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  1. On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:16:05 -0000, Chris Game <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Paul Rooney said:
    Kenneth Miles said:

    This extract is from the Ramblers Ass web page-

    Details of official campsites can be obtained from Tourist Information Centres, and see also the
    Camping and Caravanning Club. 'Wild' camping is illegal in Britain except with a landowner?s
    permission, though in very remote areas it may be tolerated in practice

    That's not correct. It's not illegal at all.

    You mean it's not trespassing?

    It may be.. but that may not mean illegal - note the 'uk' in the newsgroup title. (I would avoid
    hunts, and bringing a load of mates and a sound system though)

    Richard Webb

  2. On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:07:36 -0000, Chris Game <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Paul Rooney said:
    Chris Game said:

    Paul Rooney said:

    > On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:02:13 +0000, Kenneth Miles <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    > >This extract is from the Ramblers Ass web page-
    > >
    > >Details of official campsites can be obtained from Tourist Information Centres, and see also
    > >the Camping and Caravanning Club. 'Wild' camping is illegal in Britain except with a
    > >landowner?s permission, though in very remote areas it may be tolerated in practice
    >
    > That's not correct. It's not illegal at all.

    You mean it's not trespassing?

    I mean it's not illegal, full stop. Neither is trespassing (with a couple of unusual exceptions).

    I think you're confusing 'illegal' with 'criminal'. It's not legal to trespass, it's an
    infringement of the relevant law, i.e. illegal.

    No it isn't. It isn't an infingement of any law. Why does this misunderstanding keep cropping up on
    a walkers' ng where people should be more aware?

    --
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  3. On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:46:32 GMT, [email hidden] (RJ

    Webb) said:
    Chris Game said:
    Paul Rooney said:

    On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:02:13 +0000, Kenneth Miles <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >This extract is from the Ramblers Ass web page-
    >
    >Details of official campsites can be obtained from Tourist Information Centres, and see also
    >the Camping and Caravanning Club. 'Wild' camping is illegal in Britain except with a
    >landowner?s permission, though in very remote areas it may be tolerated in practice

    That's not correct. It's not illegal at all.

    You mean it's not trespassing?

    It may be.. but that may not mean illegal - note the 'uk' in the newsgroup title. (I would avoid
    hunts, and bringing a load of mates and a sound system though)

    Richard Webb

    Trespassing is not against the law in England and Wales, outside very restricted circumstances. It
    is NOT illegal, people!!

    --
    Paul My Lake District walking site (updated 29th September 2003): paulrooney.netfirms.compaulrooney.netfirms.com 117
    Wainwrights

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  4. Martin Richardson said:

    What about criminal damage whilst trespassing?

    That's criminal damage...

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  5. On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:12:06 +0000, Paul Rooney <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Martin Richardson said:

    What about criminal damage whilst trespassing?

    That's criminal damage...

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  6. On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:06:43 -0000, Chris Game <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Paul Rooney said:

    Trespassing is not against the law in England and Wales, outside very restricted circumstances.
    It is NOT illegal, people!!

    So what are these new rights under CROW all about then, if not to allow access where previously
    it wasn't?

    Trespass law may be 'a mess'; but it does exist, and there's a lot of it.

    As things stand at the moment, you can't be sued for merely walking on someone else's land. It's not
    an offence of any kind. It doesn't (usually) amount to damaging anything of theirs. But you have no
    legal right to do it. They can ask you to leave, and remove you if you refuse. You can be sued if
    you do any damage. CROW gives you the legal right to walk on other people's land (some of it). They
    will no longer have the right to ask you to leave, nor to remove you, on the relevant bits of land.
    Pitching a tent on someone else's land is similar (it's a form of trespass) - if you did it on a
    putting green, no doubt you could be sued for damage. If you do it at Sty Head tarn, the owner could
    take a chance on suing you but they'd almost certainly lose on the grounds that placing pegs in the
    ground in that area didn't cause damage in any relevant sense.

    Destroying cairns, of course, is a grave offence (-:

    --
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  7. Martin Richardson said:

    In message <[email hidden]>, Paul Rooney <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    Chris Game said:

    Paul Rooney said:

    > Trespassing is not against the law in England and Wales, outside very restricted circumstances.
    > It is NOT illegal, people!!

    So what are these new rights under CROW all about then, if not to allow access where previously
    it wasn't?

    Trespass law may be 'a mess'; but it does exist, and there's a lot of it.

    Destroying cairns, of course, is a grave offence (-:

    Building them in the first place is a capital offence.

    Some fences come into that category too!

    --
    Paul My Lake District walking site (updated 29th September 2003): paulrooney.netfirms.compaulrooney.netfirms.com 122
    Wainwrights

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  8. Paul Rooney said:
    Martin Richardson said:

    In message <[email hidden]>, Paul Rooney <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Destroying cairns, of course, is a grave offence (-:

    Building them in the first place is a capital offence.

    Some fences come into that category too!

    Crossing certain fences *is* a capital offence.
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

  9. Paul Rooney said:
    Chris Game said:
    Paul Rooney said:

    On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:02:13 +0000, Kenneth Miles <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >This extract is from the Ramblers Ass web page-
    >
    >Details of official campsites can be obtained from Tourist Information Centres, and see also
    >the Camping and Caravanning Club. 'Wild' camping is illegal in Britain except with a
    >landowner?s permission, though in very remote areas it may be tolerated in practice

    That's not correct. It's not illegal at all.

    You mean it's not trespassing?

    I mean it's not illegal, full stop. Neither is trespassing (with a couple of unusual exceptions).

    I think you're confusing 'illegal' with 'criminal'. It's not legal to trespass, it's an infringement
    of the relevant law, i.e. illegal.

    --
    =============================================

    Chris Game <chrisgame@!yahoo!dotcodotuk>
    =============================================

  10. Paul Rooney said:

    Trespassing is not against the law in England and Wales, outside very restricted circumstances. It
    is NOT illegal, people!!

    So what are these new rights under CROW all about then, if not to allow access where previously
    it wasn't?

    Trespass law may be 'a mess'; but it does exist, and there's a lot of it.

    --
    =============================================

    Chris Game <chrisgame@!yahoo!dotcodotuk>
    =============================================

  11. On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:06:43 -0000, Chris Game <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Paul Rooney said:

    Trespassing is not against the law in England and Wales, outside very restricted circumstances.
    It is NOT illegal, people!!

    So what are these new rights under CROW all about then, if not to allow access where previously
    it wasn't?

    Try looking at it from another POV The new law removes the right of landowners to ask you to leave
    in certain places(and nowhere near enough of them)

    Richard Webb

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