WADA to ban altitude tents?

Jeff said:

The agency's ethics panel recently
determined that the tents and rooms violated "the spirit of sport."
This seems idiotic since these devices just simulate living at
altitude, which will always be legal.

And it implies that WADA is the final authority on what constitutes "the
spirit of sport" whatever that may be (sounds like something made by
smirnoff).

Will they start banning riders from high altitude locations such as
Columbia now too since it will give them an unfair advantage in the
mountains compared to the riders from lower altitudes?

Jeff said:

Start of the article on the NYT web site:

"Three of the top United States cyclists in this year's Tour de
France use a special method to enhance their performance, and it is
legal. They sleep in altitude tents or altitude rooms that simulate the
low-oxygen conditions of high altitude. This prompts the body to make
more oxygen-carrying red blood cells and can lead to improved
endurance.

The cyclists - Dave Zabriskie, George Hincapie and Levi Leipheimer
- are among the athletes featured on the Web site for Colorado
Altitude Training, which makes the tents, known as hypoxic devices.
Runners, triathletes, skiers, rowers and the Philadelphia Flyers are
among the elite athletes who espouse the virtues of the company's
altitude simulation products on the site.

But soon, the altitude tents and rooms may be banned by the World
Anti-Doping Agency, or WADA. The agency's ethics panel recently
determined that the tents and rooms violated "the spirit of sport."

The agency said it would reach a decision in September about whether to
include altitude tents and rooms on its List of Prohibited Substances
and Methods for 2007. "

Full article at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/26/sports/othersports/26altitude.html

This seems idiotic since these devices just simulate living at
altitude, which will always be legal.

"Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The cyclists - Dave Zabriskie, George Hincapie and Levi Leipheimer

finished 74th +2h 33' 46" , 32nd +1h 11' 14", and 13th +19' 22". Works
great!

Mike Cox said:

"Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

The cyclists - Dave Zabriskie, George Hincapie and Levi Leipheimer

finished 74th +2h 33' 46" , 32nd +1h 11' 14", and 13th +19' 22". Works
great!

Dumbass,

What place did YOU finish in?

Quoted message said:

The cyclists - Dave Zabriskie, George Hincapie and Levi Leipheimer
- are among the athletes featured on the Web site for Colorado
Altitude Training, which makes the tents, known as hypoxic devices.
Runners, triathletes, skiers, rowers and the Philadelphia Flyers are
among the elite athletes who espouse the virtues of the company's
altitude simulation products on the site.

But soon, the altitude tents and rooms

There goes Ullrich's €120,000 "altitude basement", when it rains it
pours !

Quoted message said:

may be banned by the World
Anti-Doping Agency, or WADA. The agency's ethics panel recently
determined that the tents and rooms violated "the spirit of sport."

SH said:

Mike Cox said:

"Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The cyclists - Dave Zabriskie, George Hincapie and Levi Leipheimer

finished 74th +2h 33' 46" , 32nd +1h 11' 14", and 13th +19' 22". Works
great!

Dumbass,

What place did YOU finish in?

Are you serious ?!

Jeff said:

Start of the article on the NYT web site:

"Three of the top United States cyclists in this year's Tour de
France use a special method to enhance their performance, and it is
legal. They sleep in altitude tents or altitude rooms that simulate the
low-oxygen conditions of high altitude. This prompts the body to make
more oxygen-carrying red blood cells and can lead to improved
endurance.

The cyclists - Dave Zabriskie, George Hincapie and Levi Leipheimer
- are among the athletes featured on the Web site for Colorado
Altitude Training, which makes the tents, known as hypoxic devices.
Runners, triathletes, skiers, rowers and the Philadelphia Flyers are
among the elite athletes who espouse the virtues of the company's
altitude simulation products on the site.

But soon, the altitude tents and rooms may be banned by the World
Anti-Doping Agency, or WADA. The agency's ethics panel recently
determined that the tents and rooms violated "the spirit of sport."

The agency said it would reach a decision in September about whether to
include altitude tents and rooms on its List of Prohibited Substances
and Methods for 2007. "

Full article at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/26/sports/othersports/26altitude.html

This seems idiotic since these devices just simulate living at
altitude, which will always be legal.

When did WADA seize control of determining what was prohibited and what
was allowable? I thought that the IOC and respective sports
organizations (such as UCI) determined this. DID WADA seize control of
this, or are they just "asking for forgiveness, and not permission"?

WADA is supposed to help enforce the rules. Nothing more.

Jeff said:

Start of the article on the NYT web site:

"Three of the top United States cyclists in this year's Tour de
France use a special method to enhance their performance, and it is
legal. They sleep in altitude tents or altitude rooms that simulate the
low-oxygen conditions of high altitude. This prompts the body to make
more oxygen-carrying red blood cells and can lead to improved
endurance.

The cyclists - Dave Zabriskie, George Hincapie and Levi Leipheimer
- are among the athletes featured on the Web site for Colorado
Altitude Training, which makes the tents, known as hypoxic devices.
Runners, triathletes, skiers, rowers and the Philadelphia Flyers are
among the elite athletes who espouse the virtues of the company's
altitude simulation products on the site.

But soon, the altitude tents and rooms may be banned by the World
Anti-Doping Agency, or WADA. The agency's ethics panel recently
determined that the tents and rooms violated "the spirit of sport."

The agency said it would reach a decision in September about whether to
include altitude tents and rooms on its List of Prohibited Substances
and Methods for 2007. "

Full article at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/26/sports/othersports/26altitude.html

This seems idiotic since these devices just simulate living at
altitude, which will always be legal.

Tomorrow they'll announce a ban on all gels. Also, eating steak will be
banned as true sportsman would just eat hamburger.

"SH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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New to RBR are you?

Dumbass,

What year did YOU begin rbr?

Not that it matters, but google says July 2005. Glad LANCE's 7th could
bring some more people to the group. Sorry I forgot to send you a welcome
basket with some Disco kit.

Mike Cox said:

"SH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

New to RBR are you?

Dumbass,

What year did YOU begin rbr?

Not that it matters, but google says July 2005. Glad LANCE's 7th could
bring some more people to the group. Sorry I forgot to send you a welcome
basket with some Disco kit.

Dumbass,

1997. Get out of the limite mindset that I've always posted with this
name, or from this e-mail. It's the same mindset that has you in that
place of only Levei, George, and Dave using altitude tents...

in message <[email hidden]>,

(') said:

Will they start banning riders from high altitude locations such as
Columbia now too since it will give them an unfair advantage in the
mountains compared to the riders from lower altitudes?

Absolutely. As of 1st January 2008, all riders will be required to reside
in ground floor flats in Dutch polders, where they will have to live
every single day they aren't racing. During racing, they will be
required to sleep at sea level every night. A special pressurised
dormitory chamber is being built at the foot of the Alpe d'Huez where
riders will be able to sleep at a simulated 0 metres altitude, but apart
from that alpine stages will have to start and finish on the coast, like
all other stages.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; All in all you're just another nick in the ball
-- Think Droid

Keith said:

SH said:

Mike Cox said:

"Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> The cyclists - Dave Zabriskie, George Hincapie and Levi Leipheimer
finished 74th +2h 33' 46" , 32nd +1h 11' 14", and 13th +19' 22". Works
great!

Dumbass,

What place did YOU finish in?

Are you serious ?!

Serious with something large up his ass...

gds said:

Jeff said:

Start of the article on the NYT web site:

"Three of the top United States cyclists in this year's Tour de
France use a special method to enhance their performance, and it is
legal. They sleep in altitude tents or altitude rooms that simulate the
low-oxygen conditions of high altitude. This prompts the body to make
more oxygen-carrying red blood cells and can lead to improved
endurance.

The cyclists - Dave Zabriskie, George Hincapie and Levi Leipheimer
- are among the athletes featured on the Web site for Colorado
Altitude Training, which makes the tents, known as hypoxic devices.
Runners, triathletes, skiers, rowers and the Philadelphia Flyers are
among the elite athletes who espouse the virtues of the company's
altitude simulation products on the site.

But soon, the altitude tents and rooms may be banned by the World
Anti-Doping Agency, or WADA. The agency's ethics panel recently
determined that the tents and rooms violated "the spirit of sport."

The agency said it would reach a decision in September about whether to
include altitude tents and rooms on its List of Prohibited Substances
and Methods for 2007. "

Full article at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/26/sports/othersports/26altitude.html

This seems idiotic since these devices just simulate living at
altitude, which will always be legal.

Tomorrow they'll announce a ban on all gels. Also, eating steak will be
banned as true sportsman would just eat hamburger.

I agree. The whole doping thing is full of [censored]. You have highly
qualified doctors like Ferrari saying that properly administered EPO is
safe. Yet WADA thinks they know more. I just don't get it.

Jeff said:

This seems idiotic since these devices just simulate living at
altitude, which will always be legal.

Not quite. Living at altitude, and training there imposes some limits
on the training and probably on the recovery. Over the long term,
living and training at sea level, and then spending some time at
altitude each day/night for some altitude-related benefits is better
than living and training at altitude

Short-term exposure to altitude of 7-14 days can be helpful, before
returning to sea level for better recovery and then a major race.

Warren G said:

Jeff said:

This seems idiotic since these devices just simulate living at
altitude, which will always be legal.

Not quite. Living at altitude, and training there imposes some limits
on the training and probably on the recovery. Over the long term,
living and training at sea level, and then spending some time at
altitude each day/night for some altitude-related benefits is better
than living and training at altitude

Source?

My understanding of the science says that living at high altitude would
be far better than just sleeping there or training there some of the time.

Your comments sound like you are just making something up....

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chester said:

Warren G said:

Jeff said:

This seems idiotic since these devices just simulate living at
altitude, which will always be legal.

Not quite. Living at altitude, and training there imposes some limits
on the training and probably on the recovery. Over the long term,
living and training at sea level, and then spending some time at
altitude each day/night for some altitude-related benefits is better
than living and training at altitude

Source?

My understanding of the science says that living at high altitude would
be far better than just sleeping there or training there some of the time.

Your comments sound like you are just making something up....

No, the problem is that you can't train hard enough at altitude
to simulate racing. Living at altitude is great for endurance,
but not for speed and power. Google for "train low, sleep high"
for references.

http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/sports/altitude.html

_ Booker C. Bense

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"chester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Warren G said:

Jeff said:

This seems idiotic since these devices just simulate living at
altitude, which will always be legal.

Not quite. Living at altitude, and training there imposes some limits
on the training and probably on the recovery. Over the long term,
living and training at sea level, and then spending some time at
altitude each day/night for some altitude-related benefits is better
than living and training at altitude

Source?

My understanding of the science says that living at high altitude
would be far better than just sleeping there or training there some of
the time.

Your comments sound like you are just making something up....

Live high, train low.....

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16786355&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16822343&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum

Phil H

Phil Holman said:

"chester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Warren G said:

Jeff wrote:
> This seems idiotic since these devices just simulate living at
> altitude, which will always be legal.

Not quite. Living at altitude, and training there imposes some limits
on the training and probably on the recovery. Over the long term,
living and training at sea level, and then spending some time at
altitude each day/night for some altitude-related benefits is better
than living and training at altitude

Source?

My understanding of the science says that living at high altitude
would be far better than just sleeping there or training there some of
the time.

Your comments sound like you are just making something up....

Live high, train low.....

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16786355&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16822343&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum

Phil H

Nice links.
Here are some current links on the possible WADA ban.

To read what experts and athletes are saying see
www.altitudeforall.info

If you think that WADA should listen to what athletes actualy think is
fair see http://www.altitudeforall.info/athletes_letter.html

Yeah, Colombia, too. 😉

~bob
Columbia, MD

Quoted message said:

Will they start banning riders from high altitude locations such as
Columbia now too since it will give them an unfair advantage in the
mountains compared to the riders from lower altitudes?

Jeff said:

Start of the article on the NYT web site:

"Three of the top United States cyclists in this year's Tour de
France use a special method to enhance their performance, and it is
legal. They sleep in altitude tents or altitude rooms that simulate the
low-oxygen conditions of high altitude. This prompts the body to make
more oxygen-carrying red blood cells and can lead to improved
endurance.

The cyclists - Dave Zabriskie, George Hincapie and Levi Leipheimer
- are among the athletes featured on the Web site for Colorado
Altitude Training, which makes the tents, known as hypoxic devices.
Runners, triathletes, skiers, rowers and the Philadelphia Flyers are
among the elite athletes who espouse the virtues of the company's
altitude simulation products on the site.

But soon, the altitude tents and rooms may be banned by the World
Anti-Doping Agency, or WADA. The agency's ethics panel recently
determined that the tents and rooms violated "the spirit of sport."

The agency said it would reach a decision in September about whether to
include altitude tents and rooms on its List of Prohibited Substances
and Methods for 2007. "

Full article at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/26/sports/othersports/26altitude.html

This seems idiotic since these devices just simulate living at
altitude, which will always be legal.