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  1. <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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    How many others walk alone?

    I always do. Once I was wandering around the Howgill Fells in an
    impenetrable fog, clutching map and compass and wishing to God I was sitting
    in a Sedbergh pub, when came swimming into mind the lyrics of George
    Thorogood's 'I drink alone' whose chorus runs:

    I drink alone, yeah,
    with nobody else
    I drink alone, yeah,
    with nobody else
    You know when I drink alone,
    I prefer to be by myself

    To buck myself up, I sang that for a while in the fog, substituting 'walk'
    for 'drink'--though, in fact, I also drink alone..with nobody else, yeah!

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  2. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Nick Pedley said:

    I prefer to walk alone as it's the best way for me to unwind and


    escape the

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    stress of modern life and work. It's been said that 'Hell is other


    people',

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    I don't know the context of that original statement but I can


    certainly

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    relate it to my life and I'm sure others can to theirs! Plus it saves


    hassle

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    on trying to arrange a party to walk with.

    However, I do let people know where I'm going and the rough route


    I've

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    planned so that if I'm not back someone will be looking for me in the


    right

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    area.

    Nick

    Thanks to all for the responses, it confirms my own thoughts!

    Furthermore, in my very short walking career I've already turned back
    twice; once on the way up to Skiddaw when the clouds came in; the other
    on Bowfell. Both times I felt if had kept going I was going beyond my
    own abilities....

    I too have 'turned back' on a couple of occasions. There is no shame in it!
    Knowing your own capabilities is the key and it sounds as though you have a
    sensible attitude to solo walking.

    --
    Regards, Paul (R)
    My Lake District walking site:
    www.lakelandwalker.co.uk

  3. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Most published safety literature on hiking frowns upon walking alone,
    however the majority of my walks are undertaken uncompanied.

    Is this stupidity?

    No

    Quoted message said:

    How many others walk alone?

    I prefer to be in the hills on my ownsome or with the dog, just love the
    solitude!

    A few years ago a report into Scottish Mountain safety was produced for the
    Scottish Executive, I no longer have that report or the exact figures,
    however it showed that, solitary walkers virtually never get into difficulty
    or need to be rescued, pairs were alittle more common, however groups of
    three or more made up the bulk of all hill call outs! So statistically
    speaking it is far far safer to go by yourself,
    I would guess that the reasoning for this is that solitary walkers are
    generally more experienced and being by yourself probably means you take
    more care!

    Quoted message said:

    ....17 summits this year
    17 (15 Marilyns, 2 Sweats, 2 Wainwrights)
    0 repeats

    18 Munros so far this year, 13 alone, 5 with others

  4. email hidden said:

    Is this stupidity?

    Depends where and when you're walking. And on whether you're properly
    equipped.

    Quoted message said:

    How many others walk alone?

    I do.

    Peter.

  5. In article <[email hidden]>, Judith
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    email hidden said:

    How many others walk alone?

    I do, most of the time.

    What's the choice? Sit at home (probably descending into depression)
    or just get out there and do it?

    We walked alone didn't we? Strange thing was, we were only a yard or two
    apart for the whole walk :-) Thanks for speaking to me now and again :-)

    I like walking alone though my wife gets worried on my behalf.

    Paul S and I have walked quite a bit together and have had good times on
    the hill. Walking alone has its own satisfaction element, but if you're
    a worrier to the point where you're too apprehensive to get out, then go
    with a group.

    Possibly my most enjoyed walk was a short stroll around Moel Feity in
    the Western fans - walking the dog. The visibility was literally only
    about 20 yards. It was the weekend of the KIMM event last year.
    Navigating by compass was a nice change in those conditions, and the
    result was very rewarding.
    --
    Bill Grey
    http://www.billboy.co.uk

  6. In article <[email hidden]>, Dave Fawthrop
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    How many times would you not have made it back without the help of a
    *companion*? You are allowed help from passers by and anyone you can
    summon up via a whistle or mobile phone etc.

    In my case never, and I have not even come close to such an emergency.

    The over-confident, or merely confident can fall foul of the simplest of
    accidents. A twisted or even broken ankle can be an emergency, and one
    which can happen so very easily.

    I know very well if this is going to be a concern for someone
    contemplating a walk, then the best thing is to stay at home or join a
    group and lose out on the best bit - of being alone in the hills.
    --
    Bill Grey
    http://www.billboy.co.uk

  7. In message <[email hidden]>

    Geoff Berrow said:

    I noticed that Message-ID: <[email hidden]> from
    Pete G contained the following:

    Quoted message said:

    I did help a family group once who were slightly lost, miserable and wearing
    training shoes on wet rock. They asked if they were on the right track to a
    particular spot. I said I would show them on their map where they
    were......reply "oh we didn't think we needed one"

    Being a relative newcomer to walking, I didn't at first either. (well
    it's hard to get lost walking around Tittesworth reservoir or Rudyard
    lake). Later I was using guides from books etc. It became clear very
    soon though, that if you made a mistake, then the instructions would
    make no sense and at least one walk that was meant to be circular ended
    up being linear. I always take a map now even if it's 'just in case'.

    Depends on the type of guidebook. That wasn't a problem with Wainright,
    although unfortunately his book are a little out of date by now (most of
    which just means the paths are ten times as wide, but there are some more
    important changes).

    --
    Simon Challands

  8. In message <[email hidden]>

    Stuart said:


    A few years ago a report into Scottish Mountain safety was produced for the
    Scottish Executive, I no longer have that report or the exact figures,
    however it showed that, solitary walkers virtually never get into difficulty
    or need to be rescued, pairs were alittle more common, however groups of
    three or more made up the bulk of all hill call outs! So statistically
    speaking it is far far safer to go by yourself,
    I would guess that the reasoning for this is that solitary walkers are
    generally more experienced and being by yourself probably means you take
    more care!

    Or that one member of a group getting in trouble is just as likely as a
    solitary walker, so with several people together the chances of something
    happening to that group are greater.

    Most of the fears about solitary walking are probably created by people in
    offices imagining risks about something they don't know anything about, and
    who haved lived too long in their artificial world to know anything about
    the real world which contains such things as weather.

    --
    Simon Challands

  9. On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:35:09 +0100, "W. D. Grey"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    | In article <[email hidden]>, Dave Fawthrop
    | <[email hidden]> writes
    | >How many times would you not have made it back without the help of a
    | >*companion*? You are allowed help from passers by and anyone you can
    | >summon up via a whistle or mobile phone etc.
    | >
    | >In my case never, and I have not even come close to such an emergency.
    |
    | The over-confident, or merely confident can fall foul of the simplest of
    | accidents. A twisted or even broken ankle can be an emergency, and one
    | which can happen so very easily.

    Yes! but the question was very tightly worded.
    | >How many times would you not have made it back without the help of a
    | >*companion*? You are allowed help from passers by and anyone you can
    | >summon up via a whistle or mobile phone etc.

    --
    Dave F

  10. In message <[email hidden]>

    GSV Three Minds in a Can said:

    Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from
    the wonderful person "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> said

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    How many others walk alone?

    Me. And I meet several solo walkers most days (but more duos). You
    ideally need a first aid kit, mobile phone, and someone who'll miss you
    eventually. Maps, compass, GPS, proper clothing, etc.

    Mobile phone? Yuck. There were plenty of solo walkers before mobile phones,
    and they weren't all fools.

    --
    Simon Challands

  11. On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:53:02 +0100, Simon Challands
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    | In message <[email hidden]>
    | GSV Three Minds in a Can <[email hidden]> wrote:
    |
    | > Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from
    | > the wonderful person "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> said
    |
    | > >How many others walk alone?
    | >
    | > Me. And I meet several solo walkers most days (but more duos). You
    | > ideally need a first aid kit, mobile phone, and someone who'll miss you
    | > eventually. Maps, compass, GPS, proper clothing, etc.
    |
    | Mobile phone? Yuck. There were plenty of solo walkers before mobile phones,
    | and they weren't all fools.

    I was walking alone long before the mobile and GPS were invented, but IMO a
    mobile and GPS improve the experience, make things both easier and safer.

    --
    Dave F

  12. On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:22:27 +0100, "Stuart" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    |
    | "Simon Challands" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | news:[email hidden]...
    | > In message <[email hidden]>
    | > "Stuart" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    | > >
    | > > A few years ago a report into Scottish Mountain safety was produced for
    | the
    | > > Scottish Executive, I no longer have that report or the exact figures,
    | > > however it showed that, solitary walkers virtually never get into
    | difficulty
    | > > or need to be rescued, pairs were alittle more common, however groups of
    | > > three or more made up the bulk of all hill call outs! So statistically
    | > > speaking it is far far safer to go by yourself,
    | > > I would guess that the reasoning for this is that solitary walkers are
    | > > generally more experienced and being by yourself probably means you take
    | > > more care!
    | >
    | > Or that one member of a group getting in trouble is just as likely as a
    | > solitary walker, so with several people together the chances of something
    | > happening to that group are greater.
    | >
    |
    | NO...If I remember correctly the statstistics showed that you were something
    | like 50x more likely to require assistance from a MRT if you were in a group
    | of more than 2 than if you were by yourself!

    Anybody got a URL for that? Google failed me :-(

    --
    Dave F

  13. "Simon Challands" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In message <[email hidden]>

    Stuart said:


    A few years ago a report into Scottish Mountain safety was produced for


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Scottish Executive, I no longer have that report or the exact figures,
    however it showed that, solitary walkers virtually never get into


    difficulty

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    or need to be rescued, pairs were alittle more common, however groups of
    three or more made up the bulk of all hill call outs! So statistically
    speaking it is far far safer to go by yourself,
    I would guess that the reasoning for this is that solitary walkers are
    generally more experienced and being by yourself probably means you take
    more care!

    Or that one member of a group getting in trouble is just as likely as a
    solitary walker, so with several people together the chances of something
    happening to that group are greater.

    NO...If I remember correctly the statstistics showed that you were something
    like 50x more likely to require assistance from a MRT if you were in a group
    of more than 2 than if you were by yourself!

  14. Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the wonderful
    person Simon Challands <[email hidden]> said

    Quoted message said:

    In message <[email hidden]>

    GSV Three Minds in a Can said:

    Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from
    the wonderful person "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> said

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    How many others walk alone?

    Me. And I meet several solo walkers most days (but more duos). You
    ideally need a first aid kit, mobile phone, and someone who'll miss you
    eventually. Maps, compass, GPS, proper clothing, etc.

    Mobile phone? Yuck. There were plenty of solo walkers before mobile phones,
    and they weren't all fools.

    No, because they didn't have the choice. Going out without one today is
    an avoidable mistake. Today going out alone without your Medicaid 'bot
    is unavoidable. In 50 years it will be a really stupid thing to do.

    --
    GSV Three Minds in a Can
    SC recommends the use of Firefox; Get smart, or get assimilated.

  15. Ysgrifennodd <[email hidden]> mewn neges
    newyddion:[email hidden]...

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    Most published safety literature on hiking frowns upon walking alone,
    however the majority of my walks are undertaken uncompanied.

    Is this stupidity?

    How many others walk alone?

    Always alone, i did a short stint with a mate two years ago when i didn't
    trust my own fitness, but he walked too fast and didnt want to stop for food
    when i did! Much more enjoyable solo, you can go your own pace and suit
    yourself.

    Mind you, i always have to tell my other half where i'm off to for safety,.
    and luckily to arrange a possible pick-up at the day's end.
    I suppose i should print 2 maps for the day, for the sake of 10p extra!

    And regarding the "Have you ever not made it back without companons" (or
    words to that effect!), no is the answer, but i did scare myself three weeks
    ago near the top of Mynydd Mawr when i slipped on the thawing mud, twisted
    my ankle badly and bent my walking pole. It could have been worse, and i
    was very concerned until i realised i could limp on. And going forwards was
    the best form of retreat in this case (i knew the descent on the opposite
    side was not as steep as the way i came up, which was very steep).

    But had i broken it, there was a party of 4 who i'd chatted to earlier, on
    the way down so i'd have been ok, and i had a mobile signal. But it did
    hammer home that i ought to be more careful because i was solo, and the rest
    of the walk ws much more cautious (not that i'd been particularly carefree
    before).

    T Dave R.

    --

    Walk on the Wide Side
    www.walkeryri.org.uk

  16. "Dave Fawthrop" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:22:27 +0100, "Stuart" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    |
    | "Simon Challands" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | news:[email hidden]...
    | > In message <[email hidden]>
    | > "Stuart" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    | > >
    | > > A few years ago a report into Scottish Mountain safety was produced


    for

    Quoted message said:

    | the
    | > > Scottish Executive, I no longer have that report or the exact


    figures,

    Quoted message said:

    | > > however it showed that, solitary walkers virtually never get into
    | difficulty
    | > > or need to be rescued, pairs were alittle more common, however


    groups of

    Quoted message said:

    | > > three or more made up the bulk of all hill call outs! So


    statistically

    Quoted message said:

    | > > speaking it is far far safer to go by yourself,
    | > > I would guess that the reasoning for this is that solitary walkers


    are

    Quoted message said:

    | > > generally more experienced and being by yourself probably means you


    take

    Quoted message said:

    | > > more care!
    | >
    | > Or that one member of a group getting in trouble is just as likely as


    a

    Quoted message said:

    | > solitary walker, so with several people together the chances of


    something

    Quoted message said:

    | > happening to that group are greater.
    | >
    |
    | NO...If I remember correctly the statstistics showed that you were


    something

    Quoted message said:

    | like 50x more likely to require assistance from a MRT if you were in a


    group

    Quoted message said:

    | of more than 2 than if you were by yourself!

    Anybody got a URL for that? Google failed me :-(

    --
    Dave F

    I believe it was in a report done for the Scot Exec in the late 1990s A time
    when there was call for hill rescues to be charged for and walkers/climbers
    to carry insurance, thankfuuly it never got further than that and being
    rescued continues to be free and carried out by volunteers. Thankfully
    Scottish MRTs now receive substantial funding from the Scot Exec.

    I will have a word with the team secretary and see if I can get hold of our
    copy of the report and post the rest of the stats, I am sure the figure is
    something bizare like 50x (god knows how they come up with these figures!)

    From 20 years experiance in local hill rescue we have never had to go to the
    aid of a single walker, and yet we regularily get called out to groups
    (usually DofE)

  17. Quoted message said:

    Most published safety literature on hiking frowns upon walking alone,
    however the majority of my walks are undertaken uncompanied.

    Is this stupidity?

    Let us refer to the de-facto Bible of uk hill walking, the official
    handbook of the Mountain Leader Training Board, Eric Langmuir's
    "Mountaincraft and Leadership":

    "Going solo in the hills is almost universally condemmed by those
    who are not themselves hillwalkers, usually on the grounds that if
    something goes wrong there is no one to raise the alarm, and as a
    consequence a great deal of unnecessary time and effort may have to
    be put in by search and rescue services. This is a narrow view.
    The desire to be alone from time to time is a powerful and basic
    human need, and where better to fulfil this than in the mountains?
    There are few, if any, experienced mountaineers who have not, at
    some time in their lives, deliberately sought the solitude of the
    hills. Solo hillwalking can be a profound and rewarding
    experience, but it demands judgement and experience of a high
    order. In particular it brings a responsibility to make double
    sure that nothing does go wrong, and that as a result of
    foolhardiness or thoughtlessness others are not put to unnecessary
    inconvenience and risk "

    Quoted message said:

    How many others walk alone?

    I do, I can't think of any friends who won't.

    You must further draw some distinctions between walking and
    walking. What the lowest common denominator UK recreational walker
    regards as "walking" and what a seasoned mountainair regards as
    walking are very different things, and while considerable care and
    experience will form a backdrop to a solo attempt on the Liatach
    Northern Pinnacles in winter conditions, a Sunday dander round a
    well used bit of National Park on a nice day really doesn't merit
    much browbeating over foolhardiness!

    I'll further note that I have /never/ spoken to a member of an MRT
    who thought people shouldn't go out alone, despite the fact that
    it's the time and trouble of MRTs that is often cited by ignorant
    numpties as a reason not to do it.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  18. GSV Three Minds in a Can said:

    No, because they didn't have the choice. Going out without one today is
    an avoidable mistake.

    Or, going out today without one is a simple case of not bothering
    to carry soemthing you're very unlikely to need. To say it's a
    mistake, period, not to carry one is, IMHO, pretty preposterous.
    What people carry or don't is up to them.

    Quoted message said:

    is unavoidable. In 50 years it will be a really stupid thing to do.

    Don't know how my knees will be then, but I really hope I can leave
    everything I want to behind if that's how I feel.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  19. .."Simon Challands" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In message <[email hidden]>
    GSV Three Minds in a Can <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from
    the wonderful person "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> said

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    How many others walk alone?

    Me. And I meet several solo walkers most days (but more duos). You
    ideally need a first aid kit, mobile phone, and someone who'll miss you
    eventually. Maps, compass, GPS, proper clothing, etc.

    Mobile phone? Yuck. There were plenty of solo walkers before mobile


    phones,

    Quoted message said:

    and they weren't all fools.

    --
    Simon Challands

    The _only_ place I go with a mobile phone is in my car, where I'm MOST at
    risk of life-threatening harm!

    It's a matter of personal choice whether to carry a mobly, but _please_!!
    keep it switched OFF!!

    Personally, I rely on first aid training, years of hill walking experience,
    maps, compass and knowledge of how to use them, appropriate clothing and day
    sack containing slice of home-baked cherry almond cake and a fluid of choice
    for the day.

    Fiona

  20. W. D. Grey said:

    We walked alone didn't we? Strange thing was, we were only a yard or two
    apart for the whole walk :-) Thanks for speaking to me now and again :-)

    I kept thinking "Who *is* that strange man?"

    ;-)

    Judith

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