
millionaire in no time.

Basic microeconomics. You may be on to something.

1st, I have zero interest in manufacturing. But I sure as hell would
support someone who did fill the middle-ground.

2nd, it's not just economical. It's sociological. The cheap [censored] products
get out to market, the consumer sees them and says "woohoo, I can get this
cheap [censored] broom for 10 cents cheaper than this quality broom!" By the time
the consumer realizes his piece of [censored] broom lasts 1/100th the time of the
quality broom the quality broom manufacturer has gone out of business or has
started selling expensive brooms to a niche market. Over time, the new
generation thinks that the cheap [censored] brooms are the quality brooms because
they have nothing to compare them to. The older generation remembers the
brooms that will last a lifetime but doesn't find it necessary to educate
the younger folk on commodity items like this.

Greg

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http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/3044wal-mart.html

Using Lyndon Larouche's website as a source for anything pretty much
undermines whatever point there ever was. This guy is the original whack
job.

Re: Rubbermaid. It's a business, accountable to a board and shareholders.
They could have opted to maintain standards and sold their products (or high
quality brooms) at other retail outlets. Despite the drama we see repeated
all over newspapers, tv, and the 'net, Wal-Mart ain't the only game in town.
They just happen to be the best at what they do. Sears and JC Penny used to
be pretty good at it as well, but then other competitors found ways to do
things better, smarter, and faster. If the [censored] Wal-Mart sells is so bad,
then there is room in the market for a retailer selling quality products
even if the prices have to be that much higher to account for it. That's
the vibe I seem to be getting. Why isn't some entrepreneur jumping on the
opportunity? Wal-Mart didn't "force" Rubbermaid to do anything. Rubbermaid
made a business decision. The state is the only entity capable of forcing
compulsory acts on people or corporate enterprises.

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http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/3044wal-mart.html

Using Lyndon Larouche's website as a source for anything pretty much
undermines whatever point there ever was. This guy is the original whack
job.

Re: Rubbermaid. It's a business, accountable to a board and

shareholders.

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They could have opted to maintain standards and sold their products (or

high

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quality brooms) at other retail outlets. Despite the drama we see

repeated

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all over newspapers, tv, and the 'net, Wal-Mart ain't the only game in

town.

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They just happen to be the best at what they do. Sears and JC Penny used

to

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be pretty good at it as well, but then other competitors found ways to do
things better, smarter, and faster. If the [censored] Wal-Mart sells is so bad,
then there is room in the market for a retailer selling quality products

Not once the general public has gotten used to the crappy products.

Greg

G.T. said:

1st, I have zero interest in manufacturing. But I sure as hell would
support someone who did fill the middle-ground.

2nd, it's not just economical. It's sociological. The cheap [censored] products
get out to market, the consumer sees them and says "woohoo, I can get this
cheap [censored] broom for 10 cents cheaper than this quality broom!" By the time
the consumer realizes his piece of [censored] broom lasts 1/100th the time of the
quality broom the quality broom manufacturer has gone out of business or has
started selling expensive brooms to a niche market. Over time, the new
generation thinks that the cheap [censored] brooms are the quality brooms because
they have nothing to compare them to. The older generation remembers the
brooms that will last a lifetime but doesn't find it necessary to educate
the younger folk on commodity items like this.

There are people selling to the middle ground. In fact some of the
stores that sell the step-up [censored] do rather well. I point you to Kohls
and Boscovs. However, even a majority portion of the "middle" ground is
still made in China.

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