Walk suggestion Snowdonia

Try and get hold of a copies of Steve Ashton's Cicerone Guides.

North Wales can feel a bit remote and scary compared to the Lakes, but only
because of the lack of pubs, gift shops and tourists!

If I were you I'd avoid Betws like the plague - Moel Siabod from the "Royal
Bridge" (Llynnau Mymbyr) would be a good bet for a first outing, and there's
the Bryn Twrch at Capel Curig for a decent pint and something to eat (if
you're there early/late enough) afterwards.

"Steve Crossley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hi,
I fancy walking in Snowdonia but have not got a clue were to start,
my local library does not seem to have as many guide books as on the
Lakes and I have never been.
Live near Blackburn and it looks 2hrs to Betsy Coed which is
the absolute limit for a day walk, any farther than this and the kid's
start spewing (can I say that) and a bit less would be even better.
Me, the wife and children 7 and 10 will be doing the walk and I can
navigate pretty well.
Previous experience is most of the lakes except the Edges, Striding
and Sharp due to the wife being nervous e.g. Wasdale head -
Lingmell-Scafell pike -Lords Rake-Scafell-Wasdale in 7 hrs so the Kids
are up to a bit of up hill stuff, though something easier than this
would probably be a good start and particularly with the short days
and unfamiliar terrain.
A good pub (boots allowed) at the bottom would be a bonus. Also any
recommendations on guidebooks would be help.
Many thanks in advance Steve Crossley

If you travel just a little further, park at Ogwen Cottage, and take the
path around Llyn Idwal. Good views of Tryfan, Devil's Kitchen, Idwal
Slabs - also, lots of escape routes and messing about places.

Good cup of tea back at Ogwen.

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"Steve Crossley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hi,
I fancy walking in Snowdonia but have not got a clue were to start,
my local library does not seem to have as many guide books as on the
Lakes and I have never been.
Live near Blackburn and it looks 2hrs to Betsy Coed which is
the absolute limit for a day walk, any farther than this and the kid's
start spewing (can I say that) and a bit less would be even better.

You may be wise to leave it until after Xmas. The A55 is almost one
contiunous road work at the moment and can easily add an hour to the
usual journey times and more at busy periods. The works all seem to be
planned to finish late December.

Brian
(change closed to open for email)

johnny_london said:

North Wales can feel a bit remote and scary compared to the Lakes,
but only because of the lack of pubs, gift shops and tourists!

Remote? North Wales is full of tourists and it's hard to get out of
sight of people roads and cars on the popular hills. Is the Lake
District really that bad?

Try Mid Wales if you want remote...

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

On 10/11/04 4:53 pm, in article [email hidden], "Paul

Saunders said:

Remote? North Wales is full of tourists and it's hard to get out of
sight of people roads and cars on the popular hills. Is the Lake
District really that bad?

Try Mid Wales if you want remote...

True, but you can easily avoid the crowds, Cnicht for example.

--
Andy Howell
Birmingham, UK

Not necessarily bad, just different!

The Lakes has more landscapes in the modern pastoral idiom, and looks
greener!

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johnny_london said:

North Wales can feel a bit remote and scary compared to the Lakes,
but only because of the lack of pubs, gift shops and tourists!

Remote? North Wales is full of tourists and it's hard to get out of
sight of people roads and cars on the popular hills. Is the Lake
District really that bad?

Try Mid Wales if you want remote...

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

Hi,
is Wales so great that you are all keeping the best places secret
or is it so bad you cannot come up with more than this ;~)

Steve Crossley said:

Hi,
is Wales so great that you are all keeping the best places secret
or is it so bad you cannot come up with more than this ;~)

Define great.

Paul
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http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

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Hi,
is Wales so great that you are all keeping the best places secret
or is it so bad you cannot come up with more than this ;~)

just a test meassage

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If I were you I'd avoid Betws like the plague

Why? If you want good B/B you could do a lot worse than try the Glan
Aber fo bunkhouse accommodation. Excellent, very clean and good food.
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

A couple more - Capel Curig to Llyn Craffnant, walks around Llangollen,
Swallow Falls at Betws y Coed ...

I am sure there are other walks for small/nervous walkers - let us know what
you discover!

On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:16:08 -0000, "David Marks" <[email hidden]>

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If you travel just a little further, park at Ogwen Cottage, and take the
path around Llyn Idwal. Good views of Tryfan, Devil's Kitchen, Idwal
Slabs - also, lots of escape routes and messing about places.

Good cup of tea back at Ogwen.

Pen y Pass is about the same distance as Ogwen so you could do Snowdon
but you need to be at the car park early to get a place on a good day.
Crib Goch if you want a (Grade 1) scarmble or the Miner's or Pyg track
if you don't.
Tony Henley
Pembroke, South Wales

On 20/11/04 2:07 pm, in article [email hidden],

Tony and Jan Henley said:

Pen y Pass is about the same distance as Ogwen so you could do Snowdon
but you need to be at the car park early to get a place on a good day.
Crib Goch if you want a (Grade 1) scarmble or the Miner's or Pyg track
if you don't.

Park in Llanberis and take the bus!

If you don't fancy Crib Gogh (and I usually don't in winter) an approach
from the Watkins path is preferable to the Miners.

--
Andy Howell
Birmingham, UK

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On 20/11/04 2:07 pm, in article [email hidden],

Tony and Jan Henley said:

Pen y Pass is about the same distance as Ogwen so you could do Snowdon
but you need to be at the car park early to get a place on a good day.
Crib Goch if you want a (Grade 1) scarmble or the Miner's or Pyg track
if you don't.

Park in Llanberis and take the bus!

If you don't fancy Crib Gogh (and I usually don't in winter) an approach
from the Watkins path is preferable to the Miners.

IMO /any/ path is preferable to the Miners!

AAMOI has anyone done Crib Goch via its north ridge? The route is in
this month's Trail (probably should also check if it actually has a N
ridge :-)) and looks an interesting alternative.

--
Darren

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AAMOI has anyone done Crib Goch via its north ridge? The route is in
this month's Trail (probably should also check if it actually has a N
ridge :-)) and looks an interesting alternative.

--
Darren

Yes, it's a nice and very much quieter than the east ridge. You can still
start from Pen-y-Pass if you're doing the Horseshoe - route-finding to the
start of the north ridge can be slightly tricky, but once on the ridge it's
very straightforward with no technical scrambling - just a degree of
exposure in places. The ridge brings you out at the eastern top on Crib
Goch with the knife-edge and pinnacles still ahead of you. The only thing to
be wary of is that there is still some loose rock about.

Steve Ashton's Scrambles in Snowdonia is (as usual) a good source of
information.

"johnny_london" <[email hidden]> wrote

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AAMOI has anyone done Crib Goch via its north ridge?

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Yes, it's a nice and very much quieter than the east ridge.

I can well remember the contrast of sitting on the narrow crest taking in
the views and the exposure in the morning sunshine completely alone apart
from the croak of a raven soaring past and then a few metres further on
popping up onto the small platform that forms the junction with the east
ridge to be confronted with a throng of happily chatting hillgoers. Quite
surreal

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"Darren G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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AAMOI has anyone done Crib Goch via its north ridge? The route is in
this month's Trail (probably should also check if it actually has a N
ridge :-)) and looks an interesting alternative.

--
Darren

Yes, it's a nice and very much quieter than the east ridge. You can still
start from Pen-y-Pass if you're doing the Horseshoe - route-finding to the
start of the north ridge can be slightly tricky, but once on the ridge it's
very straightforward with no technical scrambling - just a degree of
exposure in places. The ridge brings you out at the eastern top on Crib
Goch with the knife-edge and pinnacles still ahead of you. The only thing to
be wary of is that there is still some loose rock about.

Thanks. I'll give it a try. Anything to get out of the usual
procession up the other side!!

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Steve Ashton's Scrambles in Snowdonia is (as usual) a good source of
information.

Something else for the Christmas list :-)

--
Darren

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"johnny_london" <[email hidden]> wrote

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AAMOI has anyone done Crib Goch via its north ridge?

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Yes, it's a nice and very much quieter than the east ridge.

I can well remember the contrast of sitting on the narrow crest taking in
the views and the exposure in the morning sunshine completely alone apart
from the croak of a raven soaring past

That sounds more like it. What's it like as a winter route (on a good
weather day)?

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and then a few metres further on
popping up onto the small platform that forms the junction with the east
ridge to be confronted with a throng of happily chatting hillgoers.

yep. Been there too many times. Anything to avoid it as long as
possible will be great!

--
Darren

"Darren G" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I can well remember the contrast of sitting on the narrow crest taking

in

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the views and the exposure in the morning sunshine completely alone

apart

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from the croak of a raven soaring past

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That sounds more like it. What's it like as a winter route (on a good
weather day)?

Can't help you there. Haven't done any ridges that narrow in snow or ice as
yet.